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post #1276 of 18028

Is it bad to find that HE-500's sound a little low volume at 12-1 o'clock on the schiit lyr??

 

Thanks, 

 

Andy

 

Edit: Never mind, sounds plenty loud at 11 o'clock.

 

sounds amazing by the way.

 

I have not heard such clarity in the mids ever. Still a newbie to head-fi.


Edited by Mcberto - 5/10/12 at 1:32am
post #1277 of 18028

I'm so amazed how clear they sound.  I don't really know how to describe it.  It's like voices and instruments emerge from a pool of black liquid.

 

I think Fleetwood Mac's Rumours was made for this headphone.  The best sound I've ever heard, speakers or headphones.  The best part is that even compressed stuff sounds amazing as well.  I literally look at my music library and don't see anything they couldn't handle.  I've tried everything from Pantera to The Cardigans and it's like hearing it for the first time.  Pantera has a speed and clarity that I didn't think was possible, I love how everything sounds separated even when the music becomes frantic.  It's hard to hear all of the detail on only one play thru, I can play back the entire album again and still hear detail I missed the first time.

 

Okay I'll stop gushing now... tongue.gif


Edited by brokenthumb - 5/10/12 at 10:51am
post #1278 of 18028
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Originally Posted by brokenthumb View Post

I'm so amazed how clear they sound.  I don't really know how to describe it.  It's like voices and instruments emerge from a pool of black liquid.

 

I think Fleetwood Mac's Rumours was made for this headphone.  The best sound I've ever heard, speakers or headphones.  The best part is that even compressed stuff sounds amazing as well.  I literally look at my music library and don't see anything they couldn't handle.  I've tried everything from Pantera to The Cardigans and it's like hearing it for the first time.  Pantera has a speed and clarity that I didn't think was possible, I love how everything sounds separated even when the music becomes frantic.  It's hard to hear all of the detail on only one play thru, I can play back the entire album again and still hear detail I missed the first time.

 

Okay I'll stop gushing now... tongue.gif

If you think that's how it is, then try them with Bifrost + Lyr combo. I no longer have any desire to upgrade which is really rare on head-fi. That being said, I kind of want to try Decware Taboo and see how much of an improvement it has over the Lyr.

post #1279 of 18028
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If you think that's how it is, then try them with Bifrost + Lyr combo. I no longer have any desire to upgrade which is really rare on head-fi. That being said, I kind of want to try Decware Taboo and see how much of an improvement it has over the Lyr.


I still want to try the LCD-2 also.  I see you had them, why did you sell?

post #1280 of 18028

I've seen the comparisons of HE-500 to the HD650 here, but I've owned the HD650 twice and sold them each time because the HD600 were more natural and balanced sounding to me, with better detail.  In comparison to HD600 the HE-500 are more forward and less spacious than the HD600, but faster and more detailed, with more vibrant and life-like mids.  But both phones are pretty transparent and uncolored.  I would still pick the HE-500 over the HD600, which I prefer over the HD650, and I still think the HD600 are a great phone.

post #1281 of 18028

I prefer the HD650 over the HD600, yet the HE-500 is my fav. Personal preferences ;)
 

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I still want to try the LCD-2 also.  I see you had them, why did you sell?

The main reason was that I needed the money but now looking back I don't think I can say that I miss them. They reminded me of the HD650 too much (only better in all aspects) and I kind of hated the HD650 and I hadn't realized that until I tried Hifimans. And no I know that it's my fault that I didn't plug the HD650 uber headphone amps, sorry I can't invest that much in headphones like them. To my ears, I even liked the K701 better than HD650. For me LCD-2 had the best bass I've ever heard on a pair of headphones but its dark sound signature and weighing like a fat cow on my head didn't make me fall in love with them like many people have hereBut I'm curious about the LCD-2 Rev.2. As of now, I'm quite happy with my two Hifimans (HE-5 and HE-500)

post #1283 of 18028
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Originally Posted by Yuceka View Post

 For me LCD-2 had the best bass I've ever heard on a pair of headphones but its dark sound signature and weighing like a fat cow on my head didn't make me fall in love with them like many people have hereBut I'm curious about the LCD-2 Rev.2. As of now, I'm quite happy with my two Hifimans (HE-5 and HE-500)

 

The HE-500 is just as fat a cow as the Audeze Rev 1, possibly fatter.  I've measured it to be 550 grams (with velour pads).  Hifimans stated specification for weight is way out.  Impedance can wildly vary too.

post #1284 of 18028

Mine measure 539 grams with the leather type pads and cables attached.

post #1285 of 18028

Calibration of your kitchen scale the next preventive maintenance to do, maybe.

post #1286 of 18028
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Calibration of your kitchen scale the next preventive maintenance to do, maybe.

 

Okay, if you insist.  But only after I've had some orange juice wink_face.gif

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKTSaezB4p8

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I thought these now came with a 1/8" cord and 1/4" adapter.  Mine has a 1/4" terminated cord with no adapter.  Doesn't matter b/c I only use a 1/4".

post #1288 of 18028
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Originally Posted by brokenthumb View Post

 

 

Your English seems perfectly fine to me.  Thanks for that explanation.

 

 

I decided to listen to the HD650 after listening to the HE-500 all day.  Here is what I found (my HD650 is the silver screen version):

 

These headphones are really close sounding imo.

 

The HD650 is a touch warmer but it has more energy and dynamics to me.  I was wrong about the bass also, to me the HD650 goes just as deep as the HE-500.  The mids seem to be about the same with the HD650 being slightly more forward.  The HD650 have all the details in the highs as well but the HE-500 seems a little brighter here.  They are very close sounding to my ears.

 

It seems that on really crappy recordings the HD650 sounds okay and the HE-500 sounds really good.  On high quality recordings with a lot of dynamic range the HE-500 still sounds really good but the HD650 sound incredible with more detail and dynamic range.  The HE-500 seems to smooth over the sound on everything.

 

HD650's soundstage seems wider and more out of the head as well.  The HE-500 is more Grado like in the soundstage department.

 

HE-500's comfort is okay for about an hour but anything beyond that my lower neck starts aching.  I can change to the HD650 and listen all night if I wanted with no problem.

 

I need to do more listening for sure but if I had to choose at the moment I would keep the HD650 over the HE-500.

 

 

This is almost exactly how I felt when I first got my HE-500 and compared to the HD-650.  After a couple of days, I started to like the he500 better and better.  Ultimately what made me sell the HD-650 was the fact that I found the HE-500 to be a bit quicker--not as muddy in some of the upper bass range, and I enjoyed its highs.  I also found the he500 less fatiguing on the ears, and sounded good with everything--and made lower quality music sound better (compared to 650).  

 

Another reason I liked the 650 alittle better at first was because I liked its airy soundstage/soundsignature.  Once I gotr used to the he500 though, i liked them better.  

 

I got these impressions using the NFB-12 as the amp/DAC.  I sold the hd-650 before I got my bifrost/lyr, but after upgrading, the he500 did sound better--soundstage opened up more.

 

Maybe an upgrade in the amp/DAC might improve your experience with the he500  

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Originally Posted by brokenthumb View Post

 

 

Your English seems perfectly fine to me.  Thanks for that explanation.

 

 

I decided to listen to the HD650 after listening to the HE-500 all day.  Here is what I found (my HD650 is the silver screen version):

 

These headphones are really close sounding imo.

 

The HD650 is a touch warmer but it has more energy and dynamics to me.  I was wrong about the bass also, to me the HD650 goes just as deep as the HE-500.  The mids seem to be about the same with the HD650 being slightly more forward.  The HD650 have all the details in the highs as well but the HE-500 seems a little brighter here.  They are very close sounding to my ears.

 

It seems that on really crappy recordings the HD650 sounds okay and the HE-500 sounds really good.  On high quality recordings with a lot of dynamic range the HE-500 still sounds really good but the HD650 sound incredible with more detail and dynamic range.  The HE-500 seems to smooth over the sound on everything.

 

HD650's soundstage seems wider and more out of the head as well.  The HE-500 is more Grado like in the soundstage department.

 

HE-500's comfort is okay for about an hour but anything beyond that my lower neck starts aching.  I can change to the HD650 and listen all night if I wanted with no problem.

 

I need to do more listening for sure but if I had to choose at the moment I would keep the HD650 over the HE-500.

 

That has been my experience with the two as well - I prefer the "new version" HD650's.

 

But... that is because... I've mated them with amps and sources that match their electrical requirements (high voltage output amps) - which makes all the difference in how they sound.  With the right amp... they have all the detail, clarity, dynamics and soundstage of the best phones.  

 

I've found the same is true of ATH's, Denons and Grados - they don't sound right... until they're mated with high current output amps.  But... when they are, they sound superb - also equal to the best phones.  I can assure you that the AD2000's driven by the Red Wine Audio Isabellina HPA is about as good as it gets with any phones and set up - very likely the equivalent of anybody's "end game" sound quality.  Yet, the Senns driven by the same amp... will impress no one.  While the MD-5000's driven by the Isabellina sound superb... and... virtually identical to the AD2000's.  

 

I've never heard the HE-500's with a properly matched amp and source - only with the HifiMan EF-5... which likely explains why I was not impressed by them.

 

I'm convinced that the reason so many are critical of one set of phones, or another... is... they never hear them with a well matched set up (sufficient voltage output, or sufficient current output) to match their respective electrical requirements.  Proper matching of the phones to the amp and source makes all the difference... and... it is rare that any one amp that matches low impedence, sensitive phones well (high current output required)... will also match high impedence, less sensitive phones well (high voltage output required).  When properly matched... many phones sound almost identical.  So... I've learned to discount a lot of such critical observations about Senns, or Grados, or Denons, or whatever phones, because I think many, if not most, have never heard such phones properly driven - which explains why so many opinions are so contradictory.  


Edited by Gradofan2 - 5/11/12 at 10:16pm
post #1290 of 18028

Just so everyone knows, I now prefer the HE-500 over the HD650.  I thought I would never say that when I got them Tuesday.  Going back to the HD650 a few hours ago  was eye opening after listening to the HE-500 for 3 straight days.  I think my brain was rejecting the HE-500 sound from listening to the HD650 for so many months before.  Anyone who buys the HE-500 does need to give at least 20 hours or more of head time to really start appreciating them.

 

The HE-500 is clearly a level above the HD650 on all aspects except soundstage width and physical weight of the headphone.  The HE-500's soundstage is more 3-d like and almost as wide as the HD650.

 

The HE-500 is much faster and keeps the music separated so you can follow individual instruments better.  The bass is also deeper and tighter on the HE-500 and slams a bit harder.  The HD650 have excellent mids but the HE-500s mids are to die for, the complete lack of grain and speed makes them seem so lifelike.  The HE-500 wins hands down on the highs and they manage this while not being fatiguing at all.

 

I would describe the HE-500 as a HD650 with more resolution, much faster (very noticeable when switching back), deeper bass extension, extended highs while remaining non-fatiguing (these are amazing), and the best mids I've ever heard.  The HE-500 also eliminates that HD650 bass hump that always bothered me.  The HE-500 is the closest headphone I've heard that comes to neutral in sound.  I'm sure they probably sound like a HD600 on steroids.

 

The HD650 is an amazing headphone though.  I would say they are around 90% of the HE-500.  It's that last 10% though that makes the HE-500 really special.

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