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post #12511 of 18029
That is an absolute steal. I'm not even kidding.
post #12512 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

That is an absolute steal. I'm not even kidding.
 

 

I am sorry but I find it kinda hard to trust such opinions. Are the HE-500 twice as good as headphones costing half as much meaning 200-300$. I doubt they are even though I have not heard them. And remember HE-500 started being sold at what price, 900$? Imo  buying them at such price was a steal, only the other way around.

 

Now don't take this comment specifically for the HE-500, which from what I 've read seems to be a great heaphone, but also for other headphones at the same price-performance ratio.

post #12513 of 18029
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Originally Posted by D4rkst3EL View Post

I am sorry but I find it kinda hard to trust such opinions. Are the HE-500 twice as good as headphones costing half as much meaning 200-300$. I doubt they are even though I have not heard them. And remember HE-500 started being sold at what price, 900$? Imo  buying them at such price was a steal, only the other way around.

Now don't take this comment specifically for the HE-500, which from what I 've read seems to be a great heaphone, but also for other headphones at the same price-performance ratio.
if you are expecting the same price to performance ratio as headphones go up in price your expectations are too high. And that applies to nearly everything luxury in life. Is a Rolex 10x the watch as a Casio? Is a BMW twice a Honda? It isn't about the level of better, it's about it being better. For me as a jazz and classical enthusiast, I know what the music should sound like, and I'm willing to pay more to get as close to real as possible.

Besides the fact that there isn't a quantifiable metric of sound quality by which you can make a comparison of twice as good.

I paid $700 for my he-500 over a year ago and that was already an amazing deal, they retailed initially at $900 because honestly, that is the level of performance you're getting. Considering myself and others would slot the 500 above the lcd2, getting one for $5-600 is a serious, serious deal.
post #12514 of 18029
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Originally Posted by D4rkst3EL View Post
 

 

I am sorry but I find it kinda hard to trust such opinions. Are the HE-500 twice as good as headphones costing half as much meaning 200-300$. I doubt they are even though I have not heard them. And remember HE-500 started being sold at what price, 900$? Imo  buying them at such price was a steal, only the other way around.

 

Now don't take this comment specifically for the HE-500, which from what I 've read seems to be a great heaphone, but also for other headphones at the same price-performance ratio.

 

I have been unable to listen to $200-300 headphones since I got my HE-500s for $700. Now that I think of it, I wouldn't have minded paying $900 for them. Once I got the HE-500, my previous Grado RS1i never even made it back on my head and they cost the same as the HE-500.

 

Have you also researched and noticed how many people actually prefer these to the Sennheiser HD800? How many top tier level headphones have you seen around offered for that price? Nimzerz is 110% on the money and then some more.


Edited by daerron - 2/24/14 at 7:06am
post #12515 of 18029
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Originally Posted by D4rkst3EL View Post

I am sorry but I find it kinda hard to trust such opinions. Are the HE-500 twice as good as headphones costing half as much meaning 200-300$. I doubt they are even though I have not heard them. And remember HE-500 started being sold at what price, 900$? Imo  buying them at such price was a steal, only the other way around.

Now don't take this comment specifically for the HE-500, which from what I 've read seems to be a great heaphone, but also for other headphones at the same price-performance ratio.
You came to the wrong thread, my friend.
post #12516 of 18029
I just don't see that post as constructive at all...
post #12517 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post

if you are expecting the same price to performance ratio as headphones go up in price your expectations are too high. And that applies to nearly everything luxury in life. Is a Rolex 10x the watch as a Casio? Is a BMW twice a Honda? It isn't about the level of better, it's about it being better. For me as a jazz and classical enthusiast, I know what the music should sound like, and I'm willing to pay more to get as close to real as possible.

Besides the fact that there isn't a quantifiable metric of sound quality by which you can make a comparison of twice as good.

I paid $700 for my he-500 over a year ago and that was already an amazing deal, they retailed initially at $900 because honestly, that is the level of performance you're getting. Considering myself and others would slot the 500 above the lcd2, getting one for $5-600 is a serious, serious deal.
Right, diminishing returns just like in most any product category. However in the particular case mentioned above, is the 500 (being sold at $470) two times better than a headphone that costs $235? IMHO, yes.
post #12518 of 18029
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Originally Posted by D4rkst3EL View Post
 

 

I am sorry but I find it kinda hard to trust such opinions. Are the HE-500 twice as good as headphones costing half as much meaning 200-300$. I doubt they are even though I have not heard them. And remember HE-500 started being sold at what price, 900$? Imo  buying them at such price was a steal, only the other way around.

 

Now don't take this comment specifically for the HE-500, which from what I 've read seems to be a great heaphone, but also for other headphones at the same price-performance ratio.

The HE-500's only provide a sense of refinement compared to just about everything else underneath. You could mess around for a little while and search for the perfect mid-tier headphone, but I've come to find that cans within a specific price range don't really differ much in terms of overall performance (although they each have their own quirks and whatnot). Most of the time, you'll find yourself spending hundreds just to have that little extra sense of air or clarity within a good pair headphones. But if there's one thing that I can guarantee, for $470; a pair of HE-500's are an absolute steal, especially considering the price they cost when first released.

post #12519 of 18029
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Originally Posted by D4rkst3EL View Post

I am sorry but I find it kinda hard to trust such opinions. Are the HE-500 twice as good as headphones costing half as much meaning 200-300$. I doubt they are even though I have not heard them. And remember HE-500 started being sold at what price, 900$? Imo  buying them at such price was a steal, only the other way around.

Now don't take this comment specifically for the HE-500, which from what I 've read seems to be a great heaphone, but also for other headphones at the same price-performance ratio.

Hear them first
Then come back here to post your opinion biggrin.gif
post #12520 of 18029
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post


Right, diminishing returns just like in most any product category. However in the particular case mentioned above, is the 500 (being sold at $470) two times better than a headphone that costs $235? IMHO, yes.


ethan7000...i think ur wrong..ofcourse the he500 is not worth the difference if u just look at the perfomance-price ratio compared to lets ssay a sennheiser of 235usd... but thats normal! its same thing when u start comparing a summit phone with the he500...same thing..is that for instance 2000usd phone worth the more then double the price of the he500 ? ofcourse not! we all know that!! but it does things so much better then the he500 and thats why we buy it... :D same thing with he500...

 

and i have to agree...470usd is good deal...although the prices of NEW he500 are getting lower and lower because if the 560 and 400 that are arriving!!!

post #12521 of 18029
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Originally Posted by D4rkst3EL View Post
 

 

I am sorry but I find it kinda hard to trust such opinions. Are the HE-500 twice as good as headphones costing half as much meaning 200-300$. I doubt they are even though I have not heard them. And remember HE-500 started being sold at what price, 900$? Imo  buying them at such price was a steal, only the other way around.

 

Now don't take this comment specifically for the HE-500, which from what I 've read seems to be a great heaphone, but also for other headphones at the same price-performance ratio.

A similar headphone in that price range could be the Senn HD600 (well, a used one) but it still falls short in some technical areas, and you need at least a Bottlehead Crack or similar well paired amp to get the best out of it really.  When you get to the $200-$300 range (of reasonable, well renowned headphones aka no Beats:p), no higher end headphone is going to be twice as good IMO.  They're going to be better, yes...and some will be better in all aspects, but not twice as good as I've experienced.  For example, the SR-009 is certainly not twice as good as the HE-500, or 8x as good as it's price may indicate.  People will certainly rave about it and lead you to believe that the price is warranted, and for them clearly it was.  FWIW I got to audition the HE-500 next to quite a few flagships when I first heard them, on quite a few nice setups, and I still chose them not only for their incredible price to performance ratio, but  because they sounded the best to me for what I was after.  It's really hard to beat their value, and it certainly has it's merits over others even out of the most modest of rigs.  They may not 'scale' as much as an HD600, but the consensus is that you need a more pricey setup to attain the very best from them.  The HE-500 sounds great even out of a low power DAP compared to the HD600.  Some certainly will find the price tag worth it for higher end headphones, given that all these crazy expensive flagships are selling well enough to continue production...and that's fine.  Personally anything beyond $1000 is crazy to me, but after trying things like the LCD-3, HD800, and higher end Stax I can see why people would pursue them.  There are certain aspects of the sound reproduction that other headphones just can't achieve...but you give up other things at the same time.  Some critical listeners value certain aspects over others, and depending on what combination they're after...there is a can for them.  The thing to understand is there are trade-offs in every headphone, even flagships.  This thread is infinitely helpful: http://www.head-fi.org/t/220770/describing-sound-a-glossary#post_2673350

 

Also, this is essentially a fan thread, so of course we're going to be raving about the glorious HE-500 :cool: My advice would be to try to find a place to demo them, either a local shop or meet-up, alongside other options of various price ranges and judge it for yourself.  Honestly, if I couldn't justify the price next to something like the HD600, those would be the cans I'd have right now...but I felt it was worth it personally.


Edited by modulor - 2/24/14 at 7:34am
post #12522 of 18029

@Nimzerz

I am pretty sure the HE-500 is an excellent headphone. And I don't think I am on the wrong thread my friend, because these threads(not just the HE-500 one) are not just for praising and justifying paying hundreds of dollars on headphones that many a times are flawed even(not good sounding, bad comfort/heavy, ugly,etc).

 

@headphonatic

Now for 470 it seems indeed a very good deal, I guess you are talking about a used pair(like MajoMax's) cause I haven't seen any new at such price.

 

Thanks for your kind input modulor, and the rest

 

Cheers


Edited by D4rkst3EL - 2/24/14 at 7:46am
post #12523 of 18029
Clearly you have no humor, or don't understand my point. Modulor just made my statement more clear. This thread is going to praise the he-500...why come here and make such a statement and not expect such a response?

Used, like-new
post #12524 of 18029
Fwiw, I pay more than an hd800 every year for my subscription to the Houston symphony redface.gif so the he-500 is a good deal for giving me sonically a very close approximation of live, and really I go to the orchestra to hear different interpretations of pieces and pieces that are not yet commercially available, not even for SQ.
post #12525 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Ultramus View Post

Fwiw, I pay more than an hd800 every year for my subscription to the Houston symphony redface.gif so the he-500 is a good deal for giving me sonically a very close approximation of live, and really I go to the orchestra to hear different interpretations of pieces and pieces that are not yet commercially available, not even for SQ.

I'm a big fan of live music of a variety of types, which I think is one big reason why I like the HE-500 so much.

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