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Power alone is not holy... Anyone checky the powersupply capacity? I saw that their TOTL headphone amp..the precision 1 only has a capacity of 45.000uF.. And thats for 2x16w into 40ohm (ACCORDING TO THEM).. Thats peanuts if u see the capacity of my ONLY REAL and realtime meassured 5,28w into 50ohm..my amp has 650.000uF! Thats more then a hundreds time the capacity of an amp being offically 3times more powerfull... I wonder whats more important.. Only power or the means to use that power? (reserves in capacitance).. ..

View the video I put a link for on the previous page. And don't hate me. ;)

post #12422 of 14235

Hi guys, I've just ordered the original HE-6 OCC balanced copper cable at the end of January for my HE-500 (replace that stiff silver plated cable which annoys me to no end) which finally arrived today. I found that they have changed from a clear sleeve to a black sleeve, does anybody knows is HiFiMan actually improving the cable for the upcoming HE560 and 400i or it's just aesthetic changes? 

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Ur sure??? blink.gif


I am.

post #12424 of 14235
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Originally Posted by Chik0240 View Post
 

Hi guys, I've just ordered the original HE-6 OCC balanced copper cable at the end of January for my HE-500 (replace that stiff silver plated cable which annoys me to no end) which finally arrived today. I found that they have changed from a clear sleeve to a black sleeve, does anybody knows is HiFiMan actually improving the cable for the upcoming HE560 and 400i or it's just aesthetic changes? 

SQ will not be affected, unless they screw up. If they can make the cable more flexible and get rid of the microphonics, that would be welcome.

post #12425 of 14235
Thanks guys for the suggestions. The Audio GD models are looking good right now. Is there any advantage if going balanced? I saw someone say that balanced and single ended were very similar on the NFB 10.
post #12426 of 14235
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Power alone is not holy... Anyone checkt the powersupply capacity? I saw that their TOTL headphone amp..the precision 1 only has a capacity of 45.000uF (and they say it as if its HUGE amount..lolz).. And thats for 2x16w into 40ohm (ACCORDING TO THEM) amp..
. Thats peanuts if u see the capacity of my realtime meassured only 5,28watts into 50ohm..my amp has 650.000uF! Thats more then a hundreds time the capacity of an amp being offically 3times more powerfull... I wonder whats more important.. Only power or the means to use that power? (reserves in capacitance).. ..

I was talking to the poster that was questioning whether it had enough power for the HE-500s, which it does.

 

As far as capacitance, I'm fairly certain it is not particularly important in amplifier design, otherwise it'd be an bigger deal in high end amps :p

post #12427 of 14235
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

View the video I put a link for on the previous page. And don't hate me. ;)


i dont hate u.NEVER...but this is just as much brainwashing as u think people like me are brainwashed in buying expensive stuff..

did u see only dolby digital laboratories people were talking? and u know they sell their products on base of just special effects and not based on audiophile quality right? ever see the amps that have their approved brand on them? they cost multi thousands of dollars!! why is that if they say that cheap stuff can do the same? i never ever saw a 400 usd multichannel receiver have their higher quality DTS or any other "approved" brand on them..pls explain that... i think this is just as wrong as me thinking that cables and better amps do gve u better listening experiences...or else every professional would use 120 usd amping for their stuff... or not using their 1200usd worth of in-ears when playing! they could just buy a 120usd bose in-ear and have same sound according to the 'professionals' here on this clip... this clip is just as colored as people saying that elevating ur cables from the floor with footies does improve the sound... and the examples they gave as just rediculous!! people who believe that are just stupid! seriously..stones????? and its even more stupid to use those kind of examples to make ur point...

so i think this clip doesnt help in changing anybody buying a cheap amp instead of a good one... if u wanna go into measurements...capacity of 650.000uF is MEASSURED and also the 5,28W into 50ohm... its wellknown that budget brands only tell half-truths about the real watts of their budget models... and seriously..did u check the pic of that audiogd amp? its said to have 2x16watts into 40ohm..BUT the transformer is smaller then my amp only pumping 5watts into 50ohm.and only 3,5KG??.my amp weighs at least 10kg ONLY for the main amp itself...the PSU is even heavier as it has the transformer and capacitators in it...how u explain that?

 

so no..am not angry with u..but am a bit disapointed that u believe those people blindly and use it to make ur point..they are dolby digital laboratories people for gods sake!! they dont give **** about soundquality..only about surround effects and how to transfer those effects into ur room as cool as possible!!  there is nothing bad in that ofcourse..but still..ever seen a budget amp branded with their latest DTS (or whatever new thingie they came up with) system? i can only see amps/receivers costing more then 2000usd having that...now u explain me...why is that?

for me this is just another sales pitch put in a technical sauce...and i didndt even see ONE single builder of audio...NOT ONE...not even emotiva..doesnt they have the same kind of specialists on board also? and it was funny that on one scene they show what kind of equipment u can test everything out...to REALLY see what kind of distortion is on equipment...well i am not an engineer..but at least 3 components looked very much the same as the equipment that were on the pics of my amp...the equipment that was used to testdrive my amp for at least 2 WEEKS 24/7 with listening tests! yes two weeks... they dont built and test it mechanically for a few seconds and then put a box around it to put it for sale.(a thing all budget brands do actually!!)

 

as i said...dont always believe what people say..not even techies!!  those techies could be Monster (the brand) people or BOSE also..as those tend to say the same..

oh well...okay..i give up

 

but to make u happy....i will sell my code-x and my blue circle, my cables etc. and buy myself a lepai amp of 20usd and a 40usd sennheiser foldable HP...as everything above that is just a waste of money according to this clip... thanks...u saved me a fortune.. :D and my wife will be happy also as i now can buy her a good condition second hand Mini Cooper now she is bugging me about for months now....  :wink_face: 


Edited by hifimanrookie - 2/22/14 at 1:18pm
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gone..wow...am flying now..

:D

 

 


Edited by hifimanrookie - 2/22/14 at 7:07pm
post #12429 of 14235
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The precision 1 has a 450W transformer, how big is the one in the amp you are building? And noone is saying expensive stuff isn't better, what we are saying is that there is a LOT more to amplifiers than capacitance, and things like cables, footies, racks, affect the SQ infinitely less than components do, if they affect it at all.

 

I really don't think you can put down other amplifiers until you have heard them, the CA Liquid Gold has only 35.000 uF of capacitance,and it's considered one of the very best SS amps available, I've heard it personally and it sounded stellar, though outside my price range. I don't expect to get the same SQ out of a 1400usd amp, but I know I'll get maybe 90% or more. I feel like you may be drinking the blue circle koolaid a bit too heavily.

post #12430 of 14235

am in heaven now..pills work great...am seeing fluffy bunnies now  

:D

 

 


Edited by hifimanrookie - 2/22/14 at 7:07pm
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maybe i am...  ;) but as someone tells over and over again..maybe when u heard the cavalli it was all about the infamous placebo effect also..u EXPECTED to be better..so it was? just stick to a 150usd amp and think its better..and it will be better sounding :veryevil:

but u cant compare the cavalli to my amp..as a standard cavalli gold is almost 7000usd expensive..mine is much cheaper.. ;)

 

as who says u wont get the same SQ from a 1400usd amp? ever tried one? and compared it to the cavalli? u see ur just as biassed as i am..thats human... and i am glad we are..

 

we are all different... and as i said before..when i have my new amp i will be trying to visit as much meetings as possible in europe..i  promised the amp- and the headphone builder to do that...and i keep my promise..and in the process people can listen to my rig and then decide if uF is important or not for dynamics and soundquality in music... no matter how much BC fumes i inhaled until now :D 

 

and about cavalli.. u pay a BIG part for the estethics!! they look heavenly..i absolutely love their extreme classy and expensive looks!..and that cost a fortune..BC dont care about esthetics a lot..only when the customer wants it they do something special..they even make amps into a PVC tube..and in so they are cheaper then their competitors.lolz

Actually I went in thinking it wouldn't sound any better than any other amplifier, I compared it directly against the Schiit Mjolnir, both through balanced outs, and it DID sound a little bit better, maybe only slightly, and the MJ sounded WAY better than my current amp, which is why I have one arriving this tuesday :D  In all honesty I liked the Liquid Cobalt prototype the best of the amps I heard, the WA6 was really nice as well.

post #12432 of 14235

Hifi:

  Firstly what I like about you is that you don't get angry and lash out. No, I'm not brainwashed by anyone. Please don't use a Lepai amp as an example, once you start rotating the volume knob it ramps up the distortion to unacceptable levels. The guys (Marketing geeks) at Bose and Monster are selling snake oil, an example that is not in scope of this discussion. The folks at Dolby truly understand how human perception and design equipment that targets the consumer, that is their goal, they are not interested in people seeking great sound like us. We will squable about small details that are important to us, they are trying, for business purposes, to impress Fred Bloggs the consumer into buying their stuff by blasting bass and making them feel like they're in the Grand Canyon. They use technology to sell products that we are not interested in. Again that doesn't mean they do not know their Schiit (avoiding the use of spelling that will get a bot onto me).

 

Oh, I would definetly not opt for that cheap pair of Sennheiser foldable cans. Remember I always say that good cans make more of a difference than anything, assuming that anything isn't crap.

 

I stand by what I say, if you take two amps that have a flat FR, with distortion below what a human can percieve (which is easy to accomplish, not by Lepai), that can properly drive your cans set them to the same SPL and have them switched by another person (without your knowledge) you will not be able to tell the difference. The human dynamics of expectaion bias, suggestion, etc blah blah are overwhelming and difficult to keep under wraps.

 

I think the biigest difference in amps are for those seeking the "tube sound" and know how get the proper amp and roll the right tubes to get the right amount of even order harmonic distortion. Ths is something that done correctly can be percieved and sound nice. Even though I like it, I prefer the pure clean sound of SS.

 

Nonetheless I expect that you will thoroughly enjoy your amp, when it finally arrives, as it will be excellent and you are also looking for a total package incuding aestheic value.

 

Once your wife sees the bill, she will be expecting much more than the Mini-Cooper.

 

Oops, my wife just showed up, demanding that I take her out to dinner. :eek: She is starting to annoy me, I'm trying to convince her to go Vietnamese, she wants Indian. You know that we're going Indian. :rolleyes: And you'll be looking to get your wife a Lexus or whatever it is that she wants.

 

I used to design Instrumentation Amps and Integrating A/D converters that measured the stress and strain on bending metal using strain gauges with signals down to 125 nV (Nano Volts that's 10-9 Volts as in Billionths) accurate to 1/2 Bit accross 18 Bits. Thsi was not using off the shelf chips, but designs using expensive discrete components (monolythic transistor pairs), FET switches and fancy opamps. I am not tricked by tech talk.

 

Now if I don't get moving, she's gonna hit me over the head with my HE-500's and as we all know they are heavy enough to do some serious damage.

post #12433 of 14235
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Hifi:

  Firstly what I like about you is that you don't get angry and lash out. No, I'm not brainwashed by anyone. Please don't use a Lepai amp as an example, once you start rotating the volume knob it ramps up the distortion to unacceptable levels. The guys (Marketing geeks) at Bose and Monster are selling snake oil, an example that is not in scope of this discussion. The folks at Dolby truly understand how human perception and design equipment that targets the consumer, that is their goal, they are not interested in people seeking great sound like us. We will squable about small details that are important to us, they are trying, for business purposes, to impress Fred Bloggs the consumer into buying their stuff by blasting bass and making them feel like they're in the Grand Canyon. They use technology to sell products that we are not interested in. Again that doesn't mean they do not know their Schiit (avoiding the use of spelling that will get a bot onto me).

 

Oh, I would definetly not opt for that cheap pair of Sennheiser foldable cans. Remember I always say that good cans make more of a difference than anything, assuming that anything isn't crap.

 

I stand by what I say, if you take two amps that have a flat FR, with distortion below what a human can percieve (which is easy to accomplish, not by Lepai), that can properly drive your cans set them to the same SPL and have them switched by another person (without your knowledge) you will not be able to tell the difference. The human dynamics of expectaion bias, suggestion, etc blah blah are overwhelming and difficult to keep under wraps.

 

I think the biigest difference in amps are for those seeking the "tube sound" and know how get the proper amp and roll the right tubes to get the right amount of even order harmonic distortion. Ths is something that done correctly can be percieved and sound nice. Even though I like it, I prefer the pure clean sound of SS.

 

Nonetheless I expect that you will thoroughly enjoy your amp, when it finally arrives, as it will be excellent and you are also looking for a total package incuding aestheic value.

 

Once your wife sees the bill, she will be expecting much more than the Mini-Cooper.

 

Oops, my wife just showed up, demanding that I take her out to dinner. :eek: She is starting to annoy me, I'm trying to convince her to go Vietnamese, she wants Indian. You know that we're going Indian. :rolleyes: And you'll be looking to get your wife a Lexus or whatever it is that she wants.

 

I used to design Instrumentation Amps and Integrating A/D converters that measured the stress and strain on bending metal using strain gauges with signals down to 125 nV (Nano Volts that's 10-9 Volts as in Billionths) accurate to 1/2 Bit accross 18 Bits. Thsi was not using off the shelf chips, but designs using expensive discrete components (monolythic transistor pairs), FET switches and fancy opamps. I am not tricked by tech talk.

 

Now if I don't get moving, she's gonna hit me over the head with my HE-500's and as we all know they are heavy enough to do some serious damage.

In your opinion, what makes the biggest difference in SQ besides transducer? I honestly wasn't expecting the audible difference I found switching from the DAC on the ef2a to the NFB 1.32, but it was clear, and that was with constant, thorough comparisons on the same songs and through the same amplifier at the same SPL by myself and several others, I didn't expect to see any difference. I'm wondering then if the DAC has a greater degree of difference than amp, I always thought transducer>amp>dac and I have heard many amps that I thought sounded different, with ones that I preferred, that difference was honestly harder to tell, and I didn't get as thorough a comparison as I did myself with my own rig.

post #12434 of 14235
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

Hifi:
  Firstly what I like about you is that you don't get angry and lash out. No, I'm not brainwashed by anyone. Please don't use a Lepai amp as an example, once you start rotating the volume knob it ramps up the distortion to unacceptable levels. The guys (Marketing geeks) at Bose and Monster are selling snake oil, an example that is not in scope of this discussion. The folks at Dolby truly understand how human perception and design equipment that targets the consumer, that is their goal, they are not interested in people seeking great sound like us. We will squable about small details that are important to us, they are trying, for business purposes, to impress Fred Bloggs the consumer into buying their stuff by blasting bass and making them feel like they're in the Grand Canyon. They use technology to sell products that we are not interested in. Again that doesn't mean they do not know their Schiit (avoiding the use of spelling that will get a bot onto me).

Oh, I would definetly not opt for that cheap pair of Sennheiser foldable cans. Remember I always say that good cans make more of a difference than anything, assuming that anything isn't crap.

I stand by what I say, if you take two amps that have a flat FR, with distortion below what a human can percieve (which is easy to accomplish, not by Lepai), that can properly drive your cans set them to the same SPL and have them switched by another person (without your knowledge) you will not be able to tell the difference. The human dynamics of expectaion bias, suggestion, etc blah blah are overwhelming and difficult to keep under wraps.

I think the biigest difference in amps are for those seeking the "tube sound" and know how get the proper amp and roll the right tubes to get the right amount of even order harmonic distortion. Ths is something that done correctly can be percieved and sound nice. Even though I like it, I prefer the pure clean sound of SS.

Nonetheless I expect that you will thoroughly enjoy your amp, when it finally arrives, as it will be excellent and you are also looking for a total package incuding aestheic value.

Once your wife sees the bill, she will be expecting much more than the Mini-Cooper.

Oops, my wife just showed up, demanding that I take her out to dinner. eek.gif  She is starting to annoy me, I'm trying to convince her to go Vietnamese, she wants Indian. You know that we're going Indian. rolleyes.gif  And you'll be looking to get your wife a Lexus or whatever it is that she wants.

I used to design Instrumentation Amps and Integrating A/D converters that measured the stress and strain on bending metal using strain gauges with signals down to 125 nV (Nano Volts that's 10-9 Volts as in Billionths) accurate to 1/2 Bit accross 18 Bits. Thsi was not using off the shelf chips, but designs using expensive discrete components (monolythic transistor pairs), FET switches and fancy opamps. I am not tricked by tech talk.

Now if I don't get moving, she's gonna hit me over the head with my HE-500's and as we all know they are heavy enough to do some serious damage.
I understand what ur trying to say....and i respect that..and ur right.. tongue.gif
And Yep u better get moving..put on ur best smile and compliment her on her new shoes or bag she is going to take with her to the indian restaurant..just to be on the safe side.. Have fun and enjoy ur dinner!!!
A lexus? Ru nuts? She likes sporty small cars..like a fiat 500 abarth or a mini cooper.. Small cars who are expensive and dont have any boot to put anything in..just showoff cars.. tongue.gif
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I doubt it's powerful enough..?
The NFB 28 delivers 8w @ 40 ohms, the HE-500s are 38 ohms. That is MORE than enough power.
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