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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Cables and vibration feet are different topics.

Comparing microphone cables which are for higher gain, higher impedance circuits is not the same as headphones are lower impedance, not high gain and cables for cans do not need such shielding or very low capacitance. IMO, as an example, speaker wire will sound just as good as expensive headphone cables, sans placebo effects. That said, if one enjoys fancy cables, go for it. I'm here to balance the scales (not balanced cables), just say'in. :D

 

 

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what balance? that u love shiit amps? and that everything that costs a bit more then what they pump out is not done? u dont even try to have an open mind..like i did...i went from very affordable but still good stuff to what i have now and will get soon something very special.....

 

i have always been open to new stuff (also in my two other hobbies being improving cars and building extreme PC's) ..thats why i came across blue circle and hifiman (in the past) and toxic cables...if i would be like u (or sound like u)...burning down every other opinion then urs with the suggestion u do it for the greater good (quoting u: balancing the scales)...

i have a VERY long history with higher end quality speaker stuff of the likes of luxman and some other smaller higher end brands...and i only went to headphone stuff because i became daddy...that was only because i forced myself to have an open mind, as i was very biassed about headphones before that...i always thought they were rubbish in portraying the heart of the music as they were on ur ears..but i changed my opinion...and how i changed it! :D i sold all my speaker rig 10 years ago..and never looked back :D

 

so although i believe what ur trying to do..showing that inexpensive stuff can give u a good listening experience, its not about balancing the scales...its how u believe it has to be...leaning on ur own experiences and ur own rig... i think we all do that...in a way... i try to keep myself a bit open towards budget stuff lately as i see that people with lower budget still need a good amp for their he500...so i respect that deeply...and i will never try to even the scales because i believe that investing in the RIGHT COMPONENTS for ur rig does contribute to a better listening experience..u do urself short if u dont at least try it...just to compare the change...as always..more money doenst mean better sound...its all about getting the best balance in ur rig...a thing i learned on the hard way with my car hobby..... and in that case it did hurt badly..litererarely... :D

 

but i think as long headfi exists this discussion exists...and it will always exist...as most of us dont have a unlimited budget to find that blissful rig...so we keep on balancing the scales on debates like this... :D

 

but i do love u...in a non gayish way ofcourse. :gs1000smile:.as u have the same kind of passion as i have for what u believe in..and i can only respect that!

There you go again with analogies from amps to lifestyle. :D OK, we all love each other in a non-gayish manner.

Cables and amps are different stories.

To me there is nothing in cables that will improve the sound, other than imagination. Aesthetics and possible comfort issues, I can believe in that and the cost basis is a personal thing.

Amps, well I prefer a clean sound, some will paint that  with the 'Analytical ' label. That either puts me in the SS camp or pure tube big dollar category. As you already know I'm not a fan of adding even order harmonic distortion or the "Warm" sound, hence the only tubes amps I like, sound like a good SS Amp. IMO once you can drive cans beyond earsplitting levels with enough headroom, you don't need more power as there is nothing to be gained from that. Once you reach a low enough level of distortion that no human being can possibly perceive there is nothing to be gained from further improvements, other than playing with Lab equipment and enjoying bragging rights. Of course the human aspect of once you've spent the money, you better enjoy it and let the imagination loose. :D  But as I always say, if someone wants to spend more and they enjoy it, that's fine with me. I have no right to restrict what anyone does or wants in these matters.

I have friends that sink money into these nice toys and have listened often enough to know from where I sit,  where it's at. Id rather sink some money into a Nikon 3000mm AFS VR f2.8 lens and upgrade my vacation.

One last thing, I ain't kiss'in you, even if you're from The Netherlands. :wink_face: My wife would throw me and my headphones out of the house.

post #11747 of 14589
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Not trying to fool you, but did you order those Q701 pads yet? :p

I will, I promise you. Currently I'm entertaining the thought of getting a fully loaded Bifrost. That means unless I find a compelling reason not to, I'm pulling the trigger in around a week or so.

Schiit, I could have it here on Monday, if I hit the button at Amazon. I must resist...I must resist...I must resist


Edited by StanD - 2/7/14 at 10:56am
post #11748 of 14589
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There you go again with analogies from amps to lifestyle. biggrin.gif  OK, we all love each other in a non-gayish manner.
Cables and amps are different stories.
To me there is nothing in cables that will improve the sound, other than imagination. Aesthetics and possible comfort issues, I can believe in that and the cost basis is a personal thing.
Amps, well I prefer a clean sound, some will paint that  with the 'Analytical ' label. That either puts me in the SS camp or pure tube big dollar category. As you already know I'm not a fan of adding even order harmonic distortion or the "Warm" sound, hence the only tubes amps I like, sound like a good SS Amp. IMO once you can drive cans beyond earsplitting levels with enough headroom, you don't need more power as there is nothing to be gained from that. Once you reach a low enough level of distortion that no human being can possibly perceive there is nothing to be gained from further improvements, other than playing with Lab equipment and enjoying bragging rights. Of course the human aspect of once you've spent the money, you better enjoy it and let the imagination loose. biggrin.gif   But as I always say, if someone wants to spend more and they enjoy it, that's fine with me. I have no right to restrict what anyone does or wants in these matters.
I have friends that sink money into these nice toys and have listened often enough to know from where I sit,  where it's at. Id rather sink some money into a Nikon 3000mm AFS VR f2.8 lens and upgrade my vacation.
One last thing, I ain't kiss'in you, even if you're from The Netherlands. wink_face.gif  My wife would throw me and my headphones out of the house.
Ur funny..hehehe dont worry..i wont kiss u..i only kiss women as i have portuguese blood in my Vains tongue.gif

And i agree with u how u explain where ur coming from...i dont like warm sounding tube amps also..thats why the 337 surprised me..on a meeting a tubeamp owner told me he found my amp almost sounding like a ss amp ans sounded very fast and powerful, he prefered the more warmer mellow tube sound..
Edited by hifimanrookie - 2/7/14 at 11:28am
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Ur funny..hehehe dont worry..i wont kiss u..i only kiss women as i have portuguese blood in my Vains tongue.gif

And i agree with u how u explain where ur coming from...i dont like warm sounding tube amps also..thats why the 337 surprised me..on a meeting a tubeowneepr told me he found my amp almost sounding like a ss amp ans sounded very fast and powerful, he prefered the more warmer mellow tube sound..

My wife says that she still will not let me vacation in The Netherlands, she doesn't trust me anymore.:D OK, so I made that up.

What I like about this thread is that there are no outbursts and angry fights over what we should be enjoying.

Although that pesky monkey with a memory won't let me forget about those Q701 pads.

Edit: OK, so he has my best interests at heart.


Edited by StanD - 2/7/14 at 11:15am
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I will, I promise you. Currently I'm entertaining the thought of getting a fully loaded Bifrost. That means unless I find a compelling reason not to, I'm pulling the trigger in around a week or so.

Schiit, I could have it here on Monday, if I hit the button at Amazon. I must resist...I must resist...I must resist

 

"I will, I promise you." Just want to get that down for posterity ;)  Seriously though, not pushing it (NB: I've yet to start a thread for this "mod" or even post pictures, just fielded the occasional question and PM).  And of course I can't promise you'll love the sound.  I can promise you'll prefer the comfort over either stock pad.  While I'd love to try the Lawton pads, $100 is... well, 3x what I paid for the AKGs.  Annnnnnnnnnnd cue the pads version of the above cost vs. performance debate ;)

 

The Bifrost is a bute.  Why not get it fully tricked out from Schiit and spring for FedEx 2-Day?  Except for shipping, the price is the same.  I'm glad I did.  OK, now that was mean :D  Are you getting USB?  Are you getting the Uber Analog upgrade?  What about cables.  PYST?  I got them because they're the least expensive really short interconnects I could find.  One was defective, and Schiit shipped a replacement pair pronto (I did provide a lot of test results isolating the cable).  Of course, I unscrewed both ends, saw what I figured was the dodgy end, and used my half-ass soldering skills to make it work.  So far so good.  And yes, I definitely hear a difference between the PYST cables and the generic consumer (came with CD or DVD player) red & white interconnects.

 

Enjoy that Schiit, whatever version you get.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

PIH!  Just checked Amazon and see the Uber Bifrost is Prime!  Bugger bugger bugger #%$! #%$! #%$!


Edited by ThurstonX - 2/7/14 at 12:04pm
post #11751 of 14589
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I will, I promise you. Currently I'm entertaining the thought of getting a fully loaded Bifrost. That means unless I find a compelling reason not to, I'm pulling the trigger in around a week or so.

Schiit, I could have it here on Monday, if I hit the button at Amazon. I must resist...I must resist...I must resist

 

 

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

"I will, I promise you." Just want to get that down for posterity ;)  Seriously though, not pushing it (NB: I've yet to start a thread for this "mod" or even post pictures, just fielded the occasional question and PM).  And of course I can't promise you'll love the sound.  I can promise you'll prefer the comfort over either stock pad.  While I'd love to try the Lawton pads, $100 is... well, 3x what I paid for the AKGs.  Annnnnnnnnnnd cue the pads version of the above cost vs. performance debate ;)

 

The Bifrost is a bute.  Why not get it fully tricked out from Schiit and spring for FedEx 2-Day?  Except for shipping, the price is the same.  I'm glad I did.  OK, now that was mean :D  Are you getting USB?  Are you getting the Uber Analog upgrade?  What about cables.  PYST?  I got them because they're the least expensive really short interconnects I could find.  One was defective, and Schiit shipped a replacement pair pronto (I did provide a lot of test results isolating the cable).  Of course, I unscrewed both ends, saw what I figured was the dodgy end, and used my half-ass soldering skills to make it work.  So far so good.  And yes, I definitely hear a difference between the PYST cables and the generic consumer (came with CD or DVD player) red & white interconnects.

 

Enjoy that Schiit, whatever version you get.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

PIH!  Just checked Amazon and see the Uber Bifrost is Prime!  Bugger bugger bugger #%$! #%$! #%$!

When I said, "Fully Loaded" I meant fully tricked out, Uber and USB. Yep, Amazon Prime, temptation, temptation. Order today and it lands at my door on Monday. Must resist, must resist, must resist.

Your generic RCA audio cables must have been made with bakery string to be a weak link.

I don't find the stock HE-500 pads uncomfortable, but the extra clearance (depth) of the Q701 pads sounded (not audio) good to me. Being open backs we don't have ear breathing issues which is not fun if you listen for long periods as I do.

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^ your attempt to resist the urge is just futile. :p  Just get the agony over with.  You'll be much happier.

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^ your attempt to resist the urge is just futile. :p  Just get the agony over with.  You'll be much happier.

 

+2

one for the Bifrost, one for the pads ;)

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^ your attempt to resist the urge is just futile. :p  Just get the agony over with.  You'll be much happier.

I got my bonus coming on the 15th, but my plastic doesn't give a damn. I just emailed a question to Schiit, and from past experience they respond with lightspeed.

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+2

one for the Bifrost, one for the pads ;)

My knees are giving out and my finger is hovering over the Amazon buttton.....

I see you're hovering over the Jergpad thread.

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My knees are giving out and my finger is hovering over the Amazon buttton.....

I see you're hovering over the Jergpad thread.

 

Was just wondering if the back vent mod on the HE-500s was as... detrimental as with the HE-400s.  I've got my JergulorX pads, but they're just a backup at this point.

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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

 

 

When I said, "Fully Loaded" I meant fully tricked out, Uber and USB. Yep, Amazon Prime, temptation, temptation. Order today and it lands at my door on Monday. Must resist, must resist, must resist.

Your generic RCA audio cables must have been made with bakery string to be a weak link.

I don't find the stock HE-500 pads uncomfortable, but the extra clearance (depth) of the Q701 pads sounded (not audio) good to me. Being open backs we don't have ear breathing issues which is not fun if you listen for long periods as I do.


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 1:12am
post #11758 of 14589
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Not the biggest bifrost or modi fan. I think it makes the he-500 too bright. My used keces, tranqulity, and now I see concero's are much, much more preferable. M-13's deal is a good one imo. Very surprised he's moving on. Gungnir is awesome but you need to run it balanced for optimal performance.

 

Funny, I don't get the over bright sound with mine.  I read plenty of comments that the Bifrost can be cold, analytical, even bright.  I suspect it's the Q701 pads, though maybe they various mods and cables come into play (that's right, StanD, I said cables ;-).  Maybe that brightness is a good thing for my particular rig, as the sound is just how I like it, esp. compared to the other cans listed in my sig.  Synergy synergy synergy.  Oh how we pay (and pay and pay) to find that synergy.

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Funny, I don't get the over bright sound with mine.  I read plenty of comments that the Bifrost can be cold, analytical, even bright.  I suspect it's the Q701 pads, though maybe they various mods and cables come into play (that's right, StanD, I said cables ;-).  Maybe that brightness is a good thing for my particular rig, as the sound is just how I like it, esp. compared to the other cans listed in my sig.  Synergy synergy synergy.  Oh how we pay (and pay and pay) to find that synergy.

I pulled the trigger and Amazon fumbled. :mad:

It was supposed to be delivered on Monday but shows up as Tuesday when I'm not home. I called them and they said that there's a problem with the website. I asked if that was Amazon or healthcare.gov? I canceled the order and will redo when I can get it when I'm home. The Amazon rep gave me a $30 credit on my next order. I guess that means a discount on my Bifrost.

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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I pulled the trigger and Amazon fumbled. :mad:

It was supposed to be delivered on Monday but shows up as Tuesday when I'm not home. I called them and they said that there's a problem with the website. I asked if that was Amazon or healthcare.gov? I canceled the order and will redo when I can get it when I'm home. The Amazon rep gave me a $30 credit on my next order. I guess that means a discount on my Bifrost.

 

Damn, but, well done.  Amazon.gov is good at bending over backwards for their customers.  Just hope they don't have to go to HealthCare.com when their back gives out ;)

Your patience will be rewarded.  That's like free PYST cables + $10.  Just sayin' :D

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