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You guys are bad, trying to push Nimzerz over a cliff and land on a pile of tubes.

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You guys are bad, trying to push Nimzerz over a cliff and land on a pile of tubes.
I feel both lucky and proud to have never heard tubes :3
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You guys are bad, trying to push Nimzerz over a cliff and land on a pile of tubes.

 

 

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I feel both lucky and proud to have never heard tubes :3

A good tube amp costs plenty more than a good SS amp. For now, breathe in and take a music break.

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^Indeed. It seems to me schiit has managed to make a good tube hybrid amp in the vali for very cheap, but still with compromises. Personally, I think you should take it a step further with tubes, and skip those warm sounding cheaper tube amps.
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A good tube amp costs plenty more than a good SS amp. For now, breathe in and take a music break.

Especially one that could drive the HE500 as well as SS.  Generally, it's not easy to get the bottom end tight and powerful on tube amps in comparison to SS.

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A good tube amp costs plenty more than a good SS amp. For now, breathe in and take a music break.

 

 

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^Indeed. It seems to me schiit has managed to make a good tube hybrid amp in the vali for very cheap, but still with compromises. Personally, I think you should take it a step further with tubes, and skip those warm sounding cheaper tube amps.

Those $100 or so single tube amps are noisy and sound awful and are not in my thoughts.The first level of pure tube amp that sounds decent can't supply much power to low impedance cans. To drive low impedance cans that want juice the price tag escalates. If it has an output transformer it'll cost for one having a tranformer that doesn't saturate or exhibit bad behavior.

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Those $100 or so single tube amps are noisy and sound awful and are not in my thoughts.The first level of pure tube amp that sounds decent can't supply much power to low impedance cans. To drive low impedance cans that want juice the price tag escalates. If it has an output transformer it'll cost for one having a tranformer that doesn't saturate or exhibit bad behavior.

 

That's why the cheapest "good" tube amps are all OTL. No need for money spent on a good transformer, which can't be skimped on for quality. The compromise there is those usually only work well with high impedance cans. The only other cheap and decent option are hybrid amps. The compromise also here also removes the need for output transformer, thus reducing cost, but the compromise is not purely tube. It's really the output transformers that cost a lot to get a decent quality tube amp that can drive all impedances. I think the cheapest decent output transformer coupled tube amp is the WA6, which starts at $660.

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Those $100 or so single tube amps are noisy and sound awful and are not in my thoughts.The first level of pure tube amp that sounds decent can't supply much power to low impedance cans. To drive low impedance cans that want juice the price tag escalates. If it has an output transformer it'll cost for one having a tranformer that doesn't saturate or exhibit bad behavior.

 

 

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That's why the cheapest "good" tube amps are all OTL. No need for money spent on a good transformer, which can't be skimped on for quality. The compromise there is those usually only work well with high impedance cans. The only other cheap and decent option are hybrid amps. The compromise also here also removes the need for output transformer, thus reducing cost, but the compromise is not purely tube. It's really the output transformers that cost a lot to get a decent quality tube amp that can drive all impedances. I think the cheapest decent output transformer coupled tube amp is the WA6, which starts at $660.

Pretty much along the same lines as what I say. Personally I prefer a good SS amp.

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Or u go the other way around..from tubes to something else wink.gif

But i agree..tuberolling is a very addictive game!!!!!!!! Before u know it u have many pairs...and expensive ones also..as u always think u can get a better sounding pair..and its worse if u have a full tube amp..not a hybrid..as a full tube amp will cost ya a fortune in tubes if ur not carefull...and u spend it all voluntarely biggrin.gif

 

Was kinda making a different point.  I mean, I just got, and am burning in, some Siemens CCas.  They sound great.  I should finish burning them in and keep enjoying them, along with my other tubes.  But no.  I gotta go on eBay and search for Telefunkens, then find a pair that tempts me mightily, cuz the price is good, and they won't stick around, esp. at that price.

 

That's what I was going for.  But yeah, that plays into the addictive game theme.  At least with my cans and Lyr, I'm satisfied and am not looking to upgrade, just enjoy.  I can even wait patiently for the Bifrost :D

 

So, while I can live quite happily in my mid-fi audiophile world, those fleeting tube deals keep tapping at the window, and I gotta get out the shotgun to shoo them away ;)

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Pretty much along the same lines as what I say. Personally I prefer a good SS amp.


If you have no problems with SS, shouldn't hybrid amps be of interest to you for the tube sound without sacrifice to quality? And you probably wouldn't care it's not pure tube.

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Was kinda making a different point.  I mean, I just got, and am burning in, some Siemens CCas.  They sound great.  I should finish burning them in and keep enjoying them, along with my other tubes.  But no.  I gotta go on eBay and search for Telefunkens, then find a pair that tempts me mightily, cuz the price is good, and they won't stick around, esp. at that price.

 

That's what I was going for.  But yeah, that plays into the addictive game theme.  At least with my cans and Lyr, I'm satisfied and am not looking to upgrade, just enjoy.  I can even wait patiently for the Bifrost :D

 

So, while I can live quite happily in my mid-fi audiophile world, those fleeting tube deals keep tapping at the window, and I gotta get out the shotgun to shoo them away ;)

How do you know you're not getting rebadged cheapo Chinese tubes on eBay. I'm not very trusting of eBay.

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How do you know you're not getting rebadged cheapo Chinese tubes on eBay. I'm not very trusting of eBay.

 

It can be a gamble, I agree.  One thing I've learned about tube rolling is... I've got a lot to learn.  And that applies to pretty much everyone.  That means taking the time to learn about the tubes in which you're interested, so you can spot fakes.  Then you've got to identify trustworthy eBay sellers.  The Lyr tube rolling threads (old, dead one, and current) are a real boon there.  Then for others, well, that's eBay.  Read reviews of the seller, etc.  The Telefunkens I shooed away with the shotgun are from a US seller who offers a 14-day money back guarantee.  If I didn't possess such awesome restraint, I'd have bid on them.  Also, I value my marriage ;)

 

So, eBay requires effort.  But I got quite lucky with four 1974 Voskhod Rockets from a Russian seller.  At $12/tube shipped, I couldn't resist.  They're no Siemens CCas, but at that price they sound fine.

 

There are a few good, and well-stocked, US dealers.  They'll cost, but you can be pretty confident in what you're getting.  Add the truly reputable eBay sellers, and there's not much need to take any crazy risks with your $$$.

 

Maybe the Lyr would suit you, Stan.  Stick some nice Siemens in there, slap on the HE-500s you've yet to mod, and bliss out.  The rabbit hole beckons... :evil:

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Quick question; Should I go for the Emotiva Mini-x a-100 or the Garage 1217 Ember, or should I just stick with my O2 amp? I can DIY, so the ember should be around the same price as the Mini X, however the O2 also seem to drive my He 500's just fine, yet I feel as if something's missing, as if the treble isn't as smooth it should be (or maybe I'm just paranoid, horns sound a little honky). BTW I running the O2 from an SMSL SD1955 (really nice DAC, as the name implies it uses an AD1955 chip).

 

If it was my money I'd give the Emotiva a try first. It does have a return policy if you are in the US. The Garage 1217 amps are quite good and well assembled, but you are going to spend quite a bit more coin to find the right tube, I bought around 8 for my Sunrise 2 to try and then I ended up with the clearest and most solid state sounding tube of the lot, so I though stuff valves, I am definitely a SS guy. The Emotiva just requires an adapter and is plug in and enjoy.

 

It seems like a lot of people try to cure digi-itis by going with tubes. I'm threatening a ban on all digital sounding DACs and that includes my Concero. After buying a pretty decent Thorens turntable and a mid-range Ortofon cartridge and hearing what that sounds like I'm quite disillusioned with DACs. I'm not quite feeling the music in my high resolution tracks anymore...


Edited by daerron - 1/19/14 at 10:16pm
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If it was my money I'd give the Emotiva a try first. It does have a return policy if you are in the US. The Garage 1217 amps are quite good and well assembled, but you are going to spend quite a bit more coin to find the right tube, I bought around 8 for my Sunrise 2 to try and then I ended up with the clearest and most solid state sounding tube of the lot, so I though stuff valves, I am definitely a SS guy. The Emotiva just requires an adapter and is plug in and enjoy.

 

It seems like a lot of people try to cure digi-itis by going with tubes. I'm threatening a ban on all digital sounding DACs and that includes my Concero. After buying a pretty decent Thorens turntable and a mid-range Ortofon cartridge and hearing what that sounds like I'm quite disillusioned with DACs. I'm not quite feeling the music in my high resolution tracks anymore...


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 1:51am
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I haven't tried any $1000 plus headphone amps yet, the highest was the Lehmann Audio Black Cube Linear at $750, but its not powerful enough for orthos and likes high impedance cans better. Most of my money has gone into my home theater so far, but my system is now probably set for the next few years so I'll probably experiment with more expensive amplifiers at some stage, though I'd really like to cure the digi-itis problem first as its affecting my enjoyment of music and before I actually do go and dump my turntable on my desk! :eek: I don't perceive the Mini-X as a weak link in my system.

 

Like I've said before. The Emotiva Mini-X is a cheap amplifier, I've tried using it with good speakers and it doesn't sound that good. I would not use it with anything better than $300-500 bookshelf speakers. I have a very good Myryad MXA power amplifier that sounds significantly better. My HE-500s also sound cleaner, flatter and better when run through the Myryad, but the HE-500 for some reason has excellent synergy going with the Mini-X, whereas the Myryad makes the HE-500 sound dull. In some aspects the Mini-X with the HE-500 really reminds me of music I've heard through some very expensive speaker systems. Its dynamics can give your music a real jolt with toe tapping enthusiasm and best of all you don't have to crank up to volume to experience it. It really makes the HE-500 sound very speaker like.

 

Maybe in their attempt to make a budget amplifier, Emotiva inadvertently hit the jackpot to make the perfect orthodynamic headphone amplifier? We should be writing them thank you letters! :p


Edited by daerron - 1/19/14 at 11:11pm
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