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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Thanks for the tip aboutbthe lake people amp..

About the waiting...almost 7months now....but i told them in the beginning i want the best my money can buy..no matter the waiting period...and thats whats they are doing...making the best amp for the budget i gave them and more..they improve on the way while building...thats innovation and dedication! They didnt need to do that..they could built the amp as agreed back in june..with the powersupply in a PVC tube and completely standard black..as most of the amp builders do... But am glad they are different! wink.gif and best of all..i dont need to pay any more cent extra!
Only one problem..with every improvement the amp gets heavier..so in theory it does get more expensive as postage from canada to the netherlands for a heavy package is not something to sniff about biggrin.gif

 

Just a heads up. When an engineer changes his mind its normally not a good thing... You know the "what happens if I press this button???" kind of thing, especially if you've got some coin left in the kitty. Curiosity don't kill cats, it kills engineers! :D Better keep an eye on them else you are going to join our blue circle club! ;)


Edited by daerron - 1/11/14 at 1:54pm
post #10967 of 18030
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Originally Posted by daerron View Post

Just a heads up. When an engineer changes his mind its normally not a good thing. You know the "what happens if I press this button???" kind of thing. I've seen scope creep mess up plenty of products so you better keep an eye on them else you are going to join our blue circle club! wink.gif
Am not worried in this case..
I had contact with another blue circle owner of a custom amp..and with him the same thing happened..and in the end he got an unique amp powered by batteries for 22hrs on one charge!.. Sounding like nothing else he ever heard..
So i know gilbert is not the kind of engineer gambling on the built.he has to good of a name for that! ..when he tries something its always for the best..and he will test it rigourelously..thats why he asks me to be patient in his mail...if not..he wont use it..thats why he wont come up almost every year with new technology as some of the mass brands do..some of his designs on his amps go back many years for some models...with trusted and reliable performance..thats why many BC onwners have their amps for many many many years and are extremely loyal.

But if u do see on the news a house exploded in amsterdam because of a big amp powered by nuclear fusion...then u know its me.. biggrin.gif

But thanks for being worried for me.. rolleyes.gif

Ps..i am already in ur very nice club..i just happen to get a different amp then u guys..
Edited by hifimanrookie - 1/11/14 at 3:26pm
post #10968 of 18030

Got my amp some time ago.. Using it for my speakers as my HE-500 is... deceased, beyond repair actually. RIP. The delivery itself took 36 hours actually. Quite wicked!

 

It seems I'll get a new HE-500, only paying shipping and perhaps also a working hour or two... Good service delivered by Sieveking in Germany. We'll see...

post #10969 of 18030
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Got my amp some time ago.. Using it for my speakers as my HE-500 is... deceased, beyond repair actually. RIP. The delivery itself took 36 hours actually. Quite wicked!

It seems I'll get a new HE-500, only paying shipping and perhaps also a working hour or two... Good service delivered by Sieveking in Germany. We'll see...
I have good experience with them also... Very nice and helpful peeps there biggrin.gif
post #10970 of 18030

If anyone's looking to buy the Bendix 6080WB w/ Slotted Graphite Columns and RCA 5693 Red Hot tubes for the La Figaro 339 or similar OTL amp, I have them for sale here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/699877/fs-two-bendix-6080wb-w-slotted-graphite-columns-two-rca-5693-red-hots Bought them but never had the chance to use them. Decided to go for a transformer amp instead of OTL so these tubes are no longer useful to me. Price is exactly what you'd pay from vacuumtubes.com.

post #10971 of 18030

I can't believe that I'm going to ask this, given that I've read all of this enormous thread, but I need advice on Dacs and Amps for the HE500. With any luck, I'm going to be moving into a new job based in Singapore before too long and therefore get the chance to treat myself. My budget will be about $1000 USD, maybe a bit more. Your advice on the absolute best match for my HE500s would be much appreciated. 

 

This might help narrow down the search:

 

1. I think I want dedicated headphone kit, so no speaker amps. I don't want to mess around with speaker taps etc.

 

2. I am a very, very shallow person, so attractive kit would be a bonus :-)

 

3. I listen to a range of different music types, but primarily classical, jazz, rock, folk and various forms of electronic

 

4. I'm coming from a decent but not brilliant DAC / Amp combo (The DA&T U2). I'm hoping that the upgrade will significantly improve detail resolution and soundstage. I'm not particularly pleased with how classical music in particular sounds on my current setup, but "simpler" music - electronic, Joni Mitchell etc - sounds pretty great. Bass is also a bit anaemic right now.

 

5. Source is usually my Macbook Air connected via USB. Sometimes my DX50 via Coax.

 

6. My HE500 is stock single-ended. Not sure if I need the ability go balanced in future - but mainly because I really don't understand what the term means or if it would get me any benefit. So open to that question..

 

7. I'm open to Tube vs. SS. I've actually never even heard a tube amp, but am tempted. Not sure if the sound signature would be right for me or not, but tube rolling does sound fun. 

 

8. I'd like a separate Dac and Amp for purposes of upgradeability later. If they look good together (Schiit?), all tha better

 

I'd like to narrow it down to the two or three killer combos and try and audition them if possible. Your help in narrowing the search down would be hugely appreciated! Thanks....

post #10972 of 18030
Amps: schiit lyr with premium tubes, LF339 with premium tubes, Asgard drives them quite well, Yulong a18, v200 second hand, SR71, g109, WA3SE second hand, little dot mk6. The V200 and Wa3se will almost use up the $1000 so maybe you can save a bit more for a decent DAC later on.

Dac: I was advised when pairing dacs to the amp, always choose a warm dac for a cold/SS sounding amp and vice versa. ODAC, Bifrost, HRT MS2, NFB3.

I was running a lf339 with MS2 and it was a good pairing. Big soundstage but bass wasn't detailed enough and at times too slurpy sort of sound. I then got the v200 and mdac and it is a very very nice combo. Warm, detailed and smooth. The Lyr and Bifrost is another good one, but you would need to pay for those good tubes and you can slightly tailor the sound as well. If I were you, I would go for the Schiit stack.
Edited by Contrails - 1/12/14 at 10:40pm
post #10973 of 18030
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Originally Posted by warth0g View Post
 

I can't believe that I'm going to ask this, given that I've read all of this enormous thread, but I need advice on Dacs and Amps for the HE500. With any luck, I'm going to be moving into a new job based in Singapore before too long and therefore get the chance to treat myself. My budget will be about $1000 USD, maybe a bit more. Your advice on the absolute best match for my HE500s would be much appreciated. 

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This might help narrow down the search:

 

1. I think I want dedicated headphone kit, so no speaker amps. I don't want to mess around with speaker taps etc.

 

2. I am a very, very shallow person, so attractive kit would be a bonus :-)

 

3. I listen to a range of different music types, but primarily classical, jazz, rock, folk and various forms of electronic

 

4. I'm coming from a decent but not brilliant DAC / Amp combo (The DA&T U2). I'm hoping that the upgrade will significantly improve detail resolution and soundstage. I'm not particularly pleased with how classical music in particular sounds on my current setup, but "simpler" music - electronic, Joni Mitchell etc - sounds pretty great. Bass is also a bit anaemic right now.

 

5. Source is usually my Macbook Air connected via USB. Sometimes my DX50 via Coax.

 

6. My HE500 is stock single-ended. Not sure if I need the ability go balanced in future - but mainly because I really don't understand what the term means or if it would get me any benefit. So open to that question..

 

7. I'm open to Tube vs. SS. I've actually never even heard a tube amp, but am tempted. Not sure if the sound signature would be right for me or not, but tube rolling does sound fun. 

 

8. I'd like a separate Dac and Amp for purposes of upgradeability later. If they look good together (Schiit?), all tha better

 

I'd like to narrow it down to the two or three killer combos and try and audition them if possible. Your help in narrowing the search down would be hugely appreciated! Thanks....

 

 

 

Hmmm, thats a surprisingly easy one. The Woo Audio WA7 fits the bill perfectly. You can use the internal DAC until you want to upgrade to a standalone DAC and I'm sure the looks are certain to impress! ;) 


Edited by daerron - 1/12/14 at 11:05pm
post #10974 of 18030

Can anyone who has heard the HE 500 with both Lyr & WA7 offer some comparisons please ?

 

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I have the Lyr & it drives the HE 500 well. I also want to get the WA7 but have heard some conflicting reports about their pairing with WA7, seems some people think it will not be able to power the He 500's as well as the Lyr.


Edited by punit - 1/13/14 at 12:53am
post #10975 of 18030

OK great,thank you. So, so far we have:

 

1. Lyr / Bifrost

 

2. WA7

 

Both very good suggestions and most tempting. Well priced too. My only concern with the WA7 though is that I really don't want to have to upgrade the DAC anytime soon should that be necessary - so can anyone advise if the DAC in the WA7 can compete with the Bifrost? If not, then the first round goes to Schiit.. as it were..

post #10976 of 18030
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Originally Posted by warth0g View Post
 

OK great,thank you. So, so far we have:

 

1. Lyr / Bifrost

 

2. WA7

 

Both very good suggestions and most tempting. Well priced too. My only concern with the WA7 though is that I really don't want to have to upgrade the DAC anytime soon should that be necessary - so can anyone advise if the DAC in the WA7 can compete with the Bifrost? If not, then the first round goes to Schiit.. as it were..

 

This thread may be helpful: http://www.head-fi.org/t/669768/how-good-is-the-woo-audio-wa7-built-in-dac-is-it-as-good-as-schiit-bifrost

post #10977 of 18030
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Wow - there's a thread for everything on Head-Fi! Thanks for that..

post #10978 of 18030
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Originally Posted by warth0g View Post

Wow - there's a thread for everything on Head-Fi! Thanks for that..
Not everything...but its close. biggrin.gif
And to make u ever more doubting..i read on headfi that the wa7 is a bit on the weak side..powerwise for the he500
I myself had a 337 and i loved that amp with my he500 And i used a hm602 (mp3 player) as the source..loved that pairing! Nice deep rumble in the music..strange was when i used my laptop as source the sound got worse! So i am guessing the hm602 was a wonderful player. Only a bitch in usage because it only could swallow 32gb cards max! So if u have a huge collection of music that could be a bit of a challenge redface.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 1/13/14 at 1:32am
post #10979 of 18030
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Originally Posted by warth0g View Post
 

Wow - there's a thread for everything on Head-Fi! Thanks for that..

 

np, happy hunting.

 

Btw, I had the WA7 for about 1 month and thought the he500 combo was lovely. The main reason why I sold it was because I wanted to look into some of woo audios higher end headphone amp models as well as some speaker amps.

post #10980 of 18030
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Originally Posted by warth0g View Post
 

I can't believe that I'm going to ask this, given that I've read all of this enormous thread, but I need advice on Dacs and Amps for the HE500. With any luck, I'm going to be moving into a new job based in Singapore before too long and therefore get the chance to treat myself. My budget will be about $1000 USD, maybe a bit more. Your advice on the absolute best match for my HE500s would be much appreciated. 

 

This might help narrow down the search:

 

1. I think I want dedicated headphone kit, so no speaker amps. I don't want to mess around with speaker taps etc.

 

2. I am a very, very shallow person, so attractive kit would be a bonus :-)

 

3. I listen to a range of different music types, but primarily classical, jazz, rock, folk and various forms of electronic

 

4. I'm coming from a decent but not brilliant DAC / Amp combo (The DA&T U2). I'm hoping that the upgrade will significantly improve detail resolution and soundstage. I'm not particularly pleased with how classical music in particular sounds on my current setup, but "simpler" music - electronic, Joni Mitchell etc - sounds pretty great. Bass is also a bit anaemic right now.

 

5. Source is usually my Macbook Air connected via USB. Sometimes my DX50 via Coax.

 

6. My HE500 is stock single-ended. Not sure if I need the ability go balanced in future - but mainly because I really don't understand what the term means or if it would get me any benefit. So open to that question..

 

7. I'm open to Tube vs. SS. I've actually never even heard a tube amp, but am tempted. Not sure if the sound signature would be right for me or not, but tube rolling does sound fun. 

 

8. I'd like a separate Dac and Amp for purposes of upgradeability later. If they look good together (Schiit?), all tha better

 

I'd like to narrow it down to the two or three killer combos and try and audition them if possible. Your help in narrowing the search down would be hugely appreciated! Thanks....

 

Without catching up on the thread to see if others have already said it, based on your requirements/wishes, sounds like the Schiit Lyr + Bifrost combo would suit you.  To me, it's gorgeous, and while I'm not very, very shallow ;), I do appreciate aesthetics.  And tube rolling?  It's the #$%^@!#$ black hole of this hobby... and yes, it is fun!

 

So, accounting for differences in tubes, I'd put the Schiit combo on your To-Be-Demo'd list.

 

The other things I'd suggest you consider are the various reversible mods you can do for your HE-500 (re-grilling, jergpads, "fuzzor" felt mod).  They should help with soundstage and bass.  The former improved on mine, and the bass is far from anemic.

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