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post #10891 of 18157

So hows the efficiency of the HE-560 compared to the HE-500?
Would the mini-x be too powerful for the HE-560?

post #10892 of 18157
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 


While I love my HE500 very much, I don't see/understand why the new 560 would not be good.  Hifiman would not risk their current reputation by putting out a mediocre product.  The way I look at this, the new HPs could be a side grade in sound signature/flavor with physical improvements such as headband/weight...

That'd be my guess as well, especially if the drivers are drastically different.

post #10893 of 18157

Honestly, I trust that Dr. Fang has made two fantastic new HPs. What has he done wrong so far? The HE-400 does not appeal to as many people as say the HE-500, but it has it's audience. The HE-4/5LE,5/6 are all unreal when properly amped, the HE-300 is a decent dynamic can, and we all know how good the HE-500 is. Based on his track record I think that they will sound great.

 

*I am sure the Jade was legendary, but I have never heard it, I have heard the others.

post #10894 of 18157
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

Honestly, I trust that Dr. Fang has made two fantastic new HPs. What has he done wrong so far? The HE-400 does not appeal to as many people as say the HE-500, but it has it's audience. The HE-4/5LE,5/6 are all unreal when properly amped, the HE-300 is a decent dynamic can, and we all know how good the HE-500 is. Based on his track record I think that they will sound great.

*I am sure the Jade was legendary, but I have never heard it, I have heard the others.
I cant be even weirder..this sounds like the twilight zone...i agree with u..again...dr. Fang made some wonderful phones...i loved them all..except the he400 that is.. Proof for that is that i am getting a modified he5 again... wink.gif
The jade was pure bliss from what i have heard in sound..only the built quality was horriific... I really hope they will come up with a phone on top of the majestic he6...even if u need to get a multi multi multi multi watts of amping..or even worse...an electrostatic amp..that would be the day..an electrostat with hifiman pricing and hifiman performance...a 1999usd stax killing machine..i think some brands would maybe poop in their pants then.. biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 1/9/14 at 9:15am
post #10895 of 18157
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


I cant be even weirder..this sounds like the twilight zone...i agree with u..again...dr. Fang made some wonderful phones...i loved them all..except the he400 that is.. Proof for that is that i am getting a modified he5 again... wink.gif
The jade was pure bliss from what i have heard in sound..only the built quality was horriific... I really hope they will come up with a phone on top of the majestic he6...even if u need to get a multi multi multi multi watts of amping..or even worse...an electrostatic amp..that would be the day..an electrostat with hifiman pricing and hifiman performance...a 1999usd stax killing machine..i think some brands would maybe poop in their pants then.. biggrin.gif


I have agreed with you many times, just not on the amps that I own and can A/B compare:wink: 

 

BTW, shouldn't your new amp be there soon?


Edited by Fearless1 - 1/9/14 at 9:27am
post #10896 of 18157
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

I think lots of people in this thread have early-adopters' bitterness / bias at the moment. If the HE560 turns out to be better in ergonomics AND sound quality, then so be it.

 

At the moment there is zero in-depth impressions of its performance on the Internet still, except Cnet's Guttenberg's very positive early words. So if you are already making assumptions that it should be worse-sounding than HE500s, you are just deluding yourself.

 

I like Steve, but I take everything he says with a grain of salt. I like his reviews, but he seems to praise every high-end product he reviews...

post #10897 of 18157

I guess its the "stat" like sound claim that is putting me off and putting them in hype territory. If Dr. Fang claimed it was an improvement over the HE-500 then I'd be all ears..

 

I think this is the main thing that is bothering me from Hifiman is that unlike Audeze who seem to build on technology from one design to the next with continuous improvements, Hifiman just comes with up with with a totally different idea. I don't know, I just find it very odd. Its like Hifiman is saying, we found a different way to build a HE-500 which we think you'll like more, in stead of saying, hey we looked at the HE-500, saw where we could improve on the design and we built a better headphone based on that.

 

Honestly I think a better approach would have been to design a new HE-6 based on this new technology and eventually filter it down to lower levels. This way there would be no questions about what they are doing and where the new headphones slot in.

post #10898 of 18157
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post

 

I like Steve, but I take everything he says with a grain of salt. I like his reviews, but he seems to praise every high-end product he reviews...


+1

Praise from Steve Guttenberg is essentially meaningless. 

post #10899 of 18157
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Originally Posted by daerron View Post

I guess its the "stat" like sound claim that is putting me off and putting them in hype territory. If Dr. Fang claimed it was an improvement over the HE-500 then I'd be all ears..

I think this is the main thing that is bothering me from Hifiman is that unlike Audeze who seem to build on technology from one design to the next with continuous improvements, Hifiman just comes with up with with a totally different idea. I don't know, I just find it very odd. Its like Hifiman is saying, we found a different way to build a HE-500 which we think you'll like more, in stead of saying, hey we looked at the HE-500, saw where we could improve on the design and we built a better headphone based on that.

Honestly I think a better approach would have been to design a new HE-6 based on this new technology and eventually filter it down to lower levels. This way there would be no questions about what they are doing and where the new headphones slot in.
+1000
Right down to the hype and new headphone. Everything you said is like you read my mind lol
post #10900 of 18157
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Originally Posted by daerron View Post
 

I guess its the "stat" like sound claim that is putting me off and putting them in hype territory. If Dr. Fang claimed it was an improvement over the HE-500 then I'd be all ears..

 

I think this is the main thing that is bothering me from Hifiman is that unlike Audeze who seem to build on technology from one design to the next with continuous improvements, Hifiman just comes with up with with a totally different idea. I don't know, I just find it very odd. Its like Hifiman is saying, we found a different way to build a HE-500 which we think you'll like more, in stead of saying, hey we looked at the HE-500, saw where we could improve on the design and we built a better headphone based on that.

 

Honestly I think a better approach would have been to design a new HE-6 based on this new technology and eventually filter it down to lower levels. This way there would be no questions about what they are doing and where the new headphones slot in.

 

One of the reasons I like the LCD-3. Take the LCD-2.2, improve on basically everything. The price is too much at just under $2K, but if it were a couple hundred more than the LCD-3, it would be perfect, IMHO.

post #10901 of 18157
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post


I have agreed with you many times, just not on the amps that I own and can A/B compare;)  

BTW, shouldn't your new amp be there soon?
Lolz.. Ur right about the agree thingie... biggrin.gif
My new amp will be here second week of february..am really on the edge of my chair counting back the days biggrin.gif
And i just checked USPS track and trace..my code-x is going oversees from USA to europe today biggrin.gif
post #10902 of 18157
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Lolz.. Ur right about the agree thingie... biggrin.gif
My new amp will be here second week of february..am really on the edge of my chair counting back the days biggrin.gif
And i just checked USPS track and trace..my code-x is going oversees from USA to europe today biggrin.gif


Cool, I hope it is worth the wait.

post #10903 of 18157
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 


While I love my HE500 very much, I don't see/understand why the new 560 would not be good.  Hifiman would not risk their current reputation by putting out a mediocre product.  The way I look at this, the new HPs could be a side grade in sound signature/flavor with physical improvements such as headband/weight...

This is what I'm putting my money on...they've been able to innovate on a 'house sound' for both the HE and RE series so far, which is great because that's why I love em :cool: additional ergonomics is just icing on the cake.

post #10904 of 18157
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

The headband has never been a problem for me, it's a minority. What wasn't a minority was the horrendous connectors.

a lot of ppl felt they where too heavy

 

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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

I don't think so...

 

:o

 

The connectors where kinda of a pain but I've worked with smaller screws and waht not >.>

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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

This is what I'm putting my money on...they've been able to innovate on a 'house sound' for both the HE and RE series so far, which is great because that's why I love em :cool: additional ergonomics is just icing on the cake.

Me to, I'll have to check the review out, and honestly I do like the Look of the 560, just wish it wasn't called 560... what an awckawrd number

post #10905 of 18157

Some interesting discussions about if the 560 will be "better" or not. Here's my take on it:

 

I think The HE-500 is the darkest of all Hifiman headphones (minus the HE-400 which is just darker in places). The HE-6/HE-5LE/HE-4 and even the original HE-5 was all lit up more. People describe their sound as airy, more detailed etc. The HE-500 is sort of a anomaly in the line, an accident perhaps. For me the tonality is perfect and is what I consider to be "neutral" from a subjective perspective. Even though I know the technical definition of neutral is probably a little bit brighter.

 

I have no doubt the 560 will be technically better. What I mean by "tech better" is that it will be more resolving of micro-details (a la HE-6) maybe have better soundstage (wider/deeper) and maybe even better imaging (more precise placement of instruments/voice etc). That's all great, same thing happened between the LCD-2 vs. LCD-3. What I'm afraid probably won't happen is that the HE-560 have the exact same tonality of the HE-500. What I mean by tonality = frequency response curve. I can accept something similar, but not something significantly brighter or darker.

 

There is a minimum amount of micro-detail extraction that is needed for me to enjoy my music. HE-500 provides this. It's not a HD800 or SR-009 but it has "enough" details and is transparent "enough".

 

I think Sennheiser drastically changing the tonality of the HD650 to the HD800 is the fear I have. If Sennheiser had kept the exact same tonality of the HD650 or even the HD600 but created a ring radiator driver with super micro-details and speed. I honestly wouldn't own anything else. I'd own the HD800 and nothing else would interest me.

 

So yes. I'm excited, but also fearful that Fang has gone super bright on us again.


Edited by M-13 - 1/9/14 at 11:48am
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