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post #10846 of 18020

Hopefully these new models will improve in sound where they fail in looks. If they are more comfy and lighter, it's worth it then.

post #10847 of 18020

I have very high doubts that the SQ will beat the HE-500.

post #10848 of 18020
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

I have very high doubts that the SQ will beat the HE-500.

 

Which model?

post #10849 of 18020

The HE-560. They seem to be targeting comfort over SQ. I'm sure lots of the cost has gone toward the new headband and what not. If the magnets are single-sided I have extremely high doubts. They would be much harder to "tune" properly in order to have low distortion and great FR.

 

All my own theory of course.

post #10850 of 18020
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

Which model?
I think he means the 560i.. biggrin.gif

And Did i read it right that they are back to single driver per side? Now i am all confused..they once went from single sided (HE4) to dual drivers to improve the sound..and now they go back to single? Am i missing something? redface.gif
Did they favor those with poor neck muscles over the their loyal ones who want better SQ no matter how heavy the phone is? Hope not!
Edited by hifimanrookie - 1/8/14 at 3:17pm
post #10851 of 18020
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

The HE-560. They seem to be targeting comfort over SQ. I'm sure lots of the cost has gone toward the new headband and what not. If the magnets are single-sided I have extremely high doubts. They would be much harder to "tune" properly in order to have low distortion and great FR.

 

All my own theory of course.

 

Well, if that is the case, they clearly missed. That price increase for that ghetto looking piece of metal on top. It better have some next level comfort. Single-ended drivers. I think this is all for weight reduction. Hopefully the magnets are still decent to maintain that killer bass.

 

Can't comment on sound. Only thing left to do is wait and listen to it. In the meantime, hopefully they will reconsider the aesthetics part of the headband. SR-009 has a similar dual headband type, but looks gorgeous IMO.

post #10852 of 18020
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post
 

 

Well, if that is the case, they clearly missed. That price increase for that ghetto looking piece of metal on top. It better have some next level comfort. Single-ended drivers. I think this is all for weight reduction. Hopefully the magnets are still decent to maintain that killer bass.

 

Can't comment on sound. Only thing left to do is wait and listen to it. In the meantime, hopefully they will reconsider the aesthetics part of the headband. SR-009 has a similar dual headband type, but looks gorgeous IMO.

You really think the headband looks ugly? Did you see the second set of photos? I think they look way more pleasing than the current headband. The Cnet photo aims at a terrible angle that's why they look cheap/flimsy there.

post #10853 of 18020

What the heck is a SE driver?  

post #10854 of 18020
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

I think he means the 560i.. biggrin.gif

And Did i read it right that they are back to single driver per side? Now i am all confused..they once went from single sided (HE4) to dual drivers to improve the sound..and now they go back to single? Am i missing something? redface.gif
Did they favor those with poor neck muscles over the their loyal ones who want better SQ no matter how heavy the phone is? Hope not!
What they should have done is optimize for sound quality even if it's 5 or 10 pounds heavier. Then simply include a neck brace. It's not like we're walking around in public with these currently. biggrin.gif
post #10855 of 18020
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

You really think the headband looks ugly? Did you see the second set of photos? I think they look way more pleasing than the current headband. The Cnet photo aims at a terrible angle that's why they look cheap/flimsy there.

Really? I honestly think the current headband is quite amazing looking :) Very simple yet effective and comfortable (to me, at least).

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

What the heck is a SE driver?  


It's where the driver is only affected by one set of magnets on one side of it. Rather than having it placed between two sets of magnets, the driver is placed next to one set.

 

Edit: Oh... I see what you did there. He said SE driver rather than SE magnets XD

 

I'm not saying I'm against the new design or anything, I'm just saying that it doesn't have MY interest. I still believe they went in the right direction with the high demand for more comfortable orthodynamic headphones.


Edited by Nimzerz - 1/8/14 at 3:40pm
post #10856 of 18020
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

Really? I honestly think the current headband is quite amazing looking :) Very simple yet effective and comfortable (to me, at least).


It's where the driver is only affected by one set of magnets on one side of it. Rather than having it placed between two sets of magnets, the driver is placed next to one set.

 

Edit: Oh... I see what you did there. He said SE driver rather than SE magnets XD

 

I'm not saying I'm against the new design or anything, I'm just saying that it doesn't have MY interest. I still believe they went in the right direction with the high demand for more comfortable orthodynamic headphones.

 

To hell with comfort.  Make my headphone need a power plant to drive them if the SQ is increased.  The more work you put in them the better the results you get out of them..

 

Just saying..

post #10857 of 18020
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

You really think the headband looks ugly? Did you see the second set of photos? I think they look way more pleasing than the current headband. The Cnet photo aims at a terrible angle that's why they look cheap/flimsy there.

Link?

 

EDIT: NVM Found them: http://www.head-fi.org/t/698831/fresh-outta-ces-the-hifiman-he-400i-and-he-560

post #10858 of 18020
I have been thinking about the pricing of the new ones...especially the he560i. Its upped from 699 to 899.. For less drivers and much lighter built..a bit cheapish looks..the metal top for sure looks like its cheaper to manufacturer then the headband our models have..so i think the he6 will be discontinued soon..as the price difference is back to the days the he500 came out.
But back to the pricing...i am guessing that the model above those will also be more upmarket in pricing..more in the line of 1599 just like audeze priced the new ones..only audeze didnt change the built (only went from wood to plastics).. But for esthetics its stayed the same..they only perfected the drivers... So most investment for the new models went into SQ.. Why is hifiman doing it differently? Did they find a magical metal/epoxy/driver which sounds better one sided then any of the headphones they made until now?

I think they are messing with us...i think the real deal will be a new he7 or a new jade that has to come to replace the by now almost ancient HE6 ..and a long rumor has it it will be electrostatic... Could it be? A phone who has the qualities of orthos and electrostats? Is that sci-fi or reality? Only hifiman knows.. biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 1/8/14 at 3:55pm
post #10859 of 18020
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post
 

Really? I honestly think the current headband is quite amazing looking :) Very simple yet effective and comfortable (to me, at least).


It's where the driver is only affected by one set of magnets on one side of it. Rather than having it placed between two sets of magnets, the driver is placed next to one set.

 

Edit: Oh... I see what you did there. He said SE driver rather than SE magnets XD

 

I'm not saying I'm against the new design or anything, I'm just saying that it doesn't have MY interest. I still believe they went in the right direction with the high demand for more comfortable orthodynamic headphones.

There's "comfortable", and then there's "super ergonomic can't-even-feel-it comfortable"; AFAIK properly-executed suspension headband is the best in that regard. Notice how the the top modded T50RPs all use it (MrSpeakers' products, also LFF's Paradox), STAX uses it, Abyss uses it, top Sony cans use it, list goes on. There is nothing that distributes weight more evenly than a good wide suspension strap.

post #10860 of 18020
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

There's "comfortable", and then there's "super ergonomic can't-even-feel-it comfortable"; AFAIK properly-executed suspension headband is the best in that regard. Notice how the the top modded T50RPs all use it (MrSpeakers' products, also LFF's Paradox), STAX uses it, Abyss uses it, top Sony cans use it, list goes on. There is nothing that distributes weight more evenly than a good wide suspension strap.


Hmm.. I guess I just havent had long exposure to one to realize the difference. The only other decent headphone I've really tried would be the DT series headphones, which are comfortable but not non-existent feeling. You could probably spend the extra money of the difference between the HE500 and the HE560 to replace the headband anyways though. Just an idea.

 

Edit: though I don't really "feel" pressure in any part of the headband currently. The main reason I know it's there is the weight of the headphone itself. That's the only reason why I'd assume the suspension would help with that HP in particular because it is so lightweight as well.


Edited by Nimzerz - 1/8/14 at 4:06pm
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