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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

I think Nimzerz was expressing that you're not going to get sonic improvements just microphonics, visual and comfort improvements. I wouldn't classify microphonics with the conductor but instead to a bad choice in insulator or sleeving. I wonder which rocket scientist at Hifiman chose the sleeving for the stock silver cable? I wonder if this person actually uses the cans.
FYI: I find that most of the microphonics occurs on the section of wire between the split and the cans.
I think its all about how to use the available budget to built the headphones...they do know most hifiman owners buy other cables..so they dont invest much in good cable to deliver with their products but more in the phone itself...thats why they can sell the he500 for the price they do...they even sell an aftermarket cable for their headphones themselves!
post #10637 of 16448
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


I think its all about how to use the available budget to built the headphones...they do know most hifiman owners buy other cables..so they dont invest much in good cable to deliver with their products but more in the phone itself...thats why they can sell the he500 for the price they do...they even sell an aftermarket cable for their headphones themselves!

Most of the aftermarket cables have enormous profit margins. Using a better sleeving on the stock cable wouldn't break the bank, plastic and the like materials are relatively cheap. The stock cables that came on my HD600 are pretty good and have no issues with microphonics.

post #10638 of 16448
Agreed. I think it shows some kind of ignorance that nothing has been done about the cable yet.
post #10639 of 16448
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I think Nimzerz was expressing that you're not going to get sonic improvements just microphonics, visual and comfort improvements. I wouldn't classify microphonics with the conductor but instead to a bad choice in insulator or sleeving. I wonder which rocket scientist at Hifiman chose the sleeving for the stock silver cable? I wonder if this person actually uses the cans.

FYI: I find that most of the microphonics occurs on the section of wire between the split and the cans.

 

Agreed, and ditto on where the worst of the microphonics come from.

 

Guess the Chinese are glad they fired that rocket scientist before they launched their lunar mission.

post #10640 of 16448
It's really hard to go wrong with either Double Helix Cables, Forza Audio Works, or Toxic Cables. I'm a very objective reviewer, but they're all too notch when it comes to quality, and my most valued aspect, customer service.
post #10641 of 16448

Long time lurker, first time poster.  May as well be this thread in which to introduce myself...  I'll provide some impressions on my new setup seen at the bottom of my post, but I'll give some background on my ears first, as some may find it useful for perspective.

 

I started playing the drums when I was 11.  I'm 41 now.  I haven't played much in the past 14 years, but the 10 years prior to that was filled with a lot of live practices and amplified performances in a loud rock band.  I went to a LOT of shows at loud, small clubs.  As in, hearing loss-inducing loud.  At the time, I was ignorant of the kind of hearing protection that was available (I rarely used it because the foamies that I had at my disposal had, well, serious transparency issues :o ).  Fast forward to about 5 years ago when I found myself saying "What?" a lot when talking to someone who wasn't directly facing me.  I went to an audiologist a few years of enduring that and found that I have moderate loss in the 3kHz+ range; enough to warrant testing hearing aids, which I did and now have for work, primarily, where I am in a lot of meetings and teleconferences with people and straining to hear is not an fun option (Oticon Alta Pros, in case anyone was wondering).  Oh, and I have constant tinnitus to boot.  Joy.

 

In any case, despite all of the above, I still enjoy listening to music (at much lower levels these days), although I have stopped drumming.  Just don't find it as pleasurable as I used once did. While my hearing isn't what it used to be (it's amazing how our brains can adapt it's perception of sound despite high frequency loss), I have been on the casual prowl for years for a high fidelity audio (loudspeaker) system.  I have a decent system now, but I wouldn't call it high fidelity grade.  I just could never justify pulling the trigger on the amount of coin a nice system that would fill a room with sound.  (Side note:  I built a set of Overnight Sensations that I run off a Dayton DTA-1 T-amp connected to my desktop computer and it is probably the best loudspeaker sound that I have in the house.  Not bad for $150 total.)

 

So, I've casually browsed Head-Fi for a quite some time on/off again.  I finally decided that hearing loss be damned:  I'm going to see if I can improve on my Sennheiser HD 25-1s that I've been using with a FiiO E11 amp for private music/tv around the house and when I travel.  I didn't want to side-grade.  I wanted better soundstage.  More transparency.  So after reading thousands and thousands of posts on a wide variety of headphones, I finally decided on the HE-500s with an Emotiva A-100 Mini-X amp.  I've not bought a DAC yet.  I've just been using my tablet or laptop to feed the amp.  Google Music "high quality" streams, primarily (I have All Access).  I don't know that I'll be able to sense much of a difference between a high priced DAC and a budget DAC (I'm hearing impaired, remember? :) ), so I have a HiFimeDIY Sabre Tiny on order.

 

So, my impressions of my Emotiva/HiFiMan setup in one word:  Wow.  The clarity.  I can hear detail that I've never heard before.  The sound of the Mini-X relative to the E11 is more "complete" to me.  I've been sitting next to the fire for the past 5 evenings with a big smile on my face.  I think this rig is a keeper for me.  Thanks to all who chime in with their experiences on this board - without you, my wallet would be heavier, but my ears, less happy...

 

I'm probably not going to search out the "perfect" sound.  I just don't feel like my hearing can justify it, nor do I want to get into a hair-splitting exercise.  I just want to hear well-reproduced music like I've never been able to hear before and I think I found a setup that's "good enough" (barring an external DAC, just for grins.) to accomplish this.  The second best part of my whole journey was that I've bought enough stuff at Crutchfield over the past 15 years to have over 11,000 points with them, which can be turned into store credit.  I didn't even know I had it until I was looking around to see who sold the HE-500s.  I've had good luck with Crutchfield in the past and they have fallen in line with their pricing in the internet age, so I looked there and discovered the 11,000+ points turned in to $223!  So, I paid $476 out of pocket for these cans.  Surprise Christmas present to me... 

 

Anyway, I'll stop the book and maybe go listen to something...

 

 


Edited by sperho - 1/5/14 at 9:55am
post #10642 of 16448

I got Forza Noir cables for my HE-500 and HD 800 as well.  They're gorgeous cables.  I've never heard any difference between any cables ever, but I invested in these cables cause they look awesome.  And for that 'just in case' factor.  :)

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spero:

I don't think the FiiO E11's are up to the task of driving the HE-500's. For a portable the E12 can do it. Enjoy your new improved listening experience.

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Originally Posted by Kendoji View Post

I got Forza Noir cables for my HE-500 and HD 800 as well.  They're gorgeous cables.  I've never heard any difference between any cables ever, but I invested in these cables cause they look awesome.  And for that 'just in case' factor.  smily_headphones1.gif

The looks alone are worth it, lol. But seriously, the Noir looks drop dead stunning with my HE-500's.
post #10645 of 16448
Awesome. I ventured into drumming very very briefly but had no where to practice. I would just play then at my friends house using his lesson booklets haha.

When it comes to music I'm a heavy metal guy and drums are one of my favorite aspects to listen to. Something about the double bass and creative cymbal work that gets me every time.

I really like how the he500 sound with drumming. In the process of getting another amp to drive them and hopefully it brings out the bass drum and make the cymbals sound even better.
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Originally Posted by sperho View Post

Long time lurker, first time poster.  May as well be this thread in which to introduce myself...  I'll provide some impressions on my new setup seen at the bottom of my post, but I'll give some background on my ears first, as some may find it useful for perspective.

I started playing the drums when I was 11.  I'm 41 now.  I haven't played much in the past 14 years, but the 10 years prior to that was filled with a lot of live practices and amplified performances in a loud rock band.  I went to a LOT of shows at loud, small clubs.  As in, hearing loss-inducing loud.  At the time, I was ignorant of the kind of hearing protection that was available (I rarely used it because the foamies that I had at my disposal had, well, serious transparency issues redface.gif  ).  Fast forward to about 5 years ago when I found myself saying "What?" a lot when talking to someone who wasn't directly facing me.  I went to an audiologist a few years of enduring that and found that I have moderate loss in the 3kHz+ range; enough to warrant testing hearing aids, which I did and now have for work, primarily, where I am in a lot of meetings and teleconferences with people and straining to hear is not an fun option (Oticon Alta Pros, in case anyone was wondering).  Oh, and I have constant tinnitus to boot.  Joy.

In any case, despite all of the above, I still enjoy listening to music (at much lower levels these days), although I have stopped drumming.  Just don't find it as pleasurable as I used once did. While my hearing isn't what it used to be (it's amazing how our brains can adapt it's perception of sound despite high frequency loss), I have been on the casual prowl for years for a high fidelity audio (loudspeaker) system.  I have a decent system now, but I wouldn't call it high fidelity grade.  I just could never justify pulling the trigger on the amount of coin a nice system that would fill a room with sound.  (Side note:  I built a set of Overnight Sensations that I run off a Dayton DTA-1 T-amp connected to my desktop computer and it is probably the best loudspeaker sound that I have in the house.  Not bad for $150 total.)

So, I've casually browsed Head-Fi for a quite some time on/off again.  I finally decided that hearing loss be damned:  I'm going to see if I can improve on my Sennheiser HD 25-1s that I've been using with a FiiO E11 amp for private music/tv around the house and when I travel.  I didn't want to side-grade.  I wanted better soundstage.  More transparency.  So after reading thousands and thousands of posts on a wide variety of headphones, I finally decided on the HE-500s with an Emotiva A-100 Mini-X amp.  I've not bought a DAC yet.  I've just been using my tablet or laptop to feed the amp.  Google Music "high quality" streams, primarily (I have All Access).  I don't know that I'll be able to sense much of a difference between a high priced DAC and a budget DAC (I'm hearing impaired, remember? smily_headphones1.gif  ), so I have a HiFimeDIY Sabre Tiny on order.

So, my impressions of my Emotiva/HiFiMan setup in one word:  Wow.  The clarity.  I can hear detail that I've never heard before.  The sound of the Mini-X relative to the E11 is more "complete" to me.  I've been sitting next to the fire for the past 5 evenings with a big smile on my face.  I think this rig is a keeper for me.  Thanks to all who chime in with their experiences on this board - without you, my wallet would be heavier, but my ears, less happy...

I'm probably not going to search out the "perfect" sound.  I just don't feel like my hearing can justify it, nor do I want to get into a hair-splitting exercise.  I just want to hear well-reproduced music like I've never been able to hear before and I think I found a setup that's "good enough" (barring an external DAC, just for grins.) to accomplish this.  The second best part of my whole journey was that I've bought enough stuff at Crutchfield over the past 15 years to have over 11,000 points with them, which can be turned into store credit.  I didn't even know I had it until I was looking around to see who sold the HE-500s.  I've had good luck with Crutchfield in the past and they have fallen in line with their pricing in the internet age, so I looked there and discovered the 11,000+ points turned in to $223!  So, I paid $476 out of pocket for these cans.  Surprise Christmas present to me... 

Anyway, I'll stop the book and maybe go listen to something...



post #10646 of 16448
Thing is, the noir might look amazing but you could easily have someone make an OFC cable that LOOKS The same or similar for MUCH cheaper.
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Yeah probably.  But I like Forza, as Matthew seems to offer better value than other boutique cable makers and his service is great.  And I simply don't have time to DIY myself or hunt around for someone who can.

post #10648 of 16448
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post

It's really hard to go wrong with either Double Helix Cables, Forza Audio Works, or Toxic Cables. I'm a very objective reviewer, but they're all too notch when it comes to quality, and my most valued aspect, customer service.

When all good cables sound the same to my ears, what's left for me to pick one vendor over another?

 

1. Price

2. Build quality

3. Customer service.

 

In that order, too.  However, I make my own so there's really no point here.

 

@Austin Morrow, I hope you were referring to build quality.   ;)

post #10649 of 16448
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Originally Posted by sperho View Post
 

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So, my impressions of my Emotiva/HiFiMan setup in one word:  Wow.  The clarity.  I can hear detail that I've never heard before.  The sound of the Mini-X relative to the E11 is more "complete" to me.  I've been sitting next to the fire for the past 5 evenings with a big smile on my face.  I think this rig is a keeper for me.  Thanks to all who chime in with their experiences on this board - without you, my wallet would be heavier, but my ears, less happy...

 

I'm probably not going to search out the "perfect" sound.  I just don't feel like my hearing can justify it, nor do I want to get into a hair-splitting exercise.  I just want to hear well-reproduced music like I've never been able to hear before and I think I found a setup that's "good enough" (barring an external DAC, just for grins.) to accomplish this.  The second best part of my whole journey was that I've bought enough stuff at Crutchfield over the past 15 years to have over 11,000 points with them, which can be turned into store credit.  I didn't even know I had it until I was looking around to see who sold the HE-500s.  I've had good luck with Crutchfield in the past and they have fallen in line with their pricing in the internet age, so I looked there and discovered the 11,000+ points turned in to $223!  So, I paid $476 out of pocket for these cans.  Surprise Christmas present to me... 

 

Anyway, I'll stop the book and maybe go listen to something...

 

 

 Gratz, your experience and instruments you play mirror my personally experience very much.  You probably read my posts in which I kept calling the sound signature of the HE500/Emotiva combo "band practice" and "lively".  Enjoy your music :beerchug: 

post #10650 of 16448
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

spero:

I don't think the FiiO E11's are up to the task of driving the HE-500's. For a portable the E12 can do it. Enjoy your new improved listening experience.

Indeed, the E11 is marginal with the HE-500s.  If I need portability, I'll take my Senny's and the E11 (I don't want to venture too far from my listening chair with the HEs! :)

 

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 Gratz, your experience and instruments you play mirror my personally experience very much.  You probably read my posts in which I kept calling the sound signature of the HE500/Emotiva combo "band practice" and "lively".  Enjoy your music :beerchug: 

Yes, I recall your username in the mini-x thread.  Lot of good info there - thanks for helping...

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