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post #10516 of 14174
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 

Good to know!  Below is a crude measurement done on my cell using AudioTool.  It does goes in line with what you are suggesting to some extent.  Thx Jerg.

 

Is that raw data or have you applied a compensation curve?

post #10517 of 14174

tl:dr I can't handle the apparent lack of bass and piercing treble of my new HE-500s. What do I replace them with, or should everyone just point and laugh at me because of what I'm driving them with, or are my pair 'broken'?

 

For Christmas I thought I'd treat myself to a set of expensive-ish 'phones - always good, right? 2013 was crap, and I can't listen to music though speakers, so I need some good Head-Fi :)

 

Please note, these are my subjective opinions. I'm trying to describe my experiences, I'm not criticising you, your kit, your tastes or your ears :) I genuinely want to get to the bottom of my issues with the HE-500s...

 

I'd looked at the threads on the Audeze LCD-3/2/X and the Senn HD-800, but the consensus (and some suggestions/recommendations from folks here) pointed me towards the HE-500s, based on the music I mostly listen to (guitars, indie/alternative/rock/folk, mix of male/female vocals - in no way the ultimate in 'fidelity'), plus my too-much-loud-music-as-a-youth screwed up hearing.

 

They arrived the day after Boxing Day (27th) and I eagerly strapped them on. Initial thoughts - 1. they're not as heavy/uncomfortable as I thought they might be. 2. these cables are *appalling* I can hear every single bit of contact they make with, well, anything and everything. 3. Where's the bass? Seriously, where's the bass? I *know* these tracks I'm listening to have drums and bass guitar on them, but I'm struggling to hear it. 4. The treble. Oh.My.God. It's actually making me wince. I can't listen to this.

 

So. I 'burn them in'. Four days straight of playing classical/operatic music at a decent volume through them while they're wrapped in a duvet. Let's call it 100 hours all in.

 

There's still no bass.The treble is still wince-inducing - too often tinny/metallic/sibilant/piercing/ or sounding like I'm listening with my head in a bucket. There's a track by a folk singer named Georgia Ruth called 'Week of Pines'. It's lovely, sweet, melodic, tuneful and with a good bass 'thump'. Until I listen to it through the '500s. I'd almost go as far as to say the treble hurts. I've now listened to a lot of stuff through them (Queen, Replacements, Blondie, Ezio, Beatles, My Bloody Valentine, even Sibelius, for example), and it pretty much all sounds subjectively less 'musical'/'enjoyable' than through my DX50/JDS C5/V-Moda M-80 portable kit. If I crank up the volume 'til I can hear some bass, the volume makes my ears ring.

 

Listening through my cheaper kit gets my foot tapping. Listening through the '500s puts my teeth on edge.

 

So here we are. Looks like someone in the UK is going to get a very good deal on a nearly-new pair of '500s in the classifieds. But what do I replace them with? It looks like I need something less 'accurate' than the '500s are. Less - - - and more \__, or maybe even |__, if that makes sense :)

 

Or do I just need to try and get them replaced as they seem to sound so different to how other people hear them?

 

(Bit of background - all music is FLAC, ripped by me from CD using EAC/AccurateRip. Music is stored on a NAS connected by wired ethernet to a Squeezbox Touch. Amps have included Schiit Asgard mk1, JDS Labs O2, Graham Slee Solo. I've got a Lake People G109-S on the way. If they sound this bad through that they're getting sold, no matter what. Other 'phones I've heard include M-80, HD600, UM3X, ATH-W1000X, Apple Earpods(!))

 

BTW, I have a feeling that the phrase 'Emotiva mini-X a-100' may be used at least once in any replies to this :). Please note that I'm not paying what will turn out to be >$400 for an amp that you can get for $169 in the US (postage+tax+customs+FedEx 'charges' for me over here in the UK). If the '500s are that sensitive to choice of amp then I'm selling them on principle - and serves me right.


Edited by Stonephace - 1/2/14 at 12:32pm
post #10518 of 14174

^ return your HE500 and get something else.  If they are not defective, they might not be for you and your sonic preference.  It's simple as that.

Gluck!

post #10519 of 14174
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Originally Posted by Stonephace View Post

tl:dr I can't handle the apparent lack of bass and piercing treble of my new HE-500s. What do I replace them with, or should everyone just point and laugh at me because of what I'm driving them with, or are my pair 'broken'?

For Christmas I thought I'd treat myself to a set of expensive-ish 'phones - always good, right? 2013 was crap, and I can't listen to music though speakers, so I need some good Head-Fi smily_headphones1.gif

Please note, these are my subjective opinions. I'm trying to describe my experiences, I'm not criticising you, your kit, your tastes or your ears smily_headphones1.gif I genuinely want to get to the bottom of my issues with the HE-500s...

I'd looked at the threads on the Audeze LCD-3/2/X and the Senn HD-800, but the consensus (and some suggestions/recommendations from folks here) pointed me towards the HE-500s, based on the music I mostly listen to (guitars, indie/alternative/rock/folk, mix of male/female vocals - in no way the ultimate in 'fidelity'), plus my too-much-loud-music-as-a-youth screwed up hearing.

They arrived the day after Boxing Day (27th) and I eagerly strapped them on. Initial thoughts - 1. they're not as heavy/uncomfortable as I thought they might be. 2. these cables are *appalling* I can hear every single bit of contact they make with, well, anything and everything. 3. Where's the bass? Seriously, where's the bass? I *know* these tracks I'm listening to have drums and bass guitar on them, but I'm struggling to hear it. 4. The treble. Oh.My.God. It's actually making me wince. I can't listen to this.

So. I 'burn them in'. Four days straight of playing classical/operatic music at a decent volume through them while they're wrapped in a duvet. Let's call it 100 hours all in.

There's still no bass.The treble is still wince-inducing - too often tinny/metallic/sibilant/piercing/ or sounding like I'm listening with my head in a bucket. There's a track by a folk singer named Georgia Ruth called 'Week of Pines'. It's lovely, sweet, melodic, tuneful and with a good bass 'thump'. Until I listen to it through the '500s. I'd almost go as far as to say the treble hurts. I've now listened to a lot of stuff through them (Queen, Replacements, Blondie, Ezio, Beatles, My Bloody Valentine, even Sibelius, for example), and it pretty much all sounds subjectively less 'musical'/'enjoyable' than through my DX50/JDS C5/V-Moda M-80 portable kit. If I crank up the volume 'til I can hear some bass, the volume makes my ears ring.

Listening through my cheaper kit gets my foot tapping. Listening through the '500s puts my teeth on edge.

So here we are. Looks like someone in the UK is going to get a very good deal on a nearly-new pair of '500s in the classifieds. But what do I replace them with? It looks like I need something less 'accurate' than the '500s are. Less - - - and more \__, or maybe even |__, if that makes sense smily_headphones1.gif

Or do I just need to try and get them replaced as they seem to sound so different to how other people hear them?

(Bit of background - all music is FLAC, ripped by me from CD using EAC/AccurateRip. Music is stored on a NAS connected by wired ethernet to a Squeezbox Touch. Amps have included Schiit Asgard mk1, JDS Labs O2, Graham Slee Solo. I've got a Lake People G109-S on the way. If they sound this bad through that they're getting sold, no matter what. Other 'phones I've heard include M-80, HD600, UM3X, ATH-W1000X, Apple Earpods(!))

BTW, I have a feeling that the phrase 'Emotiva mini-X a-100' may be used at least once in any replies to this smily_headphones1.gif. Please note that I'm not paying what will turn out to be >$400 for an amp that you can get for $169 in the US (postage+tax+customs+FedEx 'charges' for me over here in the UK). If the '500s are that sensitive to choice of amp then I'm selling them on principle - and serves me right.
Am sorry to hear that..but am afraid ur in bad luck ur not willing to buy an amp overseas or from china (and the extra costs included).. The only amp i know of being sold here in europe and affordable able to drive the he500 is the hifiman EF5.. Toxic cables in ur UK is dealer for all the hifiman stuff in ur country...maybe u can try to contact them?
As its a shame ur letting this really wonderful headphone because of amp issues and principle..this headphone is really punching way above its pricepoint..and the bass is very good..not as deep as a dr. Beats or the audezes. But i feel this phone is more balanced..imho ofcourse.

Good luck with it.
post #10520 of 14174
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

^ return your HE500 and get something else.  If they are not defective, they might not be for you and your sonic preference.  It's simple as that.

Gluck!

 

Yeah. That's pretty much the decision I've already made. If I wait for the G109-S, which should, by all accounts drive them with room to spare and therefore not 'compromise' their sound quality, I'll probably miss the window for returning them to the retailer.

 

Decisions, decisions... :(

post #10521 of 14174
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Originally Posted by Stonephace View Post
 

 

Yeah. That's pretty much the decision I've already made. If I wait for the G109-S, which should, by all accounts drive them with room to spare and therefore not 'compromise' their sound quality, I'll probably miss the window for returning them to the retailer.

 

Decisions, decisions... :(

They might be defective.. Is there a hifi store nearby where you can listen to the HE-500 with a amp?

post #10522 of 14174
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Originally Posted by Stonephace

 

Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

^ return your HE500 and get something else.  If they are not defective, they might not be for you and your sonic preference.  It's simple as that.

Gluck!

+1

And do not bother with other amps, it will be a waste of time & money

post #10523 of 14174

Any local head-fiers around with a hefty amp that could drive HE500?  Honestly, even with the amps you have, you should not be lacking bass and having such bad high to the extent you are experiencing.  On high gain, my little Fiio E17 DAC/amp can do ok with the HE500 though it can't be compared to speaker amps or more pwrful HP amps.

 

The other thing is to have someone else you know/trust to listen to the HE500 and see what he/she thinks.  Do you consider yourself a "bass head" in anyway?

post #10524 of 14174
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Any local head-fiers around with a hefty amp that could drive HE500?  Honestly, even with the amps you have, you should not be lacking bass and having such bad high to the extent you are experiencing.  On high gain, my little Fiio E17 DAC/amp can do ok with the HE500 though it can't be compared to speaker amps or more pwrful HP amps.

 

The other thing is to have someone else you know/trust to listen to the HE500 and see what he/she thinks.  Do you consider yourself a "bass head" in anyway?

 

I wish there was someone local who could listen to them and give me a second opinion, but sadly, there isn't anyone like that. All I have to go on is my own flawed, subjective opinion.

 

'Bass head'? Not sure - based on my reaction to the '500s compared to (my understanding of) the consensus view, I must be...

 

So where do I go from here? Suppose I do still have £750/$1250 to spend (though probably quite a bit less now), what are the 'bass head' phones at that price point? :)

post #10525 of 14174
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Any local head-fiers around with a hefty amp that could drive HE500?  Honestly, even with the amps you have, you should not be lacking bass and having such bad high to the extent you are experiencing.  On high gain, my little Fiio E17 DAC/amp can do ok with the HE500 though it can't be compared to speaker amps or more pwrful HP amps.

 

The other thing is to have someone else you know/trust to listen to the HE500 and see what he/she thinks.  Do you consider yourself a "bass head" in anyway?

My FiiO E12 can drive them well. I put them on the speaker taps of my 65 Watts RMS/Channel Technics last night and one wrong turn of the volume control and there'd be nothing left of me except a pair of smoking shoes. In either case I get gobs of bass. I wonder what went awry for Stonephace????

post #10526 of 14174
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Originally Posted by Stonephace View Post
 

 

I wish there was someone local who could listen to them and give me a second opinion, but sadly, there isn't anyone like that. All I have to go on is my own flawed, subjective opinion.

 

'Bass head'? Not sure - based on my reaction to the '500s compared to (my understanding of) the consensus view, I must be...

 

So where do I go from here? Suppose I do still have £750/$1250 to spend (though probably quite a bit less now), what are the 'bass head' phones at that price point? :)

Probably get a closed can instead of a open can. Maybe Fostex Th600/900?

post #10527 of 14174
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Originally Posted by Stonephace View Post
 

 

I wish there was someone local who could listen to them and give me a second opinion, but sadly, there isn't anyone like that. All I have to go on is my own flawed, subjective opinion.

 

'Bass head'? Not sure - based on my reaction to the '500s compared to (my understanding of) the consensus view, I must be...

 

So where do I go from here? Suppose I do still have £750/$1250 to spend (though probably quite a bit less now), what are the 'bass head' phones at that price point? :)

I think that once you up the ante you're looking more at audiophile cans then basshead cans. Perhaps you might be happier with a less expensive closed back design that pumps out more bass. Although you might miss the soundstage of open back cans. Got to get what makes you happy, not the wiseguys on Head-Fi :D Before you toss in the towel, did you try to EQ up the bass below 100hz?

post #10528 of 14174
I love the he500 was wondering if the he600 was a much better phone anyone compare the 2
post #10529 of 14174
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Originally Posted by Textfeud View Post
 

Probably get a closed can instead of a open can. Maybe Fostex Th600/900?

Or a (used) Denon 2000

post #10530 of 14174
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Originally Posted by i019791 View Post
 

Or a (used) Denon 2000

I have a Denon D5000 coming that I might sell if I don't like it, so better wait for that one then :tongue_smile:

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