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post #10501 of 14529
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

How does a headphone that has excellent FR, low distortion and sound great change the sound of a crappy recording and make it sound good? I don't think that the HE-500 colors sound, if it did I don't think it wouldn't be so popular.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Contrails View Post
 

 

 

Yes, but it's not a detail extracting freak like the HD800.  Average recordings will sound bad on the Hd800, average recordings with a good amp will sound good on the He500.  

That's a bit extreme. Have you spent much time listening to the HD800? I have. It will point out the weaknesses any recording but not obliterate an average recording.

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Average recordings don't sound that great with the HE-500 on a speaker amp, IMHO.

post #10503 of 14529
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

Average recordings don't sound that great with the HE-500 on a speaker amp, IMHO.

That's because they sound average and we can tell the difference. That doesn't mean they sound bad.

Edit: Last night, I briefly hooked up my HE-500's to a vintage Technics SA-5470 and it sounded promising. I'll have to make a better permanent connection to the Aux. Speakers tap rather than the juryrig that I did. I think that 65W RMS per channel is more than enough. :eek:


Edited by StanD - 1/2/14 at 7:32am
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I'm sure I'm a relative noob compared to most when it comes to comparing cans, but I've got a lot of music under my belt.  This concept of detail "extraction" (paging the Death Dentist ;-) is interesting.  One of my fav songwriters/guitarists/sometimes-one-man-bands is Nick Saloman (AKA, The Bevis Frond).  Great English psychedelic rock with occasional fits of trad. folkiness thrown in for good measure.  A lot of his stuff is self-recorded (and self-released), but his catalog is extensive.  Some of it has fine production values, while others are a bit on the thin, self-produced side.  North Circular is one in the latter category.  Some brilliant songs, but on certain cans it's... difficult to listen to.

 

I was comparing that album between Q701s (forget that schiit!), HE-500s (not bad, but lack of low-end in the recording is exposed; still, not as harsh as with the Qs), and the HD 650s.  The Senns tamed it a bit and give it a little oomph.  I think I was using '67 Orange Globes in my Lyr.

 

Now there are albums that lose the upper mids and overall energy with HD 650s, whereas they shine on HE-500s.  And to me, between those three cans, the HE-500s tend to find the happy middle ground between energy, detail and accuracy.  But in the end, they all have a place, even the 650s, about which I'm still on the fence, though sliding off onto the side of keeping them.

 

Haven't heard the HD 800s.  I'd be willing to test someone's out ;)

post #10505 of 14529
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

I'm sure I'm a relative noob compared to most when it comes to comparing cans, but I've got a lot of music under my belt.  This concept of detail "extraction" (paging the Death Dentist ;-) is interesting.  One of my fav songwriters/guitarists/sometimes-one-man-bands is Nick Saloman (AKA, The Bevis Frond).  Great English psychedelic rock with occasional fits of trad. folkiness thrown in for good measure.  A lot of his stuff is self-recorded (and self-released), but his catalog is extensive.  Some of it has fine production values, while others are a bit on the thin, self-produced side.  North Circular is one in the latter category.  Some brilliant songs, but on certain cans it's... difficult to listen to.

 

I was comparing that album between Q701s (forget that schiit!), HE-500s (not bad, but lack of low-end in the recording is exposed; still, not as harsh as with the Qs), and the HD 650s.  The Senns tamed it a bit and give it a little oomph.  I think I was using '67 Orange Globes in my Lyr.

 

Now there are albums that lose the upper mids and overall energy with HD 650s, whereas they shine on HE-500s.  And to me, between those three cans, the HE-500s tend to find the happy middle ground between energy, detail and accuracy.  But in the end, they all have a place, even the 650s, about which I'm still on the fence, though sliding off onto the side of keeping them.

 

Haven't heard the HD 800s.  I'd be willing to test someone's out ;)

Back when I auditioned the HD800s, it just sounded like 50% treble, 30% mids, and 20% bass. It was very jarring next to all the Hifimans and Audezes at that session. I think HD800s really need modding or aggressive EQ to remove that treble emphasis.

post #10506 of 14529
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

I'm sure I'm a relative noob compared to most when it comes to comparing cans, but I've got a lot of music under my belt.  This concept of detail "extraction" (paging the Death Dentist ;-) is interesting.  One of my fav songwriters/guitarists/sometimes-one-man-bands is Nick Saloman (AKA, The Bevis Frond).  Great English psychedelic rock with occasional fits of trad. folkiness thrown in for good measure.  A lot of his stuff is self-recorded (and self-released), but his catalog is extensive.  Some of it has fine production values, while others are a bit on the thin, self-produced side.  North Circular is one in the latter category.  Some brilliant songs, but on certain cans it's... difficult to listen to.

 

I was comparing that album between Q701s (forget that schiit!), HE-500s (not bad, but lack of low-end in the recording is exposed; still, not as harsh as with the Qs), and the HD 650s.  The Senns tamed it a bit and give it a little oomph.  I think I was using '67 Orange Globes in my Lyr.

 

Now there are albums that lose the upper mids and overall energy with HD 650s, whereas they shine on HE-500s.  And to me, between those three cans, the HE-500s tend to find the happy middle ground between energy, detail and accuracy.  But in the end, they all have a place, even the 650s, about which I'm still on the fence, though sliding off onto the side of keeping them.

 

Haven't heard the HD 800s.  I'd be willing to test someone's out ;)

Don't you find that the treble response of the HD650's a little rolled off? That may be why you say, "Now there are albums that lose the upper mids and overall energy with HD 650s"

post #10507 of 14529
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Back when I auditioned the HD800s, it just sounded like 50% treble, 30% mids, and 20% bass. It was very jarring next to all the Hifimans and Audezes at that session. I think HD800s really need modding or aggressive EQ to remove that treble emphasis.

Yeah I've definitely had that experience with my HD800s if I put them on immediately after the HE-500s, but it works both ways. Once my brain has burned in with the Sennheisers, I experience the sound as totally neutral and balanced, and nicely weighty when needed. If I then jump to the HE-500s the Hifimans sound congested and muffled in comparison. Ultimately I love them both.

The HE-500s have more instant appeal in my experience. I think the HD800s are more likely to need time to grow on you.
post #10508 of 14529
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post
 

I agree with David and prepoman. I don't give a **** if people consider HE-500 summit-fi or not. You guys should stop worrying about this stupid "labeling"


I personally don't care either because I know exactly how the HE500 stacks up against HD800 and other top end HPs.  IMO, tt's the putting down of the HE500 from people who often think their summit-fi HPs are way better.

post #10509 of 14529
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Back when I auditioned the HD800s, it just sounded like 50% treble, 30% mids, and 20% bass. It was very jarring next to all the Hifimans and Audezes at that session. I think HD800s really need modding or aggressive EQ to remove that treble emphasis.


That doesn't seem to be the case anymore, at least with my unit.  When I received my HD800 recently, I was hunting for the spiked treble and light bass specifically but failed.  I was pretty sure I didn't have "new toy" symptom.  Yesterday, I received the freq. response graph from Sein.  and the graph confirmed what I am hearing.  It's kind of really interesting.

 

post #10510 of 14529
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 


That doesn't seem to be the case anymore, at least with my unit.  When I received my HD800 recently, I was hunting for the spiked treble and light bass specifically but failed.  I was pretty sure I didn't have "new toy" symptom.  Yesterday, I received the freq. response graph from Sein.  and the graph confirmed what I am hearing.  It's kind of really interesting.

 

That only looks flat (and has always been flat since HD800s were conceived) because Sennheiser uses its own compensation algorithm, in a way the HD800s are tuned specifically to look flat with that compensation.

 

Any third-party measurement (GoldenEars, InnerFidelity, a few others, which all have differing compensations mind you) reveals a drastically different FR, where there is a gentle hump between 20Hz and 2kHz centered around 400 Hz, then a big jump up around 3-4kHz, with a flat but considerable emphasis between 5kHz and mid-teens-kHz.

 

I feel Audeze's inhouse measurement plots are more true to what the FRs actually are. Sennheiser's are really, really off IMO, deceptively so.

post #10511 of 14529
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Don't you find that the treble response of the HD650's a little rolled off? That may be why you say, "Now there are albums that lose the upper mids and overall energy with HD 650s"

 

I do, and sometimes I don't like that, but as noted in my example, it's not always a bad thing, at least to my ears.  If it's too much, I've got the HE-500s and Q701s to go to.  Hell, even the Grados, hanging all alone on a wall ;)  I got the HD 650s specifically for their "mellow" approach.  They are pretty much what I expected.  I might end up on the other side of that fence and sell them, but I kinda doubt it.  Thankfully (I hear my wife cry! ;-) I think I'm done buying cans for a while.  Now, those OPPO planar magnetics... :eek:  Of course, they may sound like schiit ;)

post #10512 of 14529
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

That only looks flat (and has always been flat since HD800s were conceived) because Sennheiser uses its own compensation algorithm, in a way the HD800s are tuned specifically to look flat with that compensation.

 

Any third-party measurement (GoldenEars, InnerFidelity, a few others, which all have differing compensations mind you) reveals a drastically different FR, where there is a gentle hump between 20Hz and 2kHz centered around 400 Hz, then a big jump up around 3-4kHz, with a flat but considerable emphasis between 5kHz and mid-teens-kHz.

 

I feel Audeze's inhouse measurement plots are more true to what the FRs actually are. Sennheiser's are really, really off IMO, deceptively so.

 

Good to know!  Below is a crude measurement done on my cell using AudioTool.  It does goes in line with what you are suggesting to some extent.  Thx Jerg.

 

post #10513 of 14529
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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

I do, and sometimes I don't like that, but as noted in my example, it's not always a bad thing, at least to my ears.  If it's too much, I've got the HE-500s and Q701s to go to.  Hell, even the Grados, hanging all alone on a wall ;)  I got the HD 650s specifically for their "mellow" approach.  They are pretty much what I expected.  I might end up on the other side of that fence and sell them, but I kinda doubt it.  Thankfully (I hear my wife cry! ;-) I think I'm done buying cans for a while.  Now, those OPPO planar magnetics... :eek:  Of course, they may sound like schiit ;)

They may sound like schiit, but they do look nice, at least in the pictures. :D 

Sounds like your wife will not allow any more monkey business.

post #10514 of 14529
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 

Good to know!  Below is a crude measurement done on my cell using AudioTool.  It does goes in line with what you are suggesting to some extent.  Thx Jerg.

 

What do you use for a microphone or for picking up from the cans? You have one of those plastic heads with mics in the ears? :basshead:

post #10515 of 14529
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

They may sound like schiit, but they do look nice, at least in the pictures. :D 

Sounds like your wife will not allow any more monkey business.

 

Exactly.  Wonder how they'll price them.  They remind of a very nicely designed German car, for some reason.

 

LOL.  Only The Main Monkey Business (now you be a good boy and go listen to that Rush song! ;-)

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