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That's not the philosophy for summit-fi though, to qualify for summit-fi on this site, you need headphones that sound like crap on entry-level systems and only sound appropriate on systems that cost a few grand, or any electrostatic headphones for some reason.
So u mean the he5, the he6,lcd3, he90 (orpheus), that new spider like extremey expensive headphone and any of the staxes which need dedicated amps u cant use for any other headphones not being stax?. biggrin.gif
post #10457 of 14656
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Yep could be..but as long i get what i want..i dont mind (remember he upgraded my amp without any extra costs..so with my amp his profit margin got less by a big margin now)..and he could advise me more expensive stuff..but instead he didnt .

So i respect he has to make a living and keep a healthy business...
But if i compare his products to other higher end brands and see the insides of those amps (who look extremely expensive from the outside).well...u know what i mean..


By the way..ray samuels makes standard products that come from a productionline..and most of his products are priced towards most of us....so he sells hugely!! And as his products are standard and easily made by a productionline he can save hugely... Am sure the emotiva owner is extremely rich by now also...as millions bought his most budget amp..that amp is probably made almost totally without human labor..so costs are low...

As i once said...i am a procurement specialist for more then 20years now..and my experience is that the more mass production is used..the higher the profit for the manufacturer earns in total... Its easier to earn 50usd on a 209usd amp (bing put together in a few hours)sold a million times then 500usd on a 3000usd amp sold only 30 times a year (that takes at least 2 weeks to built each)

Now, be careful.  Defending your unknown, high $ amp that nobody including yourself has even listened to is ok but do not start going after other amps in the manner of your post.

You do sound like you are grasping onto everything starting from your builder's reputation, how much components in side the amp.... to sincerely hope that your investment will pay off.

TBH, nobody would know if the amp doesn't turn out the way you want it.  For you, you can easily and psychologically convince yourself into believing "this is the best amp ever" after paying that much.  Nothing against you buddy, I really hope it will work out for you too.  Knowing you and your 337 long enough and speaking from the experience,  there's no way this new amp can be anything but "the best"

 

Also, there's no need to be a procurement specialist to understand the mass production vs. profit margin.  It's quite common sense for many people.  It's simple math really.

 

Happy new year and chill out before we all get somewhere we shouldn't be in our conversation.

post #10458 of 14656
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


So u mean the he5, the he6,lcd3, he90 (orpheus), that new spider like extremey expensive headphone and any of the staxes which need dedicated amps u cant use for any other headphones not being stax?. biggrin.gif

Heck, even the Kingsound 'stats, which got largely negative reviews/impressions both from measurements and auditions, have their thread spot in summit-fi, because it is electrostatic and so "boutique". I think summit-fi is about exclusivity and elitism, not that that's good or bad, it's just the way the Head-fi admins want to keep that subforum in.

 

If HE500s are priced at $1200 instead, and aren't marketed as being efficient / easy to drive, it would have a permanent spot in that subforum.


Edited by jerg - 1/1/14 at 10:08am
post #10459 of 14656
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

That's not the philosophy for summit-fi though, to qualify for summit-fi on this site, you need headphones that sound like crap on entry-level systems and only sound appropriate on systems that cost a few grand, or any electrostatic headphones for some reason.

lmao jerg, I have found that out really early on but personally never cared too much about it.  Back again in an audio related hobby, I have learned my lessons in the past.  3rd time is a charm as they say.

post #10460 of 14656
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

Heck, even the Kingsound 'stats, which got largely negative reviews/impressions both from measurements and auditions, have their thread spot in summit-fi, because it is electrostatic and so "boutique". I think summit-fi is about exclusivity and elitism, not that that's good or bad, it's just the way the Head-fi admins want to keep that subforum in.

 

If HE500s are priced at $1200 instead, and aren't marketed as being efficient / easy to drive, it would have a permanent spot in that subforum.

I wonder why LCD-X and LCD-XC immediately got put into summit fi subforum cuz they don't meet your 2nd criteria  :p.  I can't think of a reason yet beside the price tags.  I hope to listen to them at the next meet.

post #10461 of 14656
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I wonder why LCD-X and LCD-XC immediately got put into summit fi subforum cuz they don't meet your 2nd criteria  tongue.gif .  I can't think of a reason yet beside the price tags.  I hope to listen to them at the next meet.
Price AND probably branding..audeze and stax is standard considered summit fi by our moderators as far i can see it.. Whether u agree with it or not.. I get a feeling its all personal taste and pricing what moderators decide to put them in summit fi or not.

I myself know the he500 when being driven by the right amp can be a real killer phone.. I loved that phone..
For me..the he500 is high end.. It was once..when its pricetag was 899euro... It was so good people were choosing the he500 above the he6.., and its rumored that the price reduction of the he500 was only to protect the he6 sales back then...but its never proven... But it did make the moderators act to kick it out of summit fi...could that be the reason? As the phone didnt get worse..
post #10462 of 14656
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Let me say it differently...a GTR Is considered extremely value for money compared to its competitors..eventhough it costs more then 100,000usd..ofcourse a hyundai is more value for money..moneywise..

Its all about compared to its competitors... If we would comparing value for money..just for the sake of money..then a 5euro bud u buy at a supermarket would be the winner handsdown..no matter how much headaches u get from it....
But in the end its the feeling u get having it...i am now jumping up and down waiting for my new amp..i didnt have this feeling when i was waiting for my 337 or my matrix mstage biggrin.gif

We are all different..one wants and can pay for expesive stuff..others dont or dont want... wink.gif


5 euro bud you mean... budweiser? 5 EURO?

Ouch. And I thought that beer was overpriced here in Brazil...

And yeah, I get what you mean. But I think there's a limit for everything, and past that limit, some things just doesn't seem very reasonable. But that's just me.

Btw, for all the americans reading this. I envy you for having the best Lager in the world:

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5 euro bud you mean... budweiser? 5 EURO?


Ouch. And I thought that beer was overpriced here in Brazil...


And yeah, I get what you mean. But I think there's a limit for everything, and past that limit, some things just doesn't seem very reasonable. But that's just me.


Btw, for all the americans reading this. I envy you for having the best Lager in the world:



Which reminds me: It's New Year's Day and I'm off out to get rat*****.
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Price AND probably branding..audeze and stax is standard considered summit fi by our moderators as far i can see it.. Whether u agree with it or not.. I get a feeling its all personal taste and pricing what moderators decide to put them in summit fi or not.

I myself know the he500 when being driven by the right amp can be a real killer phone.. I loved that phone..
For me..the he500 is high end.. It was once..when its pricetag was 899euro... It was so good people were choosing the he500 above the he6.., and its rumored that the price reduction of the he500 was only to protect the he6 sales back then...but its never proven... But it did make the moderators act to kick it out of summit fi...could that be the reason? As the phone didnt get worse..

Now, that's a procurement specialist's talk.  :beerchug:

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

Now, be careful.  Defending your unknown, high $ amp that nobody including yourself has even listened to is ok but do not start going after other amps in the manner of your post.
You do sound like you are grasping onto everything starting from your builder's reputation, how much components in side the amp.... to sincerely hope that your investment will pay off.
TBH, nobody would know if the amp doesn't turn out the way you want it.  For you, you can easily and psychologically convince yourself into believing "this is the best amp ever" after paying that much.  Nothing against you buddy, I really hope it will work out for you too.  Knowing you and your 337 long enough and speaking from the experience,  there's no way this new amp can be anything but "the best"

Also, there's no need to be a procurement specialist to understand the mass production vs. profit margin.  It's quite common sense for many people.  It's simple math really.

Happy new year and chill out before we all get somewhere we shouldn't be in our conversation.
I completely agre with u..i used the wrong words..my apologies..i never said its best amp...it will sound good..but proably not best u can get...but for me it will be endgame headphone material..but next year (2015) i will be having a speaker rig in my new house.

Concerning u mentioning my 337 again:
...i got a thank u pm from the new owner of my 337 and he is using it with his he500 and hd800(he says his he6 is a bit to much..lolz).. And he says he loves it very much and that it sounds above expectations... he even likes pairing it with his hd800 more then his violectric...did i brainwash him or is that amp really a hidden gem (like i always said) .of which almost no one believes how good it reallly is?
am glad this headfi member knows now biggrin.gif
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Which reminds me: It's New Year's Day and I'm off out to get rat*****.


If I put one more drop of alcohol in my mouth, my liver will jump out of my body and run away.

post #10467 of 14656
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

I wonder why LCD-X and LCD-XC immediately got put into summit fi subforum cuz they don't meet your 2nd criteria  :p.  I can't think of a reason yet beside the price tags.  I hope to listen to them at the next meet.

Yeah if the price of the cans are prohibitively high already, it overrides the criterion about prohibitively expensive upstream setup for qualifying summit-fi.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Price AND probably branding..audeze and stax is standard considered summit fi by our moderators as far i can see it.. Whether u agree with it or not.. I get a feeling its all personal taste and pricing what moderators decide to put them in summit fi or not.

I myself know the he500 when being driven by the right amp can be a real killer phone.. I loved that phone..
For me..the he500 is high end.. It was once..when its pricetag was 899euro... It was so good people were choosing the he500 above the he6.., and its rumored that the price reduction of the he500 was only to protect the he6 sales back then...but its never proven... But it did make the moderators act to kick it out of summit fi...could that be the reason? As the phone didnt get worse..
Not exactly, LCD2 threads were moved out of summit-fi on the same day HE500s were.
post #10468 of 14656
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post
 


20k is expensive even for a speaker amp. You can get some great speakers for half that price.

About Orpheus: http://www.head-fi.org/t/697285/fs-sennheiser-he90-orpheus-electrostatic-headphone

Also: http://www.htforum.com/vb/showthread.php/165415-Sennheiser-Orpheus-HE90-HeadAmp-Aristaeus?highlight=orpheus

R$ 28,000 =~ U$12,000

 

As someone who works with and has set up professional amplifiers at major amphitheaters for years, builds speakers, and measures speakers for fun,  I know Rookie is getting screwed a good $15,000+ on that $20,000 amp. I have two speakers pushing 400w each (overkill) + two 18" subwoofers bridged at 1800W all off the same amplifier, which cost me $450. Frequency response and distortion figures showed minimal (if any) differences compared to the Emotiva XPA-5 and Krell Evolution 402e ($12,000). The biggest measured changes actually came from switching to Trinnov EQ/Remap modes via my receiver per each amp, not the amps in general. It also took close to 115db to see any differences... which if you haven't sat in a small room at 115db for long, is intolerable.

 

If you truly believe you can't get that performance or design from an amp built for $15,000 less, than go right ahead and purchase it. Who am I to tell anyone how to spend their money?


Edited by bhazard - 1/1/14 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by themad View Post

So... back in topic, guys?


Anyone modded the He-500 headband with those cushions from the Sennheiser HD650?

 

I saw your post!!!  ;)

 

Haven't tried the HD 650 pads, as I'm not convinced I'm keeping mine, but I did just modify my super cheap headband pad (wow! price went way up) to be shorter (trimmed off the two snaps on the ends) and substituted thinner foam (not the spongy kind that's in there).  Haven't had much head time with it yet, but I've got a little more room on the sliding parts, and the fit seems better.  It's a compromise between the stock headband, which gives me the best fit, and having a little extra padding, but not too much.  Looking for the Goldilocks Zone, but then, aren't we all :darthsmile:

 

Carry on with Summit Fi.  It's fun to read about stuff I'll never own.


Edited by ThurstonX - 1/1/14 at 12:00pm
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Regarding headphones and headphone amps, DACs: We'd think that a high end, call that expensive, product is all profit, These sell at low quantities compared to the more moderately priced similar products. The cost of engineering and production setup has to be spread across far less sales, so the prices gets inflated relative to products that sell in larger volume. Fancy enclosures for amps and DACs are not cheap to setup for or manufacture, the molding of plastic components or forming of metal components for headphones might even be more expensive to get done. Now it's up to you to ask yourself is that product worth the price and how does it factor into the law of diminishing returns. Make your value judgement.


Edited by StanD - 1/1/14 at 12:20pm
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