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The amp looks good thus far.  Gilbert has a great rep as well.  However, I would look at getting an external DAC and not having it built in.  

 

This will give you the ability to find a DAC that will suit your needs the best.  DACs improve much faster than amps do.  You will have that amp for years to come.  During that time you can change out DACs as they improve.

 

Just something to think about.

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So... back in topic, guys?


Anyone modded the He-500 headband with those cushions from the Sennheiser HD650?
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Not very high compared to the costs he has to make for parts and the labor (employees)..ofcourse its huge price tag biggrin.gif



Maybe. My guess is that he has a quite high profit percentage.

In the past some people led me to believe that amp makers didn't profit that much. Then I saw this: http://www.lambopower.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t62965.html

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The amp looks good thus far.  Gilbert has a great rep as well.  However, I would look at getting an external DAC and not having it built in.  

This will give you the ability to find a DAC that will suit your needs the best.  DACs improve much faster than amps do.  You will have that amp for years to come.  During that time you can change out DACs as they improve.

Just something to think about.
I understand what u mean..but this amp is also made out of budget reasons..another quality case for the dac would increase the price even higher! So HE ADVISED to put it internal and in so keep the signal extremely short, benefitting the sound the best! And to be honest..i wouldnt have the space for it as i am also getting a PLC thingee FX2. So i already have the 3cases for the audio part and then i have the laptop and my external 23x hdd's to place on the desk wink.gif

But If it comes that far..i just sent the amp in for upgrade..as most BC owners do with their amps wink.gif
But to be honest..i am not a 'getting the newest first' kind of person..i want the best...which is proved to be best and reliable....i could have chosen an dsd capable dac with hdmi input (nad) and the amp to go with it..but i choose BC for a reason..they are built to last..and to sound its best..not to be the latest digital toy... Hope i dont sound to weird now redface.gif
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Maybe. My guess is that he has a quite high profit percentage.


In the past some people led me to believe that amp makers didn't profit that much. Then I saw this: http://www.lambopower.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t62965.html
Yep could be..but as long i get what i want..i dont mind (remember he upgraded my amp without any extra costs..so with my amp his profit margin got less by a big margin now)..and he could advise me more expensive stuff..but instead he didnt .

So i respect he has to make a living and keep a healthy business...
But if i compare his products to other higher end brands and see the insides of those amps (who look extremely expensive from the outside).well...u know what i mean..

By the way..ray samuels makes standard products that come from a productionline..and most of his products are priced towards most of us....so he sells hugely!! And as his products are standard and easily made by a productionline he can save hugely... Am sure the emotiva owner is extremely rich by now also...as millions bought his most budget amp..that amp is probably made almost totally without human labor..so costs are low...

As i once said...i am a procurement specialist for more then 20years now..and my experience is that the more mass production is used..the higher the profit for the manufacturer earns in total... Its easier to earn 50usd on a 209usd amp (bing put together in a few hours)sold a million times then 500usd on a 3000usd amp sold only 30 times a year (that takes at least 2 weeks to built each)
Edited by hifimanrookie - 1/1/14 at 8:48am
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Yep could be..but as long i get what i want..i dont mind (remember he upgraded my amp without any extra costs..so with my amp his profit margin got less by a big margin now)..and he could advise me more expensive stuff..but instead he didnt .

So i respect he has to make a living and keep a healthy business...
But if i compare his products to other higher end brands and see the insides of those amps (who look extremely expensive from the outside).well...u know what i mean..

 

No - what do you mean?

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No - what do you mean?

That a flashy exterior often houses a cheap & cheerful interior. I think that's what he means anyway.
Edited by Tony1110 - 1/1/14 at 8:51am
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That a flashy exterior houses a cheap & cheerful interior. I think that's what he means anyway.
Yep beerchug.gif
But..am not saying there arent good builders..... wink.gif

But look at the beats phones..or bose..expensive but sounds as if its all plastics inside redface.gif
But let us go back ontopic..biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 1/1/14 at 8:54am
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Higher end brands like?????  Pass Labs, Bryston, Krell, McIntosh, Threshold, and so on.  Point is.  I don't think no one of the higher end amps makers use any more expensive parts than the others. 

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Higher end brands like?????  Pass Labs, Bryston, Krell, McIntosh, Threshold, and so on.  Point is.  I don't think no one of the higher end amps makers use any more expensive parts than the others. 

And some of the cheaper makers probably use parts of an equal quality. There's a lot of snobbery in Hi-Fi.
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True that

 

:beerchug:

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Yep could be..but as long i get what i want..i dont mind (remember he upgraded my amp without any extra costs..so with my amp his profit margin got less by a big margin now)..and he could advise me more expensive stuff..but instead he didnt .

So i respect he has to make a living and keep a healthy business...
But if i compare his products to other higher end brands and see the insides of those amps (who look extremely expensive from the outside).well...u know what i mean..

By the way..ray samuels makes standard products that come from a productionline..and most of his products are priced towards most of us....so he sells hugely!! And as his products are standard and easily made by a productionline he can save hugely... Am sure the emotiva owner is extremely rich by now also...as millions bought his most budget amp..that amp is probably made almost totally without human labor..so costs are low...

As i once said...i am a procurement specialist for more then 20years now..and my experience is that the more mass production is used..the higher the profit for the manufacturer earns in total... Its easier to earn 50usd on a 209usd amp (bing put together in a few hours)sold a million times then 500usd on a 3000usd amp sold only 30 times a year (that takes at least 2 weeks to built each)



Yeah, mass production is usually more profitable, but that doesn't change the fact that 20k for an amp is probably way beyond the costs to make it, and even if it wasn't, it's probably not a good value. Well, atleast to me.

For 20k you could buy a car. Does a car cost less to produce than an amplifier? I don't think so.


Edited by Okamoto - 1/1/14 at 9:43am
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Yeah, mass production is usually more profitable, but that doesn't change the fact that 20k for an amp is probably way beyond the costs to make it, and even if it wasn't, it's probably not a good value. Well, atleast to me.


For 20k you could buy a car. Does a car cost less to produce than an amplifier? I don't think so.
Let me say it differently...a GTR Is considered extremely value for money compared to its competitors..eventhough it costs more then 100,000usd..ofcourse a hyundai is more value for money..moneywise..

Its all about compared to its competitors... If we would comparing value for money..just for the sake of money..then a 5euro bud u buy at a supermarket would be the winner handsdown..no matter how much headaches u get from it....
But in the end its the feeling u get having it...i am now jumping up and down waiting for my new amp..i didnt have this feeling when i was waiting for my 337 or my matrix mstage biggrin.gif

We are all different..one wants and can pay for expesive stuff..others dont or dont want... wink.gif
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What have i started..OMG ... I hitchhiked this thread and threw it into summit fi universe..oh well..its always good to dream.. biggrin.gif
But i agree..if i ever had that kind of money to spend on a headphonerig rig..that would probably it! wink.gif

HE-500, IMO, has always belong to summit fi or whatever that means.  This statement is still true after my recent HD800 purchase.  People just go by price tags too much around here.  It's a shame.

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HE-500, IMO, has always belong to summit fi or whatever that means.  This statement is still true after my recent HD800 purchase.  People just go by price tags too much around here.  It's a shame.

That's not the philosophy for summit-fi though, to qualify for summit-fi on this site, you need headphones that sound like crap on entry-level systems and only sound appropriate on systems that cost a few grand, or any electrostatic headphones for some reason.

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