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Btw, I also use it with a Canare star quad cable. Compared to the stock cable it is warmer and looser sounding, easier on the ear. The stock silver cable is tauter, brighter, less enjoyable and more analytical sounding IMO.

I also use the velour pad, which sounded more airy and open. The pleather pad sounded more closed in and unnatural for me.
Edited by Navyblue - 3/21/12 at 2:40am
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Btw, I also use it with a Canare star quad cable. Compared to the stock cable it is warmer and looser sounding, easier on the ear. The stock silver cable is tauter, brighter, less enjoyable and more analytical sounding IMO.


I agree to that. It's Canare for me too ;)

 

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Have you guys tried the Mogami quad cable.  I think it sounds better than the Canare.

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I'm jealous, way to go on the Taboo.  I'm waiting to see what the Schiit statement amp is going to be otherwise I should just plop the money down for a fab tube amp like the Taboo.


 

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Right now I'm just using a little dot mkii with mullard ef92 tubes while I wait for my amp(decware taboo) to be built.  I do enjoy the LD though more than I expected to.  I had originally bought it to use with other phones and ended up liking it quite a bit with my he-500.  No fatigue at all with the LD or the Schiit Asgard I was using before.


 

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HE-500 sounds pretty good to me at low to medium volume.  Not any better or worse than other orthos I've owned like the LCD-2 but maybe you have better non-ortho headphones for low volume listening.  And then low level to you me may be medium volume for me because we have different rigs and ears.    The V200 amp is pretty good at low levels but most days I find myself in the middle of the volume knob.  
 

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Yes I use the Beta 22, personally I find at low volume the midrange detail is kinda hard to hear.


 

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HE-500 sounds pretty good to me at low to medium volume.  Not any better or worse than other orthos I've owned like the LCD-2 but maybe you have better non-ortho headphones for low volume listening.  And then low level to you me may be medium volume for me because we have different rigs and ears.    The V200 amp is pretty good at low levels but most days I find myself in the middle of the volume knob.  



I agree here.  I have no problems with low volume listening.  If I'm not mistaken, the HE-500 is supposed to be one of the smoother phones around?  What would be considered less fatiguing?  The HD600 maybe?  I haven't really heard the HD600 through a reasonable source/amp.  Since I bought my HE-500 I've sort of lost my interest in exploring other cans  :)  I can only really see IEMs sounding better at really low volumes, but open dynamics are pretty similar IMO.

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HE-500 sounds pretty good to me at low to medium volume.  Not any better or worse than other orthos I've owned like the LCD-2 but maybe you have better non-ortho headphones for low volume listening.  And then low level to you me may be medium volume for me because we have different rigs and ears.    The V200 amp is pretty good at low levels but most days I find myself in the middle of the volume knob.  
 



 


 

To think of it, it could be that I am used to a midrange oriented sound, and it probably has to do with the fatigue as well.

 

The two headphones that I use most, the K501 and ER-4P, they have a similarity, which is they are rather flat throughout most of the range and somewhat rolled off at both ends. May be I couldn't deal with the extra bass and treble.

 

However, for some reason I also find the T50RP, a pretty midrange dominated headphone, fatiguing. Or may be I'm just allergic to ortho. biggrin.gif

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I agree here.  I have no problems with low volume listening.  If I'm not mistaken, the HE-500 is supposed to be one of the smoother phones around?  What would be considered less fatiguing?  The HD600 maybe?  I haven't really heard the HD600 through a reasonable source/amp.  Since I bought my HE-500 I've sort of lost my interest in exploring other cans  :)  I can only really see IEMs sounding better at really low volumes, but open dynamics are pretty similar IMO.



There is another thing that is weird with me. That is when I go audition headphones in noisy stores, sometimes for extended session like 1/2 to 1 hour, I suppose at loud volume, I never get that fatigue feeling.

 

The reason that went with HE500, is that I auditioned it intensely, compared it head to head with the LCD2, and also the HD650 and HD600. I know I am sensitive to treble, I pay special attention to irritability. I didn't find all of them fatiguing, although none of them is as sparkly as the HE500. I also tried the HD800 and W3000ANV, I don't find them particularly fatiguing, but knowing myself I have to say no thanks. I didn't bother trying the T1, or the HE6.

 

At the time, I find both orthos superior to both Senns, they seem smoother and fuller sounding, and made the HD650 rather bland sounding. The LCD2 seems to be missing stuffs at the top to me, so I went with the HE500. Now having lived with it for almost a month I am seriously thinking of returning it and get one of the other three, most likely the HD650. Or to ditch the Beta 22 for some other amps (I am interested in trying some SET transformer coupled design).

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I haven't touch my T50RP in ages.  I need to re-mod it so that there is less bass presence.  I have Sony XB700 ear pads on them.  I haven't heard the Smeggy Thunderpants version but as of now I prefer the open ortho design to the semi-closed T50 ortho.  More air, less overpowering bass with these open headphones.  However, when properly modded the T50RP is supposed to be amazing.  The stock T50RP is very mid-range centric so I agree in that sense, at low levels with a preference for midrange the T50 may be better, however for overall FR balance I find the HE-500 better at low levels.  
 

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However, for some reason I also find the T50RP, a pretty midrange dominated headphone, fatiguing. Or may be I'm just allergic to ortho. biggrin.gif

 


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I got the T50RP with the intention of turning it into the TP, it sort of took a back seat for now. However from reading around, the consensus seems to be that in absolute term, while the TP is great for a closed headphone, it is not quite comparable to open headphones. But I'd love to have a pair of good closed headphone, not to mention the bling factor.

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What amps are you guys using with the HE500?
I only have solid state amps, while it is good, I can't really listen to it for long. I don't know if it is due to the weight/clamp or the sound. My K501 has more high mid emphasis and sounds thinner yet it is less fatiguing to me.
I don't have a tube amp to try it on. I am building a SOHA II but it will take a while to complete, I wonder if it is worth it to try to make the HE500 work for me. I am thinking of returning it and get a HD650 instead. I tried LCD2 but to me it doesn't sound realistic to me as it lacked sparkle, I expect a bit more out of a $1k headphone.


On a budget I think the EF5 amp is a very good match for the HE-500.  My favorite amp is my Eddie Current ZDT.  I'd bet a SOHA II would be a good match.

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Thanks. smily_headphones1.gif

The ZDT is a transformer coupled SET, perhaps my feeling is right. I have not heard the ZDT, how would you describe the sound?
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Thanks. smily_headphones1.gif
The ZDT is a transformer coupled SET, perhaps my feeling is right. I have not heard the ZDT, how would you describe the sound?


I've posted about it elsewhere, but the ZDT/HE-500 combo rivals some of the best dynamic rigs out there.  The HE-6/EF6 combo might be just a little better (or throw in a re-cabled HD800), but not as versatile (too much gain for IEM, no speaker outputs).  The sound is balanced just to this side of warm, punchy, dynamic, crisp, clear, fast, detailed and transparent.  I prefer this over my LCD-2 rev1 with any amp (although those are quite good too), but not over my WES/SR-009 or KGSS/SR-007.

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Thanks. smily_headphones1.gif
The ZDT is a transformer coupled SET, perhaps my feeling is right. I have not heard the ZDT, how would you describe the sound?


I've posted about it elsewhere, but the ZDT/HE-500 combo rivals some of the best dynamic rigs out there.  The HE-6/EF6 combo might be just a little better (or throw in a re-cabled HD800), but not as versatile (too much gain for IEM, no speaker outputs).  The sound is balanced just to this side of warm, punchy, dynamic, crisp, clear, fast, detailed and transparent.  I prefer this over my LCD-2 rev1 with any amp (although those are quite good too), but not over my WES/SR-009 or KGSS/SR-007.


Perhaps I asked a dumb question, the description sounded like most other good amps out there. But appreciate it, thanks. smily_headphones1.gif
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As our teachers would say, there is no such thing as a dumb question.

 

The EF6 is intriguing.  I wonder if they have already started shipping.  The website indicates pre-order but it also says pre-order pricing was good only to Jan. 31st and it is now March 22nd.  I also wish they had EF6 power in a non-pre-amp configuration.  Save a couple bucks for only those of us just with headphone rigs but I guess there is a need for having a good headphone amp and speaker pre-amp.  

 


 

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Perhaps I asked a dumb question, the description sounded like most other good amps out there. But appreciate it, thanks. smily_headphones1.gif


 

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