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HFI-580/DJ1 vs HFI-780 vs Pro 550/DJ1 Pro vs HD25

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Thread Starter 

"Upgrading" from an ATH-M50 so.. yeah. 3rd pair of closed backs :).

 

Mainly looking for bass, possibly soundstage, comfort, isolation, build quality / durability, overall SQ, and portability. Don't know if there's much else. Also rather have the better looking headphones due to I'll be wearing them in public (school) and don't want to look like a complete fool, even though I probably already will :). HD25s are probably out of the question if I include looks. Already wear my M50s around.

 

Music preferences are: Hip Hop, Classical, Pop, R&B, some rock, some metal, electronica, techno, trance, dunno what else.

 

Also would probably like a swivel feature, though I believe all 4 have them like the M50. Detachable cord attracts me too. Don't want to go through trouble having to mod it, and knowing me, I'd mess up.

 

Also would prefer it to be good for mixing (even though I know these aren't the right forums. Figured that headfi would know more about headphones than mixing forums though, as in like, more in-depth rather than; "________ nuff said."

 

So, I've heard that the three Ultrasones have more bass than M50s, correct? Confused as the graphs show they are about 5~15dB less than the M50s (and btw, I also amp up my M50s with the E5's bass boost. Only thing I bought that small amp for :)). And the HD25s a bit less.. correct?

 

Main things confusing me are:

HD25s are apparently the best bang for the buck, or so I've heard, and are insane at isolation.

HFI-580 / 780 = more up-front sound, while the Pro 550 = has a more in-depth sound stage. Honestly don't know which I prefer more either, but seems like I'd love sound stage.

 

Sorry if my typing sounds all whack. Whenever I type up threads, they just.. don't flow right.

 

Note that I'll also probably getting the DJ1 variants if I do opt for one of the Ultrasones (besides the 780, as I don't think there's a DJ variant) as it seems as if I like the looks better (especially the Pro 550 compared to the DJ1 Pro. The matte navy blue just looks.. off to me) and I'd probably prefer a coiled cable, rather than shoving 10ft of cable into my pockets like with the DT770 Premiums. Also all the Ultrasones I've listed are currently $150~165 USD on Amazon, so price difference is negligible. HD25s being $50 above the rest though.

 

And are these Pro 550 variants sold anymore..? http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B000YDYEDW/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1

Love the metallic silver over the original, and possibly even over the DJ1 variant.


Edited by AyeVeeN - 4/26/11 at 5:36pm
post #2 of 14
I would like to know too. The whole HFI 580 vs Pro 550 thing :/
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

Only thing I really got out (that I remember) from researching is that the Pro series = benefits greatly from the "S-Logic" as it has a large sound stage, while the HFI series is more forward / up-front sounding. Forgot which has more bass, but I believe it was the HFIs..

post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 

Baaaaaaamp.

post #5 of 14

I've made comparisons about the HFI 580 and the 550 around the forum. I think it shouldn't be too hard to find. Maybe search PRO 550 or something. I am however interested in how the HD25ii 1 compares


 

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post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by AyeVeeN View Post

 

 

So, I've heard that the three Ultrasones have more bass than M50s, correct? Confused as the graphs show they are about 5~15dB less than the M50s (and btw, I also amp up my M50s with the E5's bass boost. Only thing I bought that small amp for :)). And the HD25s a bit less.. correct?


I've had the opportunity to compare the m50 (a nephew of mine owns them) and my hd25's this weekend. Overall the HD25 sounds more balanced imo, less bass, better midrange. You will have to deal with sibilance which can be an issue with hiphop. In terms of mixing, the HD25's are perfect imo. They can't move except for the swivel of one of the ear cups, which suits me just fine. Every time I took the m50's off, the ear cups started moving in all directions which I didn't really like. The isolation on HD25's is great. I don't know how much better (or worse) the HD25's are at isolating compared to the M50 because I listened to them in a quiet room.

 

Haven't heard the Ultrasones so I can't comment on them.


Edited by Ynoskire - 4/27/11 at 6:19am
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Personally, i dont really look at graphs. I prefer to use my ears for any judgement. I reccomend HD25 as you wuld want to make it as portable. The others are too big for portable.

post #9 of 14

Gonna bring this back, i have the DJ1's (HFI-580) and find them to be too bright, and have a decent amount of sibilance. Now the soundstage on the 580's isn't quite large, there closed anyways, but i have an uneducated ear and only hd-595's to compare them to. My issue is, i like the way the DJ1's handle electronic music, but the sibilance when playing any other genre is starting to annoy. Im probably going to return the 580's if i find a better alternative.

 

I want to:

 

1) Have a wider soundstage / better instrument separation

2) Non sibilant

3) Pair w/ amp

4) More comfortable

5) <$250 

 

I was hoping the PROline 550 would hit the bill, but if not feel free to give reccommendations

 

 

 

A/B to Senn 595

 

 

1 to 10 

 

1 being lesser than 595

5 being equal to 595

10 being better than 595

 

Bass: 8 (LOW)

Mids: 3 (Bit recessed)

Treble:7 (detailed/sometimes harshly sibilant)

Soundstage: 2

Instrument Separation: 2

 

Fun Factor: 10

 

 


Yes i posted a similar post in Something about ultrasones, figured my A/B couldnt hurt.popcorn.gif
 


Edited by coreyhudson2 - 7/13/11 at 9:39pm
post #10 of 14

Bump?

post #11 of 14

Don't know about the 550, but the Pro 650's are said to be the more balanced of the Pro series and they do indeed sound beautiful. I wish I still had mine. Might get them again in the future. The instrument separation and soundstage are great. Its presentation is very immersive - also, the bass is thumping without being overbearing. I definitely felt the music with those cans. 

post #12 of 14

Good to hear! How do those compare to a beyerdynamic, i really like the build quality and comfort of those! I mosly listen to Altern. Rock and Electronic, so bass soundstage and seperation is important to me.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

 

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Hi I am new to headfi but I listen to similar genre's of music as AyeVeeN predominantly trance and techno.  I have a pair of AKG k518 at the moment but I find them to be quite bass heavy but have that boomy resonant bass with a long decay period, with somewhat recessed mids and veiled highs to my ears anyhow (I have removed the ear pads and burned them in but really had no success there).  I would be interested in something like the Ultrasone hifi 580/780, Audio Technica M50, Denon DNHP700 or Senheiser HD25-1 ii the industry standard as it seems.  I am looking for a headphone with good bass extension ie bass with impact in lay mans terms I need a headphone that can handle complex bass lines without making it sound boomy.  I would also like the mids to be more forward I think and highs to be less veiled because I like vocal trance, I like to get immersed in the music but the AKG just ruined the trance experience with it's bloated bass.  I am not sure if I should look for a more neutral analytical headphone or opt for a warmer maybe dark "can" that has more musicality, if that makes sense.  I am running my headphones from my PC with a fairly good sound card but would be prepared to amp with something like the FiiO E7 if required.   I am hoping someone on headfi with their experienced knowledge can help steer me in the right direction and help me make an educated purchase/decision etc :-) 

post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by coreyhudson2 View Post

Good to hear! How do those compare to a beyerdynamic, i really like the build quality and comfort of those! I mosly listen to Altern. Rock and Electronic, so bass soundstage and seperation is important to me.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

 


Not much experience with Beyers, unfortunately. But I don't think you'll be disappointed with the Pro 650's. Only thing is they need some power. They won't sound quite right coming out of an ipod. You should definitely amp them or get a decent soundcard.

 

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