Some Whiplash TWag V1 Cables Turning Green (Split from JH13 Appreciation Thread) - Page 3  

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Edited by Kunlun - 4/30/11 at 8:12am

I am not a Whiplash fanboy, but I must say, Kunlun, your posts here and elsewhere are coming very close to crossing the line of propriety with respect to the honesty of Whiplash/Craig and Mike. While you say let's await the outcome of one person's tests, you at the same time use inflammatory terms such as "fraud," thereby indicating a fairly evident preference for a particular outcome.

ok first let's lay off the fraud accusation as according to Wiki "According to the Collins English Dictionary 10th Edition fraud can be defined as: "deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage".^[1] In the broadest sense, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual;"

 

Until anyone here can prove Craig intentionally deceived anyone the use of the word fraud should not be used. Now as someone with a Twag cable that frankly I dont use all that much I am concerned and do think that if the test comes back with significant silver content then IMHO (as a member) Craig owes an explanation.

 

as a moderator I am going to insist we refrain from accusing Craig/Whiplash of anything until he can sort this out. As a customer I am going to contact him as I made a purchase based on a claim that now may be untrue.

As a longtime customer of Whiplash Audio--indeed I have invested thousands of dollars in various cables and interconnects made from TWag cables--I am especially concerned.  So far none of my TWag wires (IEM or otherwise) had displayed any sort of coloration.  I am concerned about the value of my investment, but their sound quality so far did not disappoint me.

 

I did receive a HE-6 TWag replacement cable, which had arrived dead on one channel.  But it wasn't green.  I have sent it back and waiting for it to be fixed as I'm sure it will be.

 

As far as the allegation of fraud is concerned here, I personally find the idea reprehensible.  Craig is one of the most morally centered, honest people I've ever had the chance to meet at Can Jam last year for the first time.  I am not a chemist, nor do I understand the science and industry practices at the level deep enough to comment on what's going on here and like everyone else will be awaiting the reports.  All I understand is that he purchases cables in thousands of meters bulk spools probably with the label "up to "99.9999" silver cable guaranteed" by whoever manufactures it.  Perhaps the consistency of the purity simply cannot be guaranteed to that level.  I simply don't know.

 

Obviously those customers who experienced quality issues of ANY KIND with their products should be compensated by refund/replacement, whatever.  To my knowledge Craig has done his best to do right by his customers. 

 

 

Yeah, I don't support any accusations at Craig at Whiplash - I've bought his stuff, he's a nice guy.  

 

I think this is basically asking what's going on - there are certainly more than a few isolated cases of silver cables turning green.  I've seen a couple just in the FS ads alone, my old (non-twag) silver cable turned green, Parrots says he's had two turn green, I've heard a bunch of stories of silver cables turning green.  So I think the point is only to see what's going on.  Kudos for the chemical analysis - I'm curious to get to the bottom of this.  

 

BTW - I'm hoping that the insulation keeps the copper cables from turning green, or else the beautiful TWcu would get weird fast!

 

-a

Hi guys...

 

Just to fill in some blanks, I buy the wire from CryoParts which is not a big surprise. I have to lean on him to look into this. I would never sell a product or list a product that was intended to be something else. That is not me. PERIOD.

 

There are lots of details that needs gathering. It is true that we have only seen in our hands a few examples of any cable turning green. At the time, it seems like the dielectric broke down exposing the wire. The wire that was not exposed, was fine and never to this day turned any color.  

 

I'm not an expert in the physical make up at the molecular level. I make Audio Cables with the intent that you can hear better sound in the long run. There is no way shape or form that I intended to commit "fraud*. Completely not true. The manufacture of the wire expresses that the purity is correct. 

 

With all of that said, I need answers myself. SO there are lots of details to gather. This is not a 20 minute project by any means!! 

 

Also, the new Eclipse was made since there were literally hundreds of requests to make a black wire. This project took months, well past anyone every talking about a "green" cable or wire. 

 

Craig

 

 

The TWag I bought a year ago is still silver in colour.  

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So is mine.

Perhaps due to the potentially inflammatory nature of this thread, and so as to remove any undo suggestion of impropriety before we have any solid evidence of such, we simply RENAME the thread:

 

"Silver cables turning green."  

 

I don't own a Twag, but I do own a JH13 silver cable that is half green.  Probably lots more people own silver cables that turn green.  These aren't advertised as 100% silver though, so it could just be copper, or it could be something else common to all silver cables - we don't know yet.  But this way, we don't have a forum header that screams: "Don't buy a Whiplash Twag, because it will turn green" which seems unfair to Craig.

 

so pretty much you never had the wire tested before you sold all this as "silver" when its really spc..... lol

 

considering it can be tested real quick with some salt and vinegar mix.

 

I fail to see what do you find amusing about this issue regardless of the outcome.  Perhaps you should withhold your premature conclusion until the results of the official tests are published and the results analyzed.

 

BTW, when was the last time you've tested the "93 octane" rated and priced gas you've pumped into your car's gas tank with at your local gas station?  This is just a theoretical example just in case you do not yet own an automobile.

 

 

 

if its green its copper no need for tests.

 

i cant really test the gas with 2 household items and 5 mins of my time now can i ...

 

 

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Your insinuation is ludicrous.  That's tantamount to saying that everytime one of us buys a cable, we should also cut out a small portion of wire and send it to the lab or test it ourselves to see if it actually is what it's advertised to be.

 

Some of us would rather just trust the people we're buying stuff from.  Not everybody's out to rip people off.  Craig most certainly doesn't seem to be that sort of person.  If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably been dealing with the people he bought the wire from for a good while.

 

did you even read his post ?
he admits its happened more the once AND ONLY when Exposed to air, air turns copper green NOT silver. first time this happend he should have tested all his wire and had a good talk with the suppler doesn't seem like he did ?

any person in their right mind would test what they buy with the most basic of household products. I'm talking craig him self should have tested it.

has this stopped him from selling the wire no ... will he ? no 900% mark up why would he.

it might be whoever he buys the wire from is the one doing this to make even more profit off him, who knows all I'm saying is that wire is spc and thats a fact no way around it. for all i know his wire when he first started was silver who knows .

 

cables are a rip off in the first place you can spend your money as you wish and waste it at the same time but if your buying silver it better damn well be silver.