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Whiplash TWag Cables Turning Green (Split from JH13 Appreciation Thread)

The one recently sold by TravisG to Twinster on the cables, etc. forum was tarnished on one strand, just like my original JH13 silver cable became tarnished before I replaced it (like many, many others.)

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/543088/64-inch-twag-over-molded-headphone-cable-price-drop

check out the second picture:

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Whiplash TWag Cables Turning Green (Split from JH13 Appreciation Thread)

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Whiplash TWag Cables Turning Green (Split from JH13 Appreciation Thread)

anxiously waiting for my TWag v2 protector cable tongue_smile.gif

 

 

Went out to the pool today and sat in perfect weather in audio bliss with my JH13s

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Any update on the wire test kit and the whole silver doesn't turn green thing? Was sort of interested in the results of that...

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Thanks for the response parrots, interested in the results.

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Silver cables are turning green b/c of the silver interacting with the insulation on the wire.  sorry if insulation is not the right word.  anyway google it you'll see.

 

PVC - a common cable insulator-  is well known for interacting with silver and turning it green.

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Silver cables are turning green b/c of the silver interacting with the insulation on the wire.  sorry if insulation is not the right word.  anyway google it you'll see.

 

PVC - a common cable insulator-  is well known for interacting with silver and turning it green.


I believe it would still be interacting w/ the copper content in the silver.  I read that even sterling silver can have up to 7.5% Copper.  I'm not sure it's possible for 99.99999% Elemental silver to turn green.  Is it?

 

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i didnt know about the silver containing copper thing... guess the mystery continues


 

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i didnt know about the silver containing copper thing... guess the mystery continues

We're all waiting for the results of Parrot's lab test, but really there's no mystery here. When basic chemistry conflicts with a manufacturer's claims, guess which one is right and which one isn't...

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dumb question but are ya'll sure the actual wire is turning green and not just the sheathing?


 

 

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Anyone who's shameless enough to sell cables at those prices is shameless enough to lie about its specs. I'm sure some TWag buyers are motivated purely by aesthetics, but it fails even that.

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dumb question but are ya'll sure the actual wire is turning green and not just the sheathing?

That clearly isn't what is happening. Still, Parrots has done one chemical test on the metal of the wire itself and is now having a lab do a second test. It'll all be proven beyond any doubt at all if Craig at Whiplash and Lee at Cryo have selling what they say they are selling or if they are not.

 

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I think it's only fair that we hear Whiplash Audio's side of the story too, particularly in view of some of the somewhat pointed posts here and elsewhere so far regarding the green coloration issue.  I think Mike raises a good question, and that is - what is the actual extent of the problem?  Is it a few isolated cases or is this happening on a regular basis?  The other question, which Mike touches upon below, is, to what extent has Whiplash addressed this issue?

 

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A:    "We actually aren’t sure exactly what caused it, but the changes we made for v2 seemed to clear it up. It was a cosmetic issue more than anything though, the sound quality was not effected. We also replaced every cable that was brought to our attention."
 

Q:  "Mike, what do you think was the problem with the V1s?  impurity in the silver?   much appreciated - look forward to hearing back from you."

 

 

"Basically the green issue was very isolated. We have only seen a few cables do that and it was all v1. What I have been seeing lately is that someone has an issue like this, or the Ultrasone ED10 pad problem, and everyone jumps in. I have heard a few people say this has happened with v2, but once we ask for pictures or proof it ends up being either v1 or they stop talking to us. As far as I can tell it is isolated to v1 (Although very rare), which is no longer a problem since all of our cables are v2."


Edited by 563 - 4/25/11 at 7:40pm
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Anyone who's shameless enough to sell cables at those prices is shameless enough to lie about its specs. I'm sure some TWag buyers are motivated purely by aesthetics, but it fails even that.


On what are you basing your opinion that the prices of aftermarket cables are "shameless"?  Do you know how much the manufacturers pay for their materials, R&D, labor, and overhead?  If their prices are so out of whack with what buyers are willing to pay and the benefits they receive from the cables, then shouldn't ALO, Whiplash, Moon, etc. be out of business by now?  And how can something fail in terms of aesthetics?  Isn't that inherently subjective?

 

I don't have any particular allegiance to Whiplash or their products, but I thought that was a baseless attack.  BTW, my v.1 TWag cables, which I've had for about a year, have not turned green.


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I would be extremely surprised if development and manufacturing costs reach heights that warrant the TWag's price. It's shameless because cable manufacturers and distributors claim audible sonic differences when in truth the same aftermarket cables have never passed a blind test. As long as a select few continues to buy these cables and swear by their "night and day" difference-making on forums like these, those companies will never be out of business.

If it's supposed to be silver but turns green I'd say that qualifies as an aesthetic failure.
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On what are you basing your opinion that the prices of aftermarket cables are "shameless"?  Do you know how much the manufacturers pay for their materials, R&D, labor, and overhead?  If their prices are so out of whack with what buyers are willing to pay and the benefits they receive from the cables, then shouldn't ALO, Whiplash, Moon, etc. be out of business by now?  And how can something fail in terms of aesthetics?  Isn't that inherently subjective?

 

I don't have any particular allegiance to Whiplash or their products, but I thought that was a baseless attack.  BTW, my v.1 TWag cables, which I've had for about a year, have not turned green.

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