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post #1471 of 1625
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Originally Posted by tsvo614 View Post

Ask David. Owner of cypher labs.Anything bought now should be the new revised version.

Will do. Thank you


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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post

Could just be the A and Bing between the original wolfson chip vs the akm chip both are going to have their negatives and positives.

I guess so. But I noticed the lack in coherence a few hours into listening and thought something is just not right. So I took out my old clas to compare...and so, I confirmed. I'd like to think its just the difference in SS so preference would come into play. But not right is just too far from...not preferred. frown.gif To me, the Solo R sounds similar to a good ol' Sansa Clip + but even this little player to me sounds more "right" at this point. And for $499 for the Solo R, I was expecting it to exceed the Sansa and at least be within the level of the first iteration. frown.gif right now, I don't feel it is. On the bright side, I saw a couple of posts where users didn't like the sound at first, but loved it after a few days.. (50 hours)...soo..here's to hoping.

So now, I'm burning it in and hoping it will improve.

Edit:

With my amp set to Low Gain, I get the congested and muffled sound (pot at 1o'clock . At high gain (pot at 11o'clock) I Get a fuller warmer sound.

I never thought the gain switch had any effect on the sound. I was under the impression it controls volume and...gain. I maybe hallucinating... will get back after more listening time.

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Yep, Hallucinating. Low and high gain sounds the same.
The Original Solo, for me, just blows the Solo R out of the water...

To give everyone an idea of what I hear..

Vocals -
Full and warm and natural on the Solo
Thin coarse and lifeless on the Solo R. There is a tinge of high frequency coarseness on top of Norah Jone's Nightingale that is non existent on the original Solo.

Drums-
Impactful and lively on the Solo
Timid and artificial on the Solo R

Trumpets-
Full and lifelike 9n the Solo
Thin and shriveled on the Solo R

It must me my preference...but I doubt anyone would prefer what I heard on the Solo R. But so many people love how it sounds...

I am thinking....Lemon.

Need to burn in and reassess
Edited by Annafrancesca - 8/28/13 at 4:49am
post #1472 of 1625
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Originally Posted by Annafrancesca View Post


Will do. Thank you
I guess so. But I noticed the lack in coherence a few hours into listening and thought something is just not right. So I took out my old clas to compare...and so, I confirmed. I'd like to think its just the difference in SS so preference would come into play. But not right is just too far from...not preferred. frown.gif To me, the Solo R sounds similar to a good ol' Sansa Clip + but even this little player to me sounds more "right" at this point. And for $499 for the Solo R, I was expecting it to exceed the Sansa and at least be within the level of the first iteration. frown.gif right now, I don't feel it is. On the bright side, I saw a couple of posts where users didn't like the sound at first, but loved it after a few days.. (50 hours)...soo..here's to hoping.

So now, I'm burning it in and hoping it will improve.

Edit:

With my amp set to Low Gain, I get the congested and muffled sound (pot at 1o'clock . At high gain (pot at 11o'clock) I Get a fuller warmer sound.

I never thought the gain switch had any effect on the sound. I was under the impression it controls volume and...gain. I maybe hallucinating... will get back after more listening time.

Edit:
Yep, Hallucinating. Low and high gain sounds the same.
The Original Solo, for me, just blows the Solo R out of the water...

To give everyone an idea of what I hear..

Vocals -
Full and warm and natural on the Solo
Thin coarse and lifeless on the Solo R. There is a tinge of high frequency coarseness on top of Norah Jone's Nightingale that is non existent on the original Solo.

Drums-
Impactful and lively on the Solo
Timid and artificial on the Solo R

Trumpets-
Full and lifelike 9n the Solo
Thin and shriveled on the Solo R

It must me my preference...but I doubt anyone would prefer what I heard on the Solo R. But so many people love how it sounds...

I am thinking....Lemon.

Need to burn in and reassess

 

 

possible, i would give it some good burn in time both mechanically and brain burn in.

 

from what you are hearing is also how i hear comparing the original clas to the newer, and imo its the differences between the chips. i personally wish cypher labs would have stuck with the Wolfson line vs the AKM line of chips, everyone is different, im sure there are ppl who dont like the original clas vs the newer clas and vis versa, 

 

i think what you are hearing is true for the original clas being more aggressive and the newer clas being less aggressive, and i mean aggressive in the sense like you said full and rich,lifelike,impactful.

 

maybe you will warm up to the clas after a good burn in. maybe not, give it a little time and see if your opinions change.

 

but this was the whole thing that kept me away from the hpp1 was the akm chip was less aggressive and full in sound vs the clas with the wolfson, which suprised me when the newer clas's came out and they switched from the wolfson to AKM which turned me off to the -r and -db.

post #1473 of 1625
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Originally Posted by dallan View Post

Do the new -R CLAS use the AKM chip?  It doesn't sound as aggressive to me as the Fostex HP-P1 that uses an AKM chipset.  The CLAS -R sounds warmer and fuller but not as aggressive or quite as dynamic.  Two different flavors.

Send it back to cypher hell either give you new one or fix it.
post #1474 of 1625
Fix what, this is the newest model, after the hiss was fixed about four or five months back. I was just commenting on the sound signiture. At first it felt flat to me until I got used to it. Now it just has a warmer fuller sound than the HP-p1. I don't k ow what would need fixing.
post #1475 of 1625
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Originally Posted by dallan View Post

Fix what, this is the newest model, after the hiss was fixed about four or five months back. I was just commenting on the sound signiture. At first it felt flat to me until I got used to it. Now it just has a warmer fuller sound than the HP-p1. I don't k ow what would need fixing.
Oh that sounds goood! I like it too!
post #1476 of 1625
I wish i had both than i would know.
post #1477 of 1625
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Originally Posted by tsvo614 View Post

I wish i had both than i would know.

Me too!  I just have the original, and I love it!  Obviously, the chips will make the difference.  Is the Solo R maybe more revealing of the amplifier characteristics by it's neutrality?  Just speculating.

post #1478 of 1625
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Originally Posted by Annafrancesca View Post

Hello. Without using a multi-meter Is there any way to tell if I got the new fixed Solo -R? 

I just got a new Solo -db, I wasn't aware there were multiple versions of the -R. Is there multiple versions of the -db as well?  If so, I have a multimeter, so i was wondering if anyone knows if is there a way i can tell which version I have?  My -db did come with two 30 pin dock to mini USB cables too... thanks in advance!

post #1479 of 1625
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Originally Posted by Annafrancesca View Post

Hello. Without using a multi-meter Is there any way to tell if I got the new fixed Solo -R? Mine came with 2 short 30 pin to USB cables and has a much lower output than my original CLAS (Tactical Edition). As for the sound, this is very disappointing. Compared to the original CLAS, my Solo R sounds thin and "digital". I don"t know if its still burning in, but I am quite disappointed. My original CLAS is fuller and more dynamic. Vocals are warm and details are fantastic. This one sounds so recessed that I actually prefer the hp out of my ipod touch 4th.

BTW - my setup consists of an ALO Continental V3 Hifiman HE500 playing FLAC and ALAC through a 32gb ipod tough 4th gen.

Can't they tell which have been "fixed" or which are the revised version by tracking serial numbers on these?

post #1480 of 1625
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Originally Posted by syobwoc View Post

I just got a new Solo -db, I wasn't aware there were multiple versions of the -R. Is there multiple versions of the -db as well?  If so, I have a multimeter, so i was wondering if anyone knows if is there a way i can tell which version I have?  My -db did come with two 30 pin dock to mini USB cables
too... thanks in advance!

I have the -db version tooo! Yea there are 3 different versions. just make sure it can play loud without cutoff and no sound you will know if its messed up because it'll sound like ****. I haven't used the balanced mode yet, but i know it should be really loud.
post #1481 of 1625
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Originally Posted by fiascogarcia View Post

Can't they tell which have been "fixed" or which are the revised version by tracking serial numbers on these?

Yea email David at cypher give him the serial numbers and hell tell you which one it is. If its the first batch of amps you gotta send it back since it was made set to low voltage
post #1482 of 1625
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Originally Posted by tsvo614 View Post


I have the -db version tooo! Yea there are 3 different versions. just make sure it can play loud without cutoff and no sound you will know if its messed up because it'll sound like ****. I haven't used the balanced mode yet, but i know it should be really loud.

Good to know. So to try it, I just hookup some headphones to the SE output and check to see or hookup it up to an amp and turn it up?  Since its digital, it wouldn't matter what the iphone volume is set at right?  I'll probably still send an email also.  Sorry for the n00bness of my questions, for what this baby cost me, I totally want to make sure it works as it should. 

post #1483 of 1625
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Originally Posted by fiascogarcia View Post

Can't they tell which have been "fixed" or which are the revised version by tracking serial numbers on these?

 

Yes they will give a reply and it could have avoided the last page of conjecture cool.gif

post #1484 of 1625
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Originally Posted by syobwoc View Post

Good to know. So to try it, I just hookup some headphones to the SE output and check to see or hookup it up to an amp and turn it up?  Since its digital, it wouldn't matter what the iphone volume is set at right?  I'll probably still send an email also.  Sorry for the n00bness of my questions, for what this baby cost me, I totally want to make sure it works as it should. 
I dont know how to test it. I know you cannot change volume from phone.since there are no volume coming from the apple dac processor... You will get sound but will be very clear and loud and flat. You need another amp to make it work and control volume.
post #1485 of 1625
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Originally Posted by tsvo614 View Post

Yea email David at cypher give him the serial numbers and hell tell you which one it is. If its the first batch of amps you gotta send it back since it was made set to low voltage


I got the first of the fixed batch and it was low voltage according to David. He didn't mention needing to send it back and it seems to wotrk fine. ??
Edited by dallan - 8/28/13 at 1:59pm
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