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post #2926 of 3326
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Originally Posted by Hijodelbrx View Post

All this talk about belts reminds me of a tweak from back in the day, putting a little talcum powder on yr thumb and forefinger and applying it to the belt. Haven't done it in a very long time but maybe that's why I haven't needed to change the belt in my LP12 for over 20 yrs!

Yup...

 

said cycling fan ( talcum powder used in between inner tube and tyre for faster clinchers ) ... -  talcum powder used generally everywhere when rubber parts are to be preserved for longer times, either in storage or to reduce the wear and tear during normal operation.

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post #2927 of 3326

Finally got my gear out of storage and up to date after moving.

Recently switched the R200 arm for the Michel Engineering RB300.

Currently waiting for a Nagaoka MP-11 Cart.

Just need to source a good phono stage now and thats the livingroom vinyl setup sorted for now.

 

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

post #2928 of 3326
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Originally Posted by Paul Graham View Post
 

Finally got my gear out of storage and up to date after moving.

Recently switched the R200 arm for the Michel Engineering RB300.

Currently waiting for a Nagaoka MP-11 Cart.

Just need to source a good phono stage now and thats the livingroom vinyl setup sorted for now.

 

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

Looking good Paul...I hope Jade knows the madness she married into to!  

 

:evil:

post #2929 of 3326
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Originally Posted by Paul Graham View Post
 

Finally got my gear out of storage and up to date after moving.

Recently switched the R200 arm for the Michel Engineering RB300.

Currently waiting for a Nagaoka MP-11 Cart.

Just need to source a good phono stage now and thats the livingroom vinyl setup sorted for now.

 

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

I spy a Stanton/Pickering cart presently on the Rega - which model is it? I would be interested how do you find the Nagaoka MP11 after Stanton/Pickering in comparison.

 

Curios - what is the object near the portable rig to the left - record weight/clamp ?


Edited by analogsurviver - 3/2/14 at 12:48pm
post #2930 of 3326
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Originally Posted by Paul Graham View Post
 

Finally got my gear out of storage and up to date after moving.

Recently switched the R200 arm for the Michel Engineering RB300.

Currently waiting for a Nagaoka MP-11 Cart.

Just need to source a good phono stage now and thats the livingroom vinyl setup sorted for now.

 

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark


What isolation feet are you using?

post #2931 of 3326
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Originally Posted by Jasper9395 View Post
 


What isolation feet are you using?

If you are looking for good feet for a Rega you should check out Mr. Lim: http://lpturntables.blogspot.com/2011/10/standing-and-singing-better-on-new-feet.html

 

These take the wobble out 


Edited by parbaked - 3/2/14 at 2:20pm
post #2932 of 3326
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

He he, YOUR spiffed up ( with all those high precision parts, but that hardly still can be called a Rega - can it ? ) sample most likely DOES deserve to be included in the "better belt driven TT"  category :atsmile:. Seriously, I would like to hear such a wolf in a shipskin someday.

 

And yes, I do agree, all said and done, in real life unfussiness of Rega compared to suspended tables does have its appeal. On good support, it can be superb.

 

I would argue that any RB250 equipped Rega, with ones's favorite cartridge, deserves to be included in the better belt drive category.

Even unmodified, properly isolated, they are that good...in the real world...especially for the $$$


Edited by parbaked - 3/2/14 at 5:38pm
post #2933 of 3326

I love that pix! 

post #2934 of 3326
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post
 

I would argue that any RB250 equipped Rega, with ones's favorite cartridge, deserves to be included in the better belt drive category.

Even unmodified, properly isolated, they are that good...in the real world...especially for the $$$

Conditionally true - both the table and the arm in stock form lack the precision required to deserve such a rating. It is true that for the $$$ you can not get anything comparable new. 

 

HOWEVER - and that is a big however - Rega RB 250 can be made into http://www.audiomods.co.uk/

 

This thing starts by lapping the cartridge mounting platform into perfectly flat surface - not Rega's unmachined cast part that is anything but flat. I could go on for pages ... it is detail after detail after ....detail - that in the end lead towards inclusion in better turntable category.

 

The same can be said for Rega stock platter/subplatter/bearing - please see what bbophead has done with his Rega. Although both Audiomods and "precision made US parts" are more costly than Rega entry level, they are much more cost efficient than Rega's better higher priced models - which still just can not match the precision . Audiomods arm has better, MUCH better bearings than stock Rega RB 1000 - for example. Why ? Inherently, it is not possible to manufacture steel balls (spheres) with equal or better precision than ceramic ones - plus ceramics is self greasing so to speak, BOTH properties leading to tighter tolerance bearing with less play and lower friction. I see it hard that Audiomods still is among the very few (only?) manufacturer that uses ceramic bearings in its arms, everybody else soldiering on with steel - despite ceramic bearings proved themselves  long ago in other applications, like military equipment and racing bicycles.

 

Audiophile crowd is the one probably most reliant on tradition and least willing to accept new technical solutions - unless used by a premium manufacturer and priced exhorbitantly high - ONLY THEN it  will perhaps gain the recognition deserved. Rega is playing a very precisely thougt out game here - they did find the way to produce relatively easy not too costly to produce equipment that does have edge over similarly priced competition - but it is nowhere the end of the road and can be

made to perform significantly better at not too exhorbitant price by third party manufacturers. Making a knock off of Funk Firm's table with better materials and pricing it in 5 figures does not lead to any different judgement of Rega's pricing policies either. 

post #2935 of 3326
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Originally Posted by Jasper9395 View Post
 


What isolation feet are you using?

 

I bought a set of four custom made feet for a Gaming PC build from Bill Owen at MNPCTECH. These were originally destined for a custom built PC.

Now you see Ive used them as isolation feet and they do a great job of it too.

 

The billet aluminium cases to the feet were used for my home made record clamp. :)

 

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post
 

Looking good Paul...I hope Jade knows the madness she married into to!  

 

:evil:

 

Thanks Eric, And yeh she's pretty good with my hobby to be honest, She's just let me order a Partington Prisma AV stand for all the Home cinema gear. :)

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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

I spy a Stanton/Pickering cart presently on the Rega - which model is it? I would be interested how do you find the Nagaoka MP11 after Stanton/Pickering in comparison.

 

Curios - what is the object near the portable rig to the left - record weight/clamp ?

 

Its a Stanton AL500 MKII. Usually a DJ cart but using it for the minute until I collect the Nagaoka.

I'll post my thoughts up once I've made the switch.

 

Its a home made record weight/clamp until I get the real thing. Its not very heavy at all so its not affecting the motor/belt.

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post
 

Looking good Paul...I hope Jade knows the madness she married into to!  

 

:evil:

 

Thanks Eric, And yeh she's pretty good with my hobby to be honest, She's just let me order a Partington Prisma AV stand for all the Home cinema gear. :)

 

post #2937 of 3326
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

Conditionally true - both the table and the arm in stock form lack the precision required to deserve such a rating. It is true that for the $$$ you can not get anything comparable new. 

 

HOWEVER - and that is a big however - Rega RB 250 can be made into http://www.audiomods.co.uk/

 

 

This thing starts by lapping the cartridge mounting platform into perfectly flat surface - not Rega's unmachined cast part that is anything but flat. I could go on for pages ... it is detail after detail after ....detail - that in the end lead towards inclusion in better turntable category.

 

The same can be said for Rega stock platter/subplatter/bearing - please see what bbophead has done with his Rega. Although both Audiomods and "precision made US parts" are more costly than Rega entry level, they are much more cost efficient than Rega's better higher priced models - which still just can not match the precision . Audiomods arm has better, MUCH better bearings than stock Rega RB 1000 - for example. Why ? Inherently, it is not possible to manufacture steel balls (spheres) with equal or better precision than ceramic ones - plus ceramics is self greasing so to speak, BOTH properties leading to tighter tolerance bearing with less play and lower friction. I see it hard that Audiomods still is among the very few (only?) manufacturer that uses ceramic bearings in its arms, everybody else soldiering on with steel - despite ceramic bearings proved themselves  long ago in other applications, like military equipment and racing bicycles.

 

Audiophile crowd is the one probably most reliant on tradition and least willing to accept new technical solutions - unless used by a premium manufacturer and priced exhorbitantly high - ONLY THEN it  will perhaps gain the recognition deserved. Rega is playing a very precisely thougt out game here - they did find the way to produce relatively easy not too costly to produce equipment that does have edge over similarly priced competition - but it is nowhere the end of the road and can be

made to perform significantly better at not too exhorbitant price by third party manufacturers. Making a knock off of Funk Firm's table with better materials and pricing it in 5 figures does not lead to any different judgement of Rega's pricing policies either. 

A.S. you miss the point of my post. I said that even a stock Rega should be included in the better turntable category. 

I never said end of the road. Your response was as if I said the Rega was the best TT, which I did not.

 

You state: It is true that for the $$$ you can not get anything comparable new. Why would the TT with the best performance per $$ not be included in the better category?

I think value should be a consideration.

 

 

The Audiomod arm is great but the 303 based arms start at $1200. It is an end game arm.

You can buy an RP3 turntable with the 303 tonearm and a $300 cartridge for less. 

Interesting that Rega sells the castings to Audiomod and other aftermarket modifiers (MIchell, Origin Live etc) so Rega encourages these competitors/options.

Most manufacturers would sell OEM arms, which Rega does, but not parts...

 

I am not sure what Rega TT you refer to that knocks off which Funk.

The only Funk sold in the US is the LSD, which is not that special.

If it is the Funk Vector, the only similarity to new Rega is the skeletal base, which is not a Funk innovation.

The point of the Vector is the 3 pulleys, not the base, and I don't think Rega is doing that...but I could be wrong as I am not as knowledgeable as you.

 

I am fortunate to live near a good audio shop with a nice selection of TT, including Funk and Rega and others. http://www.audiovisionsf.com/?page=turntables_analog

I am in there all the time especially as they have so many used and trade in TT to tempt one. 

have listened to the Funk LSD ($2500) next to the Rega RP3 ($900) and RP6 ($1500), which is what bbophead has.

The Regas certainly compete and are arguably better for the $$$.

 

That is why I think they are belong in the better category...not best or end of the road...just better...cheers!

post #2938 of 3326
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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post
 

A.S. you miss the point of my post. I said that even a stock Rega should be included in the better turntable category. 

I never said end of the road. Your response was as if I said the Rega was the best TT, which I did not.

 

You state: It is true that for the $$$ you can not get anything comparable new. Why would the TT with the best performance per $$ not be included in the better category?

I think value should be a consideration.

 

 

The Audiomod arm is great but the 303 based arms start at $1200. It is an end game arm.

You can buy an RP3 turntable with the 303 tonearm and a $300 cartridge for less. 

Interesting that Rega sells the castings to Audiomod and other aftermarket modifiers (MIchell, Origin Live etc) so Rega encourages these competitors/options.

Most manufacturers would sell OEM arms, which Rega does, but not parts...

 

I am not sure what Rega TT you refer to that knocks off which Funk.

The only Funk sold in the US is the LSD, which is not that special.

If it is the Funk Vector, the only similarity to new Rega is the skeletal base, which is not a Funk innovation.

The point of the Vector is the 3 pulleys, not the base, and I don't think Rega is doing that...but I could be wrong as I am not as knowledgeable as you.

 

I am fortunate to live near a good audio shop with a nice selection of TT, including Funk and Rega and others. http://www.audiovisionsf.com/?page=turntables_analog

I am in there all the time especially as they have so many used and trade in TT to tempt one. 

have listened to the Funk LSD ($2500) next to the Rega RP3 ($900) and RP6 ($1500), which is what bbophead has.

The Regas certainly compete and are arguably better for the $$$.

 

That is why I think they are belong in the better category...not best or end of the road...just better...cheers!

I basically agree with you. 

 

However, there is a point in performance when it is good enough - or below that. And I had hard time understanding that "not good enough" - regardless of relative bargain it represents to competition. Specially if that "good enough" was/is above my piggybank. But eventually, I learned to accept this. And keep filling that piggybank until full enough for "good enough".

 

Rega is extremely pragmatic manufacturer and sell whatever sells best - including raw materials to "competition". An Audiomod is still 10 % Rega's income and zero % SME - or whichever other manufacturer.

 

A better turntable is better in absolute terms, not relative to the price. Rega models that fit in this category are pricey - there are less expensive options of comparable quality. That was the point of my above post.

 

The whole "bang for the buck" (US) and "best buy" ( UK) approach, although good for the majority, has one extremely bad influence; it stifles the true cutting edge designs, promoting the level of say Rega 3 as "better turntable". It is not.  I do not mean it is necessary to go to the extreme levels of say a Melco in order to arrive at "better TT" designation ((it is waaay over the top massive design(s), inspiring the comparably small BIG Micro Seikis ) - but RP3 is perhaps an equivalent of VW Golf in automotive world - it is a good car, due to reputation keeps resale value among the highest, but is pricey relative the competition offering similar or better performance at lower cost. 

 

Serious Rega (6 and up) are relatively costlier yet. And to get the RP6 to "better TT" level, it is about the course taken by bbophead. If Rega produced a similarly precisely made model, it would have been less expensive in the end. THAT would justify the inclusion in the "better turntable" category - "good enough" - and relatively affordable.

post #2939 of 3326
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

I basically agree with you. 

 

However, there is a point in performance when it is good enough - or below that. And I had hard time understanding that "not good enough" - regardless of relative bargain it represents to competition. Specially if that "good enough" was/is above my piggybank. But eventually, I learned to accept this. And keep filling that piggybank until full enough for "good enough".

 

Rega is extremely pragmatic manufacturer and sell whatever sells best - including raw materials to "competition". An Audiomod is still 10 % Rega's income and zero % SME - or whichever other manufacturer.

 

A better turntable is better in absolute terms, not relative to the price. Rega models that fit in this category are pricey - there are less expensive options of comparable quality. That was the point of my above post.

 

The whole "bang for the buck" (US) and "best buy" ( UK) approach, although good for the majority, has one extremely bad influence; it stifles the true cutting edge designs, promoting the level of say Rega 3 as "better turntable". It is not.  I do not mean it is necessary to go to the extreme levels of say a Melco in order to arrive at "better TT" designation ((it is waaay over the top massive design(s), inspiring the comparably small BIG Micro Seikis ) - but RP3 is perhaps an equivalent of VW Golf in automotive world - it is a good car, due to reputation keeps resale value among the highest, but is pricey relative the competition offering similar or better performance at lower cost. 

 

Serious Rega (6 and up) are relatively costlier yet. And to get the RP6 to "better TT" level, it is about the course taken by bbophead. If Rega produced a similarly precisely made model, it would have been less expensive in the end. THAT would justify the inclusion in the "better turntable" category - "good enough" - and relatively affordable.

You are still not getting my point: The RP6 is a "better" TT without modification. In fact the RP6 does not require or really benefit from further modifications. 

 

What you perhaps don't understand is that all these aftermarket modifications e.g. Groovetacer, Origin Live, Mr. Lim etc, are designed to bring the lower Rega models up to the RP6 level, not to improve the RP6. 

The RP6 already has a fantastic machined sub-platter and a very sophisticated 2-piece glass platter that interface perfectly. 

The only way to improve an RP6 is to replace the tonearm or the plinth in which case you have an RP8. 

 

Please consider how much technology is packed into the RP6.

It takes the Rega model of 1) light stiff plinth, 2) quiet motor, 3) light stiff one piece tone arm almost as far as it can go without really hitting diminishing returns:

http://www.needledoctor.com/Rega-RP6-Turntable_2?sc=2&category=353

 

If the RP3 is a Golf, the RP6 is 3 Series...Cheers!

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I am very happy with my Scout 1.1. 

 

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