Originally Posted by analogsurviver
Conditionally true - both the table and the arm in stock form lack the precision required to deserve such a rating. It is true that for the $$$ you can not get anything comparable new.
HOWEVER - and that is a big however - Rega RB 250 can be made into http://www.audiomods.co.uk/
This thing starts by lapping the cartridge mounting platform into perfectly flat surface - not Rega's unmachined cast part that is anything but flat. I could go on for pages ... it is detail after detail after ....detail - that in the end lead towards inclusion in better turntable category.
The same can be said for Rega stock platter/subplatter/bearing - please see what bbophead has done with his Rega. Although both Audiomods and "precision made US parts" are more costly than Rega entry level, they are much more cost efficient than Rega's better higher priced models - which still just can not match the precision . Audiomods arm has better, MUCH better bearings than stock Rega RB 1000 - for example. Why ? Inherently, it is not possible to manufacture steel balls (spheres) with equal or better precision than ceramic ones - plus ceramics is self greasing so to speak, BOTH properties leading to tighter tolerance bearing with less play and lower friction. I see it hard that Audiomods still is among the very few (only?) manufacturer that uses ceramic bearings in its arms, everybody else soldiering on with steel - despite ceramic bearings proved themselves long ago in other applications, like military equipment and racing bicycles.
Audiophile crowd is the one probably most reliant on tradition and least willing to accept new technical solutions - unless used by a premium manufacturer and priced exhorbitantly high - ONLY THEN it will perhaps gain the recognition deserved. Rega is playing a very precisely thougt out game here - they did find the way to produce relatively easy not too costly to produce equipment that does have edge over similarly priced competition - but it is nowhere the end of the road and can be
made to perform significantly better at not too exhorbitant price by third party manufacturers. Making a knock off of Funk Firm's table with better materials and pricing it in 5 figures does not lead to any different judgement of Rega's pricing policies either.
A.S. you miss the point of my post. I said that even a stock Rega should be included in the better turntable category.
I never said end of the road. Your response was as if I said the Rega was the best TT, which I did not.
You state: It is true that for the $$$ you can not get anything comparable new. Why would the TT with the best performance per $$ not be included in the better category?
I think value should be a consideration.
The Audiomod arm is great but the 303 based arms start at $1200. It is an end game arm.
You can buy an RP3 turntable with the 303 tonearm and a $300 cartridge for less.
Interesting that Rega sells the castings to Audiomod and other aftermarket modifiers (MIchell, Origin Live etc) so Rega encourages these competitors/options.
Most manufacturers would sell OEM arms, which Rega does, but not parts...
I am not sure what Rega TT you refer to that knocks off which Funk.
The only Funk sold in the US is the LSD, which is not that special.
If it is the Funk Vector, the only similarity to new Rega is the skeletal base, which is not a Funk innovation.
The point of the Vector is the 3 pulleys, not the base, and I don't think Rega is doing that...but I could be wrong as I am not as knowledgeable as you.
I am fortunate to live near a good audio shop with a nice selection of TT, including Funk and Rega and others. http://www.audiovisionsf.com/?page=turntables_analog
I am in there all the time especially as they have so many used and trade in TT to tempt one.
have listened to the Funk LSD ($2500) next to the Rega RP3 ($900) and RP6 ($1500), which is what bbophead has.
The Regas certainly compete and are arguably better for the $$$.
That is why I think they are belong in the better category...not best or end of the road...just better...cheers!