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Nice to see such effort.

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I'll bet you're pleased with the improvement in sound.

Yes, I am. It really surprised me how small changes can make such a big difference. Each change also did something very particular so it was interesting to learn how each of the components affects the sound of the TT. The double pulley was the most surprising to me. It just pulled everything into focus and improved the sound stage. This really helped my HD650s. I'm still on the hunt for a nice 2nd hand cartage and TT PSU.

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The double-pulley is interesting... well done!

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This marks the 3rd time I've tried the Rogue Ares phono stage, and now finally (paired with Bob's Devices 1131 SUT -- add me to the list of folks that likes a SUT w/ tube MM stage) it perfectly integrates together and gels with the last couple of major upgrades (the Clearaudio Innovation TT, Graham Phantom arm, and Tannoy Canterbury speakers). Not too bad, considering it's the most affordable component in that system. It all sounds GREAT together, after a lot of pain trying to nail down those last details to balance everything out. Now the (ever optimistic) plan is to not change anything major again for at least a couple years. I need record weight & ruing clamp, but those doesn't count as "major" changes. 

 

The Ares' lid is off in this pic (easy tube access):

 

The green cart perched under the nose of Graham?

 

SUT/HSD (Hollow State Devices ) are not my game, but I sure do like Tannoys !

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One more, its the insides of he Trichord/Michell Delphini. Some nice components here Mundorf Mcap Supremes and rubycon caps inside. The power caps are Phillips.

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This is very modest compared to what some of you have posted... but it's what I've got and it's making me 95% happy so far.  Technics SL-20.

 

 

Question: For the remaining 5% of happiness that I'm missing, is there a cartridge under $100 that would allow me to hear Birgit Nilsson's shrieking Wagner without distortion?  Or do I just have to wait until wife & wallet allow me to upgrade to a better TT?


Edited by Delirious Lab - 11/11/13 at 7:03am
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Ziet er goed uit Jasper!

Good photo's too. Looks like you also put a lot of attention into the acoustics of your room. One tip about the plank you put under the TT; it looks like 18mm MDF. The material is good on itself but if you can lay your hands on a slab of stone (hardsteen of graniet) that would sonically improve things. The reason is that the MDF platter has about the same mass as the turntables body. This would cause exitation in the same frequency with FI walking sounds. If you would take a big slab of stone the mass would be much higher, and thus the resonacefrequency lower, isolating the TT from anything higher including the TT's own resonancefreq. You can even tune the frequency with a trick: use only 2 spikes in the front which will function as a hingepoint and use small blocks of closed cell foam that can act as support as well as shockbreaker. You can adjust the frequency by varying the distance between the spikes and the foamblocks just like a pendulum on grandmothers clock. I find it to be very effective against strong LF airborne sounds like slamming doors and against walking sounds on a wooden floor.

Mulvelng: your TT is absolutely awesome. And beautifull.
The green cartridge looks just like a Milltek Aurora, but that would seem a bit lowly to me. So my guess would be the more appropriate Koetsu Jade. biggrin.gif

Edit, it is a Koetsu Jade! It is, it is. Wow. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by ]eep - 11/11/13 at 8:53am
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There are some different theories on how to best isolate a Rega.

The Rega plinth is designed to be a light and stiff as possible so as NOT to "absorb" any vibration that will later be re-transmitted back to the TT.

It is a very different strategy than using a high mass or suspended plinth.

As such some feel that a Rega performs best when supported on a similarly light and stiff platform.

The thought is that a heavy base can store and re-transmit vibrations back up to the super light plinth.

Two popular solutions for Rega fans are:

1. The Rega wall shelf, which is a rigid, open metal frame - like a Linn Kan speaker stand.

2. Ikea Lack side table but only the black or white colors which have a glossy "shell" over a very light paper mulch core. This is as about as light and rigid a combination as can be found off the shelf.

 

I find the Rega design works well for what it is. It may not be as effective (or sexy) as a high mass plinth and isolation base, but I do prefer it to the suspended designs.

 

Rega on a <$10 Lack table...


Edited by parbaked - 11/11/13 at 10:40am
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There are some different theories on how to best isolate a Rega.



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I find the Rega design works well for what it is. It may not be as effective (or sexy) as a high mass plinth and isolation base, but I do prefer it to the suspended designs.



 



Rega on a <$10 Lack table...



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Excellent post. Very good coverage and correct advice. Yes, there is such a thing as "correct" in a world ruled by preference. smily_headphones1.gif
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The green cart perched under the nose of Graham?

 

SUT/HSD (Hollow State Devices ) are not my game, but I sure do like Tannoys !

 

As Jeep correctly deduced, it's a Koetsu Jade Platinum. Koetsu is somewhat polarizing, but I fell for their sound almost as hard as I did for Tannoys. The Canterbury SE are my 4th pair in an 8-year progression up the Tannoy line: Eyris DC3 > Dimension TD10 > Kensington SE > Canterbury SE. Had them a over year now, but finally got my system all locked-in an gelling beautifully between the Canterbury/Clearaudio/Koetsu/Rogue. Upgrading can be equal parts frustration and fun until you get everything working together nicely. 

Haha, "hollow state" -- I actually like that.

 

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Mulvelng: your TT is absolutely awesome. And beautifull.
The green cartridge looks just like a Milltek Aurora, but that would seem a bit lowly to me. So my guess would be the more appropriate Koetsu Jade. biggrin.gif

Edit, it is a Koetsu Jade! It is, it is. Wow. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

 

Good eye, and many thanks. I loved my previous SOTA Star table, but got hooked when a I first heard the Clearaudio Innovation Compact last winter. Very fast/resolving/dynamic sound (without being analytical, lean, or bright), and tonally neutral. Not being able to hear the Graham before ordering, I struggled with the decision between that and the Clearaudio Universal.

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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post
 

There are some different theories on how to best isolate a Rega.

The Rega plinth is designed to be a light and stiff as possible so as NOT to "absorb" any vibration that will later be re-transmitted back to the TT.

It is a very different strategy than using a high mass or suspended plinth.

As such some feel that a Rega performs best when supported on a similarly light and stiff platform.

The thought is that a heavy base can store and re-transmit vibrations back up to the super light plinth.

Two popular solutions for Rega fans are:

1. The Rega wall shelf, which is a rigid, open metal frame - like a Linn Kan speaker stand.

2. Ikea Lack side table but only the black or white colors which have a glossy "shell" over a very light paper mulch core. This is as about as light and rigid a combination as can be found off the shelf.

 

I find the Rega design works well for what it is. It may not be as effective (or sexy) as a high mass plinth and isolation base, but I do prefer it to the suspended designs.

 

Rega on a <$10 Lack table...

Thanks for posting something more in my class.:D

 

I agree.  My Target wall shelf from the '80s does a fine job.

 

The RP6 replaced an Oracle Delphi MK I/Jelco 250-C/Koetsu Onyx.  I enjoy playing records much more now.  Go figure.

 

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Thanks for the advice on isolation. Incidentally I've also got the TT sitting on an Ikea side table, unfortunately it is a red one. I might try and put it on a wall mount. Is there anything special about the Rega one? Using a stone slab is interesting too but I guess you just have to be lucky to come across a piece that's thick enough. The isolation before was quite bad, when playing loud music I could actually feel vibrations when I put my hand on the plynth. Regardless, I still think the Rega tables are quit good for the money specially because you can upgrade them. This means you don't have to put down all the money at once.


Edited by Jasper9395 - 11/11/13 at 12:11pm
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Thanks for the advice on isolation. Incidentally I've also got the TT sitting on an Ikea side table, unfortunately it is a red one. I might try and put it on a wall mount. Is there anything special about the Rega one? Using a stone slab is interesting too but I guess you just have to be lucky to come across a piece that's thick enough. The isolation before was quite bad, when playing loud music I could actually feel vibrations when I put my hand on the plynth. Regardless, I still think the Rega tables are quit good for the money specially because you can upgrade them. This means you don't have to put down all the money at once.

The difference between the Rega wall shelf and others is that the Rega shelf doesn't have a shelf!

Instead it has three height adjustable cups that fit the three feet on all Regas. As such their is no MDF or wood shelf to vibrate (airborne stuff etc).

As such it is arguably 'better' match for Regas, but would require modification to use with a non-Rega turntable.

 

Rega shelf

 

With a Rega mounted (no that is NOT my wallpaper!)

 

Other turntable wall shelves tend to be shelves so they can be used most with any TT or other component...

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The difference between the Rega wall shelf and others is that the Rega shelf doesn't have a shelf!

Ah I see, thanks. I might get one, at 99 pounds it's not that bad in terms of price.

 

BTW does anyone have any experience with upgrading the plinth itself? The quest inspire upgrades seem to be getting some excellent reviews.

 

http://www.inspirehifi.co.uk/quest.html

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As Jeep correctly deduced, it's a Koetsu Jade Platinum. Koetsu is somewhat polarizing, but I fell for their sound almost as hard as I did for Tannoys. The Canterbury SE are my 4th pair in an 8-year progression up the Tannoy line: Eyris DC3 > Dimension TD10 > Kensington SE > Canterbury SE. Had them a over year now, but finally got my system all locked-in an gelling beautifully between the Canterbury/Clearaudio/Koetsu/Rogue. Upgrading can be equal parts frustration and fun until you get everything working together nicely. 
Haha, "hollow state" -- I actually like that.


Good eye, and many thanks. I loved my previous SOTA Star table, but got hooked when a I first heard the Clearaudio Innovation Compact last winter. Very fast/resolving/dynamic sound (without being analytical, lean, or bright), and tonally neutral. Not being able to hear the Graham before ordering, I struggled with the decision between that and the Clearaudio Universal.
I think we come very close in taste/preference. I almost would have bought a pair of Tannoys too. The DC10T. But I wasn't to sure how they would combine with a 300B. When I came across a pair of Genesis VI for much less € it was a no brainer.

Of course I had to spot the Jade because I own a Koetsu too. An Urushi Wajima that is. The foto's wasn't sharp enough to see the jade veigns but then I saw the black yoke.
Just for the beauty of it. The flower (some kind of agave) I have been nourishing for almost as long as I have been dreaming of buying the Urushi (that is 30 years).

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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

There are some different theories on how to best isolate a Rega.
The Rega plinth is designed to be a light and stiff as possible so as NOT to "absorb" any vibration that will later be re-transmitted back to the TT.
It is a very different strategy than using a high mass or suspended plinth.
As such some feel that a Rega performs best when supported on a similarly light and stiff platform.
The thought is that a heavy base can store and re-transmit vibrations back up to the super light plinth.
Two popular solutions for Rega fans are:
1. The Rega wall shelf, which is a rigid, open metal frame - like a Linn Kan speaker stand.
2. Ikea Lack side table but only the black or white colors which have a glossy "shell" over a very light paper mulch core. This is as about as light and rigid a combination as can be found off the shelf.

I find the Rega design works well for what it is. It may not be as effective (or sexy) as a high mass plinth and isolation base, but I do prefer it to the suspended designs.
About the support for the Rega: there is more than one way to skin a cat (strategies). But there is only one theory. In building construction it is called foundation technique. Foundation technique is all about distribution of stress, frequencies, mass and decoupling. If you suspend a 5kg mass on another 5kg mass once 1 is in resonance the other will follow. If you suspend a 5kg mass on a 50kg mass it will move with the same low frequency. If you suspend a 50kg mass on a 5 kg mass it will likely not move. And by suspend I mean springloaded with shockabsorbers.

There is a contradiction in above story. The Rega wall 'shelf' is actually coupled to a very heavy mass... the wall it is attached to. wink.gif You can do the same with a pair of heavy duty (=triangular) wall brackets ($10 total) and something to level with.

The trick is to think about what you are doing, and just like I said: it is important to have a very different mass from the TT body itself. The Ikea-table is the other side of the scale (lighter vs heavier). I wouldn't use that on a wooden floor. It transfers all energy straight up into the arm. Every problem asks for a different solution.
The Ikea Lack table was actually promoted by Linn as the ideal stand for the LP12.
Edited by ]eep - 11/11/13 at 4:05pm
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