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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


Yes, I do.

Surface noise, ticks and pops, abysmal S/N ratio, etc... biggrin.gif

My vinyl does not have surface noise, ticks or pops.
I clean all of my vinyl with a VPI record cleaner.
Makes my LP’s as noise free as a CD.




 

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Any format is only as good as someone bothers to make it, and all can be spectacular if you try hard enough wink.gif
post #2043 of 3321
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Originally Posted by CrazyRay View Post

My vinyl does not have surface noise, ticks or pops.
I clean all of my vinyl with a VPI record cleaner.
Makes my LP’s as noise free as a CD.




 

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The best turntable in the world is probably good for maybe 80-85 dB S/N ratio. My Sansa Clip playing FLAC files beats that figure with a stick...

 

Think about it - a direct to digital master from the original pressing is an EXACT duplicate of the master. Even your finest vinyl record is a pressing several generations removed from the master, and played back on a machine with different geometry, affected by temperature and humidity, exposed to vibration and speed errors. And yes, there is surface noise - impossible to avoid with a diamond riding in a plastic groove. It may be very, very quiet at normal volumes, but it's there.

 

But honestly, I'm not putting vinyl down. I love my turntable and listening to my records. It has beauty and charm and involvement that no digital machine can match. I enjoy the ritual, the nostalgia, and even the sound. It's just a pleasure for me to sit in my chair and watch the needle ride in the groove while listening to an old album from my childhood. It would be like driving a classic Porsche 356 - beautiful car, fantastic sound, entertaining dynamics, wood and leather trim just right, slight musty oily smell inside...ahhh! But a Toyota Corolla will eat that Porsche for lunch in speed, handling, comfort, reliability and chassis integrity. One is an emotional delight and one is a technical masterpiece.


Edited by palmfish - 7/22/13 at 7:57pm
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Bla, bla, bla…


 

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Yeah, you're right. We wouldnt want to confuse the issue with actual facts... wink.gif

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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


The best turntable in the world is probably good for maybe 80-85 dB S/N ratio. My Sansa Clip playing FLAC files beats that figure with a stick...

 

Think about it - a direct to digital master from the original pressing is an EXACT duplicate of the master. Even your finest vinyl record is a pressing several generations removed from the master, and played back on a machine with different geometry, affected by temperature and humidity, exposed to vibration and speed errors. And yes, there is surface noise - impossible to avoid with a diamond riding in a plastic groove. It may be very, very quiet at normal volumes, but it's there.

 

But honestly, I'm not putting vinyl down. I love my turntable and listening to my records. It has beauty and charm and involvement that no digital machine can match. I enjoy the ritual, the nostalgia, and even the sound. It's just a pleasure for me to sit in my chair and watch the needle ride in the groove while listening to an old album from my childhood. It would be like driving a classic Porsche 356 - beautiful car, fantastic sound, entertaining dynamics, wood and leather trim just right, slight musty oily smell inside...ahhh! But a Toyota Corolla will eat that Porsche for lunch in speed, handling, comfort, reliability and chassis integrity. One is an emotional delight and one is a technical masterpiece.

 

I hate to agree with, owning a vintage 1966 Porsche 912 I  know what you mean BUT Vinyl woops cd ass big time anyway.

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I hate to agree with, owning a vintage 1966 Porsche 912 I  know what you mean BUT Vinyl woops cd ass big time anyway.

 

I'm a middle of the road kind of guy. I like my vinyl and my digital for different reasons. And my 993 is the best of both worlds... smile.gif

post #2048 of 3321
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Originally Posted by Eee Pee View Post

Their other one, Toward The Within is practically magic.  

 

Wind That Shakes The Barely gives me goosebumps sometimes.

 

 

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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

That DCD set is one of the best live recordings I've heard. Totally worth the small entry price.

 

 

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Originally Posted by bbophead View Post

Listened to some good vinyl last night.  Finished Dead Can Dance live 3 LP recent release.  Very quiet surfaces, good sound (I saw them once about 10-12 years ago) but why they think it's cute to not put the contents on the label is a mystery to me.  In general the packaging is odd, maybe like them.  I'm sure it's a digital recording but had to be carefully mastered to analog which can make a differerence.

 

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Also listened to a half speed master of An American in Paris, Columbia/Sony recording of 1976.  Excellent.  I don't think digital sounds like this.  Too bad.  (pic is not of the half speed)

 

 

 

Could not agree regarding Dead Can Dance vinyl releases more. They stand head and shoulders above almost any "recent" production. Their CD counterparts, compared to the vinyl, should convince even the hardest CD admirers of the superiority of vinyl under good circumstances. It is a pity such a display of superiority of vinyl is so rare these days.

 

Half Speed Mastering is capable of sound exceeding the playback of master tape. I was in my teens when it was available new, it was a bit more expensive than normal releases, had to cross pond, to be imported into a country that had much different political system back then, etc - I only have a few HSM records, one of them being the original release of Frank Zappa's Joe's Garage on CBS, mastered by Stan Ricker, which received a rather lukewarm reception from Zappa himself, prompting him to later on do the digitally remastered version. I also got later digitally remastered pressing of "Garage" and only wish it could somehow be possible to cross the sweetness and delicacy of the analog HSM and dynamic range and extension, particularly in the bass, of the digital remastered release. 

 

HSM, in order to be truly successful, requires extension of the cutting equipment down to at least 10 Hz, something very hard to achieve, particularly with tubed equipment. This was pointed out as the reason why Classic Records never issued any HSM during conversation with the owner of Classic Records in Milan, Italy, about 10 years ago. 

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Bla, bla, bla…


 

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eek.gif It looks like he forgot to clean his record!

post #2050 of 3321
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Half Speed Mastering is capable of sound exceeding the playback of master tape.

OK, you got me with this one. Are you saying that a vinyl copy of a master tape can sound better than the actual master tape? How is this possible?

BTW, i have never heard Dead Can Dance before and I am very pleased to be listening to the live album as I type this. I'm streaming it from MOG (wi-fi > Squeezebox Touch > TOSLINK > Asus Essence One > Sennheiser HD800) and it is really, really good! I will definitely be adding DCD to my collection - maybe even some vinyl. biggrin.gif
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A Corolla!  C'mon man!  That's funny.  And not right.

 

DCD... those two can sing.  He's a nice chesty sounding guy, and she is a great female vocalist.  Very good stuff.  Emotional.  

 

Check out this Youtube video, cause it's good.

 

"Toward the Within was recorded in one take in November 1993 "

 

Great!!! album.

 

 

post #2052 of 3321
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


OK, you got me with this one. Are you saying that a vinyl copy of a master tape can sound better than the actual master tape? How is this possible?

BTW, i have never heard Dead Can Dance before and I am very pleased to be listening to the live album as I type this. I'm streaming it from MOG (wi-fi > Squeezebox Touch > TOSLINK > Asus Essence One > Sennheiser HD800) and it is really, really good! I will definitely be adding DCD to my collection - maybe even some vinyl. biggrin.gif

Yes. The best answer you will get by reading the interview with Stan Ricker himself : http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/rickerinterview/

 

I was one of the very first adopters of Asus Essence One, got it "used" on ebay before it was available in US  - and god rid of the thing ASAP. No idea if it was defective, early production run with teething troubles, or whatever - bottom line, the analog section of that thing is such a mess that it certainly undermines whatever goodies there are in its digital part. It sounds strained, veiled, constricts dynamic range, in short - lifeless. Typical result for the direct copying of the application notes ( with the minimum requirements ) by the IC manufacturers.

 

A good DAC will sound much more natural. And another at least same increase in naturalness/life is available through vinyl - so you might as well skip the intermediate DAC part, at least as DCD are concerned. 

 

As pointed earlier, LP releases of this calibre as DCD are unfortunately far and in between.

post #2053 of 3321
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Originally Posted by Eee Pee View Post

A Corolla!  C'mon man!  That's funny.  And not right.

 

DCD... those two can sing.  He's a nice chesty sounding guy, and she is a great female vocalist.  Very good stuff.  Emotional.  

 

Check out this Youtube video, cause it's good.

 

"Toward the Within was recorded in one take in November 1993 "

 

Great!!! album.

 

 

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My apologies, wrong thread.


Edited by Destroysall - 7/23/13 at 3:23pm
post #2055 of 3321
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

Yes. The best answer you will get by reading the interview with Stan Ricker himself : http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/rickerinterview/


I was one of the very first adopters of Asus Essence One, got it "used" on ebay before it was available in US  - and god rid of the thing ASAP. No idea if it was defective, early production run with teething troubles, or whatever - bottom line, the analog section of that thing is such a mess that it certainly undermines whatever goodies there are in its digital part. It sounds strained, veiled, constricts dynamic range, in short - lifeless. Typical result for the direct copying of the application notes ( with the minimum requirements ) by the IC manufacturers.

A good DAC will sound much more natural. And another at least same increase in naturalness/life is available through vinyl - so you might as well skip the intermediate DAC part, at least as DCD are concerned. 

As pointed earlier, LP releases of this calibre as DCD are unfortunately far and in between.

I guess theres a reason why yours was posted on eBay, huh? Ive compared my Asus to the Benchmark DAC1, Grace Audio M903, and Violectric V800/V200 and it holds up very well. The differences are so minute that they may simply be my imagination.

Anyways, this isnt the forum for an objective/subjective discussion so I'll leave my point where it is. I havent used my TT in a while and this discussion has sparked a craving to listen to some records, which I plan on doing tonight. 😀
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