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post #2011 of 3690
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Originally Posted by dosley01 View Post


Some very cool turntables there!  The Salvation and Brinkmann might be way out of my league but the Inspire Hi-Fi's are pretty cool and the lower models are actually pretty reasonable.   Thanks for sharing, I would have probably not come across them otherwise.

I try to keep my posts at least a bit provocative - in order to make people aware there are more species than Rega and Technics or (place your favourite brand here). It is finding great new stuff at reasonable price before every sparrow is chirping how great it is - by then it will have its price "adjusted". 

 

I came across Salvation while looking for some totally unrelated turntable - on which forum I forgot. I knew the arm, and did not have a faintest idea that TT was designed to accompany it. I am grateful to the OP mentioning the Salvation as a most probably superiour alternative to the usual suspects that are priced at or well above Salvation and unlikely to offer similarly high SQ.

 

And I am extremely proud to have won the award for the "Cheapest Audio Component Ever" in the usual sweepstakes held at Mr. Franc Kuzma*s birthday party some ten years ago. TT suspension - made from the cheapest condoms on the market. In percentage, beat the second best bid by some 1000s. We did not have yet Euro as currency back then, but rougly it was the equivalent of somewhere between 1 and 2 Euros.

post #2012 of 3690
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

Agreed.

 

Then again - please read http://www.head-fi.org/t/45691/turntables - my first ever turntable post on head-fi. 

 

I looked at it, interesting read. You seem a bit irritated so i'll drop it and say that i'd really just like an answer to one simple question, have you ever actaully owned a Technics SL-1200? (Mk2)

 

And in the interest of keeping Skylab happy;

 


Edited by Greyson - 7/19/13 at 2:59pm
post #2013 of 3690
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Originally Posted by Greyson View Post

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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

Agreed.

 

Then again - please read http://www.head-fi.org/t/45691/turntables - my first ever turntable post on head-fi. 

 

I looked at it, interesting read. You seem a bit irritated so i'll drop it and say that i'd really just like an answer to one simple question, have you ever actaully owned a Technics SL-1200? (Mk2)

 

And in the interest of keeping Skylab happy;

 

Tell us more!  Cartridge?  That's a pretty tight listening space, that is, if you sit in front and in between the speakers.  What's on the right, a headphone box?  Receiver under the TT?

 

Since I only have one TT, I guess I have to post the same pics over and over to qualify for comment.

 

 

AppleMark

post #2014 of 3690
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Originally Posted by bbophead View Post

Tell us more!  Cartridge?  That's a pretty tight listening space, that is, if you sit in front and in between the speakers.  What's on the right, a headphone box?  Receiver under the TT?

 

It's larger in person than the photo makes it appear but yeah, the space is not ideal. It's what I have room for.

 

On the right is a box filled with record supplies, (sleeves, jackets, blank covers) some old records that belonged to my dad which I don't really listen to but keep for sentiment, and an assortment of duplicate records/stuff I bought and just didn't like, waiting to be sold. My primary collection is all in the box next to the turntable. I use an Ortofon 2M Red cartridge and a mid-90's Sony GX909ES reciever.

post #2015 of 3690

Thanks.  Reads like it sounds just fine.  No headphones?

 

 

AppleMark


Edited by bbophead - 7/19/13 at 7:03pm
post #2016 of 3690

Greyson, do you ever find the Polk speakers to be too bright sometimes?

post #2017 of 3690
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Originally Posted by bbophead View Post

Thanks.  Reads like it sounds just fine.  No headphones?

 

 

I have a pair of Denon AH-D2000's.

 

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Originally Posted by Destroysall View Post

Greyson, do you ever find the Polk speakers to be too bright sometimes?

 

Well, the highs are certainly accentuated with these towers, it was something I noticed immediatly when I first got them. It depends on the music but I wouldn't say that they are so bright as to be distracting in all but rare circumstances. I also have a matching set of Polk 35b bookshelf speakers for my computer rig and this particular line is, in my opinion, the absolute best value price to quality for new speakers.  

post #2018 of 3690
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Originally Posted by Greyson View Post

 

I looked at it, interesting read. You seem a bit irritated so i'll drop it and say that i'd really just like an answer to one simple question, have you ever actaully owned a Technics SL-1200? (Mk2)

 

And in the interest of keeping Skylab happy;

 

No, I have never personally owned a SL 1210. But - I had on "extended loan" (more than a year) a SP10MK2/EPA 100, came to work with at least two more samples of the same, own double digit number of various models of Technics SL linear tracking turntables and did service/refurbish some 5 or so 1210s that came to me through DJ channels fairly recently, say within last two years. It did provide a cross section of issues that can happen with 1210 - and between the worst and the best of samples received there are worlds of difference in SQ - once serviced/refurbished, they all performed as intended. I also have service manuals for all of the above mentioned TTs. So it can be said I have pretty good idea about Technics TTs, not based on 1210 experience alone. I own several more undisclosed TTs and will post the pics if and when I feel like it - so please no questions about this. All these TTs are being used to study both the sound and long term user experience in order to arrive at what is good/desirable and what is not. I have also seen and auditioned a few prototypes by various people I am not at liberty to discuss in public

 

And although I can not claim to have experience with every TT that ever turned on this planet, there is hardly a technical solution used to play vinyl I have not experienced yet. Of those, cantileverless phono cartridges, the Decca and Ikeda, are the greatest omissions that I am aware of. 

 

When I call any product a " semi product ", that is perhaps one of the greatest compliments it can possibly achieve. That means the potential of the original design ( meant as technical construction, damn the looks ) is far higher than realized in the commercially available product - for any reason.

1210's potential is far above its stock form and once heard what a well "processed" 1210 can achieve, the stock is a Good Bad Turntable. Trouble, as usual, it looks expensive to erase that Bad...

post #2019 of 3690

Well, i've used a lot of turntables as well, and i've owned and used a Technics SL-1210Mk2 as my sole turntable for several years, so while I do appretiate the apparent weight that your words carry, you don't actaully own one and don't live with one on a daily basis. Furthermore, beat up DJ-decks that come in for repair really arn't indicative of what the typical SL-1200 has to offer, those units have a hard life. Really, you used a lot of words just to say that the SL-1200 is a design that can be improved upon, it would have been much simpler to say that from the start and I don't disagree. My questions were not related to other Technics-series turntables and while those may provide a level of insight into the relative operation of similar turntables, they arn't the same, and you can only gleam so much.

 

tl;dr I do agree that the design can be improved upon, but I respectfully disagree with how necessary those mods are, and the measurable level of improvement vs. cost that they actaully provide.


Edited by Greyson - 7/20/13 at 4:47am
post #2020 of 3690
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Originally Posted by Greyson View Post

Well, i've used a lot of turntables as well, and i've owned and used a Technics SL-1210Mk2 as my sole turntable for several years, so while I do appretiate the apparent weight that your words carry, you don't actaully own one and don't live with one on a daily basis. Furthermore, beat up DJ-decks that come in for repair really arn't indicative of what the typical SL-1200 has to offer, those units have a hard life. Really, you used a lot of words just to say that the SL-1200 is a design that can be improved upon, it would have been much simpler to say that from the start and I don't disagree. My questions were not related to other Technics-series turntables and while those may provide a level of insight into the relative operation of similar turntables, they arn't the same, and you can only gleam so much.

 

tl;dr I do agree that the design can be improved upon, but I respectfully disagree with how necessary those mods are, and the measurable level of improvement vs. cost that they actaully provide.

A turntable has advanced well beyond what was ever originally expected of it. The measurements of wow, flutter and rumble do tell the basic picture - if they not at least respectable, it makes no sense improving anything else.

 

It is the acoustics of the turntable that is far harder to measure, qualify and/or quantify. No official standard available, one can use duplication of past methods by various sources to arrive at anything like comparable result. Most TT manufacturers, not only Technics, never actually made good sounding commercially available TTs. And I will say that for the SP10MK2 as well, despite being far more advanced design than 1210. 

 

The most glaring defect 1210 has, along with countless other turntables, is the power transformer within the deck. It does not belong in the turntable - period. It was and is being used as cost cutting measure. Transformers vibrate and that is being picked up by the cartridge. Any hum, transmitted either as mechanical vibration or electro magnetic interference, will colour the sound. Once you heard it removed, there is no way back.

 

And this is the first snowball one can start rolling atop snow covered mountain called 1210.

 

Only fairly recently, say within last 15 years, have manufacturers started to realize the "acoustics" of the turntable in more down to earth priced designs. Project RPM4 may be basic belt driver, but it is not resonant structure as 1210 - either in this or some other models, platter is made from industrial waste like mixture of wood, textiles etc, pressed together and machined as non resonant platter. 1210 platter, even with its plastic/rubbery

insert, rings in comparison badly and for far too long time to allow for the correct reproduction of signal recorded in the groove of the record being played. 

 

Previously, turntables that achieved quiet enough platters have resorted to mass and more mass, being priced out of reach of majority. One turntable that can be regarded as milestone regarding "acoustics" is Townshend's Rock and its later variants - it has spawned a whole bunch of TTs that adressed more or less the same issues.

 

And I did see DJ and pampered audiophile 1210s - depending on luck how well the bearings of the tonearm have been adjusted at the factory, it can be either to come on top. 

post #2021 of 3690
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Originally Posted by Greyson View Post

Well, i've used a lot of turntables as well, and i've owned and used a Technics SL-1210Mk2 as my sole turntable for several years, so while I do appretiate the apparent weight that your words carry, you don't actaully own one and don't live with one on a daily basis. ...

Really, you used a lot of words just to say that the SL-1200 is a design that can be improved upon, it would have been much simpler to say that from the start and I don't disagree. ...

tl;dr I do agree that the design can be improved upon, but I respectfully disagree with how necessary those mods are, and the measurable level of improvement vs. cost that they actaully provide.
appretiate the apparent weight that your words carry... Hmm, talk about polite insults. Somehow I tend to take opinions not very serious when people don't even bother or are plainly inable to write proper English even as their first language. (FYI: English is my third language.)
you don't actaully own one and don't live with one on a daily basis Neither do I, and guess why? There probably is a reason for that. I know I don't want one even if I got one for free.
I do agree that the design can be improved upon, but I respectfully disagree with how necessary those mods are Well, lets turn the argument around: maybe you have never owned a proper turntable that would make those flaws apparent. I think Analogsurvivor has a lot more experience than you. Or me. And I think he is using so many words just to be polite and show to have a founded opinion.
If the design of the 1200 were to be improved you would probably end up with a modern turntable from a different brand. wink.gif

This thread is called: show a picture of your turntable. Not; tell us why you hang on to your dogma's about the Technics 1200. So I suggest to stop bickering about them. Even if you are a fanboy. Please excuse my very direct reply. Sometimes it can be helpful to look into a glaring mirror.



What I came to say, (and again without picture because I didn't change TT): I bought new speakers (Genesis VI) and finally had them running as they should, aligned and balanced. For the first time I noticed how wonderfull my Koetse Urushi plays bass (and the rest). I played the last Björk album. Really mindblowing how clean, tight, deep and tunefull. No flapping subcones even when I tap the turntable. Just wonderfull music. biggrin.gif Just .... WOW!
post #2022 of 3690

Since you didn't post a picture:

This is the only TT I could find that analogsurvivor hasn't "fully" tested.

At least I don't think so...


Edited by parbaked - 7/21/13 at 9:52am
post #2023 of 3690
Ha ha!

Excellent!
post #2024 of 3690

Oh, the static she must be generating!  tongue.gif

post #2025 of 3690

WOW and flutter.    tongue.gif

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