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+1

ive read that if you place a record between to pieces of glass and turn your oven on to the minimum heat setting and leave it in there for 5-10 minutes that can fix it. Cant guarantee resulst though

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post #1292 of 3359
I have used glass before too, but left the record between the sheets and outside on a hot summer day (which is pretty much like putting it in an oven in So-Cal).

Worked pretty well. Jus be sure to allow the record to cool properly before removing it from the glass, and use heavy sheets, not standard window glass.
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It's coming together! beerchug.gif

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Thanks bud! It sounds great so far but I know its capable of so much more!!L3000.gif

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I got a new edge clamp and center weight...

 

TTW Audio out of Ontario supplied both.

The edge ring is pictured below with the "locator disc". 

Actually, this seems to work really well.  You just place the plastic locator disc on the metal clamp, then put that down on top of your record.

Then, the plastic locator disc lifts off, leaving the edge clamp behind (and in the right spot).

 

TTW Audio were a pleasure to deal with, and make a beautiful product...

and a product that is less than half the cost of the (*cough* way overpriced) VPI stabilizer ring.

 

so, here's the rig as of today...

 

 

 

 

Warped records?  I laugh in your general direction!!!   biggrin.gif

Generally, I am not fond of the rim weights, but this design once for a change makes some sense - it is acrylic or some similar material ? It is the nicest variation on the theme I have seen so far.

 

Still, I prefer vacuum to flatten my LPs. After I first experienced with Versa Dynamics tables, I knew one day I will have to get some vacuum suction device. It uses air pressure to press your record against the platter, flattening it in the process. Not with a couple of kg of force for the rim/clamp, but approx 250 kg due to vacuum and atmospheric pressure difference !

 

The most easily available is Audio Technica AT666EX  http://www.soundscapehifi.com/used-at-stabilizer-001.htm Here YT vid for 665BX which is basically the same thing, but with less clutter and more comfort http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eijU5LjvjNA

 

Here my second S/H sample that arrived yesterday, but got demaged at the rim during transport due to insufficient padding :

 

 

 

 

The box to the left of the TT is AT 661  vacuum pump . Upper close up showing vacuum valve closed, lower one open ( release ) 

 

Suction valve, where the hose is attached

 

...and what I will have to "live (un)happily ever after" with - because it is next to impossible to get people to pack as per instructions...

 

Rule # 1 for shipping : regardless what are you shipping, pack it so that it will securely survive fall from the 1 meter height - from any possible angle.

If you stiill wonder why you MUST do it even if you declared it as fragile, stamped "This side up", etc - enjoy watching :

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9JRmgo77D4

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq6u8JU6v4E

 

DHL are certainly not the only ones to blame, but they menaged to demage a perfectly good 30 years old AT666EX this time. It is still functional, yet at every look of the turning platter I will get reminded ...

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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

 

 

Phono gain adjustments are there because phono cartridges have different sensitivities - and because it (used to be )/is standardized how loud should a source be prior input to line preamp. In olden days, that meant .707 V at 0 dB, but then came CD with its 2 V nominal out ant things are in between these two valus "in grey area happily forever since ". If you set the phono gain too high relative to the cartridge in use, you would outstrip the pream capabilities - phono overload is not so problematic as it used to be in the first days of transistors, but expecting any reasonably priced phono preamp to offer 40 dB of overload margin ( 20 really required, and if you misadjust gain for MC ie60 dB for a MM cart requiring 40 dB of gain, that then requires 40 dB of overload margin ) is too much and is definitely calling for trouble. 40/43 and 60/63 settings are for covering the different sensitivities within the MM and MC group of carts respectively.

 

If you then still lack gain - line stage, or in modern days just "preamp" is something you will have to insert between the output of phono stage and input of whatever that does not achieve full level with the output of phono preamp alone.

 

Subsonics on turntable are of course connected with the link I have posted several times.  You might be shocked to learn that vast majority of record players play about only 20 % useful musical signal - all the rest is subsonic garbage, something it either needs to be filtered or requires equipment to have such great margins for overload - which even when it can be done, costs absurd amounts of money. Like instead of 100 W amps 1000+W amps etc - so if your arm does not allow LF resonance at approx 10 Hz of below + 4dB or so at the peak ( about 40 % more than it should have been ) but happily resonates at around usual + 12 dB ( approx 400 % - yes 4 times ) at its resonant point, subsonic filter is, regardless of what should be in theory, still a better choice for majority.

 

There ARE pickup arm/cartridges that behave at +4dB ( or even better ) at resonance - but they need painstaking adjustment(s) with test record(s) , never did grow on trees and are even less likely to do so today. And they do not come cheap, except with some lucky coincidence. But they will let you play bass as was recorded to the LP and was meant to be heard - without any subsonic filtering. 

 

 I sold entire 3 ( in a word: three ) LPs I owned in my life, one of them was unfortunately http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2746 which is considered classic and is now next to unobtainable - even if you agree with the exhorbitant price. Equipment is replaceable - records are not.

 

Thanks for your input Analogsurviver.

 

I am still waiting for my TT but have read the Phono Box manual and it states that for the 2M Red to set the gain at 40db.  In calculations that The Absolute Sound uses  the 5.5mV comes to roughly 45dB of gain required.  I think for the Phono Box I will try the 40dB gain and the 43dB and see how big a difference is.  I won't touch the 60 or 65dB.

 

I will research a "preamp"  So this is what I would need?..so it would look like....TT -->  Phono Preamp -->  Preamp ---> Headphone Amp -->  Headphones.  Right?

 

Thanks for your help..... I am a TT neophyte!

 

Take care..

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http://www.kabusa.com/pregain.htm

 

Very useful tool. At 5.5mv the 40db should be just fine.

 

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Thanks for your input Analogsurviver.

 

I am still waiting for my TT but have read the Phono Box manual and it states that for the 2M Red to set the gain at 40db.  In calculations that The Absolute Sound uses  the 5.5mV comes to roughly 45dB of gain required.  I think for the Phono Box I will try the 40dB gain and the 43dB and see how big a difference is.  I won't touch the 60 or 65dB.

 

I will research a "preamp"  So this is what I would need?..so it would look like....TT -->  Phono Preamp -->  Preamp ---> Headphone Amp -->  Headphones.  Right?

 

Thanks for your help..... I am a TT neophyte!

 

Take care..

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Woot just got my 2nd 1200mk2 back from the shop!  He thought it was the IC and had me track down some super hard to find rare IC (AN6675K) when the AN6675 was the right one and that wasnt even the problem.  Coil on the servo was blown.  Anywho 2 turntables fixed total cost $279.00 3 months wait time.   (total cost includes the price of the free turntables!)

 

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Well, I just hooked up the Transcriber.  Running it through a Rotel RA-1312 amp, with a set of Polk Audio bookshelf speakers.  (This is the system I have in my basement office) All I can say, I really missed listening to vinyl.  A totally different sound than today's digital.

 

I put on the first lp I cam across , The Doors Soft Parade.  What a hoot, it sounds great!!  I am simply amazed at the sound quality, even with these speakers.  I may have to figure out how to move this up to my main system.  

 

I was really thinking of selling the Transcriber, but now I am having second thoughts.  After 25 years in a box, the Transcriber works flawlessly.  Just listened to Miles Davis, Kind of Blue now listening to Cream-Disraeli Gears.  I can't believe how much I have missed this now that it is hooked up again.

 

I also found the original set-up instructions and a sales brochure for the Transcriber and Transcriptor with the vestigal arm.  I would post them but I can't attach anything.


Edited by gib48189 - 1/25/13 at 7:31pm
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Well, I just hooked up the Transcriber.  Running it through a Rotel RA-1312 amp, with a set of Polk Audio bookshelf speakers.  (This is the system I have in my basement office) All I can say, I really missed listening to vinyl.  A totally different sound than today's digital.

 

I put on the first lp I cam across , The Doors Soft Parade.  What a hoot, it sounds great!!  I am simply amazed at the sound quality, even with these speakers.  I may have to figure out how to move this up to my main system.  

 

I was really thinking of selling the Transcriber, but now I am having second thoughts.  After 25 years in a box, the Transcriber works flawlessly.  Just listened to Miles Davis, Kind of Blue now listening to Cream-Disraeli Gears.  I can't believe how much I have missed this now that it is hooked up again.

 

I also found the original set-up instructions and a sales brochure for the Transcriber and Transcriptor with the vestigal arm.  I would post them but I can't attach anything.

You sell that thing and I'll go nuts

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Contributing. 

 

 

Just a LOWLY Technics SL-B2. It's okay that's lowly though, it was free. What does it do right? Auto-return, noise floor is lower than I thought it would be. Speed stays RELATIVELY steady day to day with only minor correction every other week or so. 

 

 

 

I want to like the Grado SO BAD but I just don't. It has the potential to sound really good but it just doesn't track well at all. Next cartridge I'm going to try is the AT95E and see if I like it any better. 

 

I really want a simple Rega though until I address my digital end better I'm going to have to solder on with the Technics. It won't be so bad because seriously it's best attribute is that it just works. Doubt it'll set any hearts on fire though. Seeing some AWESOME tables here that probably would though. 

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Originally Posted by gib48189 View Post

Well, I just hooked up the Transcriber.  Running it through a Rotel RA-1312 amp, with a set of Polk Audio bookshelf speakers.  (This is the system I have in my basement office) All I can say, I really missed listening to vinyl.  A totally different sound than today's digital.

 

I put on the first lp I cam across , The Doors Soft Parade.  What a hoot, it sounds great!!  I am simply amazed at the sound quality, even with these speakers.  I may have to figure out how to move this up to my main system.  

 

I was really thinking of selling the Transcriber, but now I am having second thoughts.  After 25 years in a box, the Transcriber works flawlessly.  Just listened to Miles Davis, Kind of Blue now listening to Cream-Disraeli Gears.  I can't believe how much I have missed this now that it is hooked up again.

 

I also found the original set-up instructions and a sales brochure for the Transcriber and Transcriptor with the vestigal arm.  I would post them but I can't attach anything.

Great. Great music you are spinning on it too !

 

Those setup instructions would really be nice, as other stuff is available elsewhere http://rochesterhighendaudio.blogspot.com/2012/02/transcriptorsmichell.html. I still have the sales brochures for Transcriber - which in black and white looks very pedestrian compared to lavish colour photo presenting the Skeleton with the Vestigal arm. IMO, it is still the most original and fresh looking sales brochure for a turntable ever - beating a Transcriptors for looks is hard enough in flesh, let alone on photo. The closest came Oracle from Canada, and although it is a better sounding turtable ( Transcriber is a record player SYSTEM, not just motor , very hard to beat ), it can not possibly hide where the inspiration came from.

 

STOP THE PRESS !! While searching for the scan of Skeleton/Vestigal sales brochure, found this : http://www.analog-forum.de/wbboard/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=22428 It is pic of Transcriber stripped of its lid ( remember me having reservations regarding arm being mounted to almost half a metre square lid "microphone " ? ) - THAT must be the best sounding Transcriptors ever !!!

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Originally Posted by wullymc View Post

....a preamp like:

 

http://box-designs.com/main.php?prod=preboxs&cat=amplifier&lang=en

 

 

?

 

Thanks!

Yes. No experience with this Pro-Ject, but given their track record, you can not go too wrong with it. Perhaps someone who has been recently in  market for a line stage should chime in, with possible alternative units at the price point.  

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Originally Posted by RamblinE View Post

 

I really want a simple Rega though until I address my digital end better I'm going to have to solder on with the Technics. It won't be so bad because seriously it's best attribute is that it just works. Doubt it'll set any hearts on fire though. Seeing some AWESOME tables here that probably would though. 

 

If you can afford it, go for a Rega P1/RP1 or P2 with a glass platter, Ortofon 2M Red (or even better, 2M Blue). You will NOT be disappointed.

 

If not, a Denon DL-110 might be a good match for the Technics (assuming the tonearm is like most of the Japanese tables of the late '70s, early '80s; meaning higher mass). Check out Vinylengine for your table's arm specs. Compliance matching is pretty darn important.

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