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post #91 of 8735
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

The ECC88 is a 6DJ8 and the E88CC is a 6922. I can't say for sure that the JJ's are being true to the original specs, but a 6DJ8 and 6922 are slightly different. That said, but amps are using JJ's. Not a lot of choice, if you don't want to source NOS tubes.

It's interesting, if you look at the page I linked to at the JJ website the tube is listed as "E88CC - 6922, 6DJ8", if you click on the More>> link at the top of that document it says "ECC88"  ... so it seems they're positioning their tube (perhaps incorrectly?) as a replacement for all the above.  http://www.jj-electronic.com/pdf/E88CC.pdf

The entry in Wikipedia for the 6DJ8 says:

"Although not originally designed for the purpose, it became popular in hi-fi audio amplifiers. European-produced version of the tube is designated ECC88. An industrial (improved/higher ratings) version of the tube is designated 6922."

 


Edited by USAudio - 4/25/11 at 10:15pm
post #92 of 8735

hey guys Im wondeirng how well does the Lyr pair with the DT880 600 ohm?

post #93 of 8735
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Originally Posted by HK_sends View Post

I rolled the Genelex Gold Lion tubes into my Lyr and I must say I am impressed. Some have described the bass as "recessed" but I would venture "under more control"...the bass is there and delivers when needed, but it doesn't feature prominently. I find these tubes provide a more balanced, natural sound with the LCD-2s. I haven't tried the 6N1Ps I got from Schiit Audio yet, cause I'm still grooving to these. Any impressions of the 6N1Ps with the LCD-2s?

Cheers!beerchug.gif
-HK sends

The 6N1p tubes from Schiit sound much better than the GL's I feel like I wasted 100.00 on the Gold Lions they are too mid centric and light on bass. Try the 6N1p's from Schiit you will throw out the GL's faster than the roadrunner
with the LCD-2's
Edited by MrScary - 4/25/11 at 8:07pm
post #94 of 8735

Any reports on the GE grey glass in the Lyr? They can sound very good but every circuit is a little different. 

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I got some motorola branded GE Grey glass that I have not tried yet I will let you know
post #96 of 8735
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

Any reports on the GE grey glass in the Lyr? They can sound very good but every circuit is a little different. 


In fact I think I will roll them now..

Well They are bit lighter on bass then the Schiit 6N1P's but they are much smoother throughout the bass,mids and highs I kinda like them with my EE tube DAC which is a bit highly resolving the GE's have almost a calming sound to my ears
I will have to listen to some 192khz music to see how they handle the higher resolution audio..
Edited by MrScary - 4/25/11 at 10:06pm
post #97 of 8735
I don't have enough experience with the HE-4 to truly give an impression between the stock tubes and the 61NPs, so I ended up just putting in the 61NPs as soon as I got home. They sound fantastic right off the bat with the HE-4. I don't wanna say what the differences are because I honestly don't know. As soon as I get my D7000, I WILL know what the differences are, because the D7000 with the stock tubes has a sound I can't forget in comparison to the E9.

My stock tubes must have literally over 200 hours now... so these will get the same treatment as I wait for the D7000 to come back to me.

If anything so far, I BELIEVE (please take this as a guesstimation) that the bass is less prominent, more textured. Mids sound more forward, and treble isn't as sharp. Please give me some time to really get a feel for these. That's all I can say for now... and I'm only making some random assumptions from what I remember of the stock tubes. Burn in, and time with them will make me give a much more realistic impression.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/25/11 at 9:12pm
post #98 of 8735
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I don't have enough experience with the HE-4 to truly give an impression between the stock tubes and the 61NPs, so I ended up just putting in the 61NPs as soon as I got home. They sound fantastic right off the bat with the HE-4. I don't wanna say what the differences are because I honestly don't know. As soon as I get my D7000, I WILL know what the differences are, because the D7000 with the stock tubes has a sound I can't forget in comparison to the E9.

My stock tubes must have literally over 200 hours now... so these will get the same treatment as I wait for the D7000 to come back to me.

If anything so far, I BELIEVE (please take this as a guesstimation) that the bass is less prominent, more textured. Mids sound more forward, and treble isn't as sharp. Please give me some time to really get a feel for these. That's all I can say for now... and I'm only making some random assumptions from what I remember of the stock tubes. Burn in, and time with them will make me give a much more realistic impression.

put one stock tube in and one 6N1p and then do a fader comparison that gives a quick feel for the difference if you cant remember
post #99 of 8735
Though these puppies are brand new, the mids are close to how forward they are on the E9, though still not quite as forward (which is a good thing as the E9 to me is too mid rich with mid neutral or mid forward phones)..... One thing I definitely know is that the E9 is mid rich. The 6N1P tubes has better mids than the stock Lyr tubes. Of that I'm absolutely sure. Though the E9 isn't driving the HE-4 to it's full potential, the general tonal balance is obvious. The treble on the 61NP isn't near to how strong they are on the E9, which is a GREAT thing for the HE-4. I don't think people will complain about recessed mids on the HE-4 with these tubes, and most shouldn't find the treble too sharp now. TBH, although I can't quite remember the sound off the stock tubes in comparison... these are NOTICEABLY better matched for the HE-4.

I believe these tubes (even pre burn-in) would very much please the audiophile crowd who happen to own the HE-4. It sounds REALLY good, and very balanced, but so did the stock tubes to me... at least with the HE-4. I didn't particularly care for the stock tubes on the D7000, PC360, M50, but did like them with the KSC75 and HE-4.

I can't wait to truly compare them. I wish I had two Lyrs... biggrin.gif

Mr. Scary.... I don't trust myself to do it that way. I'm gonna wait on my D7000. The 6N1P are gonna stay in my Lyr until then. I won't be getting those back for 3-4 weeks.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/25/11 at 9:28pm
post #100 of 8735
Okay, so I put on my roomie's M50s and tested both the E9 and Lyr with the new tubes. The M50 definitely doesn't need much from either amp. In any case, the E9 still bests the Lyr with the M50. It sounds clearer, mids are just perfect, but the treble is a bit edgy in comparison to the Lyr. Again the M50 has less control of the bass (but it's still VERY controlled), and sounds fuller in the lower end, whereas the Lyr has bass control like I've never heard, and it punches just slightly harder. My personal preference is sub bass over mid bass, so I prefer the E9's room filling bass. To me, it's not a competition, the E9 just sounds better than the Lyr with the M50s IMHO. The Lyr however is CLOSE, and I'm sure people would prefer it for having less treble edge and less bass 'bloat'. You'd just be giving up those awesome E9 mids for that better bass control and 'pleasant-sounding' treble..

Just a tiny FYI... going from the HE-4 to the M50 was jaw dropping. It was like going from Ferrari to a Pinto. The difference in SQ is staggering. The M50 sounds SOOOO muffled in comparison. It did take me a few minutes to adjust to the lower quality sound of the M50. Crazy, as I REALLY like the M50.... just... once you hear something like the HE-4...uhh, you'll see why the M50 is $100 and the HE-4 isn't. biggrin.gif

So the new tubes didn't exactly change how I felt when I tested the M50 with these two amps before.

BTW, the new tubes still have plenty of bass for the M50s. I assume the same for the D7000.

Again, this is all out the box, so YMMV after burn in.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/25/11 at 10:07pm
post #101 of 8735
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Originally Posted by MrScary View Post

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

Any reports on the GE grey glass in the Lyr? They can sound very good but every circuit is a little different. 


In fact I think I will roll them now..

Well They are bit lighter on bass then the Schiit 6N1P's but they are much smoother throughout the bass,mids and highs I kinda like them with my EE tube DAC which is a bit highly resolving the GE's have almost a calming sound to my ears
I will have to listen to some 192khz music to see how they handle the higher resolution audio..


Well I listed to some Mozart at 192khz had to up the volume just a tad over the Schitt 6N1p's as the GE's were a bit lower in volume. I like these tubes a lot they have a much smoother presentation then the Schiit 6N1p's the GE's just sound better. I am going to keep these in the Lyr over the Schiit 6N1P's which are just a tad harsh with my setup. Thanks Jamato8 for the recommendation of these tubes. wink.gif
Edited by MrScary - 4/25/11 at 10:12pm
post #102 of 8735

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Originally Posted by PurpleCow View Post

hey guys Im wondeirng how well does the Lyr pair with the DT880 600 ohm?


"... Mike Moffat really likes the Lyr also with his 600Ω beyerdynamics"

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/schiit/9.html

 

 

post #103 of 8735
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Originally Posted by USAudio View Post

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"... Mike Moffat really likes the Lyr also with his 600Ω beyerdynamics"

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/schiit/9.html

 

 



thank you, so I sent over an email to Jason over at Schiit and this is what he replied with

 

"The Valhalla will be the more smooth and natural of the two (more tube-like, which, well, definitely makes sense, since it's all-tube). The Lyr turns up the dynamics and effortless presentation. Soundstaging on the Valhalla is a little better, but the Lyr is no slouch in that regard either."

 

is it possible to give the Lyr, the smooth and natural characteristics the Valhalla has with different tubes?

 

post #104 of 8735
BTW, I have big hands and fingers.... taking the tubes out took me no more than a few seconds each. It's NOT hard. Just grip the sides as best as you're able and gently rock it back and forth as you're pulling. People are making it a bigger deal than it really is once you get the 'trick' to get them out.
post #105 of 8735
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Originally Posted by MrScary View Post

Well I listed to some Mozart at 192khz had to up the volume just a tad over the Schitt 6N1p's as the GE's were a bit lower in volume. I like these tubes a lot they have a much smoother presentation then the Schiit 6N1p's the GE's just sound better. I am going to keep these in the Lyr over the Schiit 6N1P's which are just a tad harsh with my setup. Thanks Jamato8 for the recommendation of these tubes. wink.gif

That is one thing I noticed about the later 6N1P and why I like the 1965 black flat plate I have, they can sound gritty while the 1965 doesn't. There are many versions of the 6N1P though as there is of the Amperex. Even when I get back to Tucson I don't know if I will be able to get to my 6DJ8 types as they are in the back of my storage. I think I have at least 15 pair of the GE grey glass but I would really like to get to the old 6N1P's and some Amperex that are really USSR but the best sounding 6DJ8 I have heard. It is nice that the Lyr shows up the traits of the tubes so well. Some tube circuits don't and you don't really have the influence that you might want or the ability to mold the sound, which to me, is more fun. 
 

 

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