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rb

I returned from the LA meet to find I had a bright yellow parcel with my name on it.

I've nestled them in between some Electro Harmonix 300B's the @randytsuch loaned me.

They are a big step up from the JJ's but I'm only 30 minutes in.

 

Finished my first flac track of them "thar rusky tubes"   They sound like I'll leave em in long enough to see where the settle.

I'm impatient.... so that's a great sign.

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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

they sell rockets? 

obviously they do, but it has like zero information on date
Upscale's Rockets caught my eye...I'm sure they sound great, or they wouldn't sell them, but with no date info, it's a gamble. I'm really only interested in hearing Voskhod's best- the 75 Rockets. Good luck finding those though. Also, Upscale only has driver quality available, which probably translates to microphonic rockets. I'm kind of at the point where unless I spend a considerable amount (S/H CCA or Amperex Pinched Waist) the USN-CEP's will remain at the top of my list. Telefunkens are great, but don't have much bass presence, atleast my pair doesn't. Ediswan has Telefunken's clarity, but with the bass that's missing from my pair. The OG's are a great tube, but the USN-CEP's, well, this is a champion tube.
Edited by Zuckfun - 7/20/13 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

they sell rockets? 
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obviously they do, but it has like zero information on date, lolz like all their other stuff, the minus about them

Another minus for Upscale Audio: SUPPORT SUCKS. NO RESPONSE ON REQUEST FOR 2 WEEKS. and their contact is hard to find on their site too. 

Another another minus: their tube date is not the only thing not provided like Mercedesman and like basically ALL OTHER SELLERS --the SCORE is given RANDOMLY, my matsu****a tubes were 11k and someone else who bought a pair after my initial recommendation here got a pair with 15k score. WTF

I am going to downrate them 3 from their9.5 to 6.5 out of 10 for these.

Wow...too bad about that. I was going to get a pr of Siemans and Tele CCas to compare against these incredible '75 Voshkods. Because I've had 3 or 4 pairs of these and never heard details like I'm getting from these low cost Voshkods.

Maybe I should hold off?
Edited by rb2013 - 7/21/13 at 12:41pm
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Ooops.

 

I was hasty with my impression.  I don't think they pair well with the 300B

I have some benchmark tracks and, well, they failed.   As I said, I'm not a patient guy.

 

Rolled em' out.

 

But that's just me and this amp.

My vaunted RTC's don't pair well either.

Those were my end game valves, but not with this amp.

They are collecting dirt.

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Originally Posted by sceleratus View Post

rb
I returned from the LA meet to find I had a bright yellow parcel with my name on it.
I've nestled them in between some Electro Harmonix 300B's the @randytsuch loaned me.
They are a big step up from the JJ's but I'm only 30 minutes in.

Finished my first flac track of them "thar rusky tubes"   They sound like I'll leave em in long enough to see where the settle.
I'm impatient.... so that's a great sign.

Yes they do take 48 hrs burnin - min. But good to hear. Just got a PM from a long time Headfier...who just dropped in the'75s. Well just to say he is blown away! Thank you...3 times. DETAIL unbelieveable.
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Originally Posted by sceleratus View Post

Ooops.

I was hasty with my impression.  I don't think they pair well with the 300B
I have some benchmark tracks and, well, they failed.   As I said, I'm not a patient guy.

Rolled em' out.

But that's just me and this amp.
My vaunted RTC's don't pair well either.
Those were my end game valves, but not with this amp.
They are collecting dirt.

Totally different character then the Lyr? Too bad it's gone. This amp might be a good candidate for a Mullard. Then again, my long experience with the 300b, could be the different 300bs themselves. Always used WE, but they are crazy expense now.
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post


Totally different character then the Lyr? Too bad it's gone. This amp might be a good candidate for a Mullard. Then again, my long experience with the 300b, could be the different 300bs themselves. Always used WE, but they are crazy expense now.

Brent Jesse WE co. 300B's    $6000 hello !!!!

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I should give em' time but it's just not my nature if I have something that's blowing me away.

 

Plus this amp is so green.  It may have 20 hours on it.  Plus while waiting for the enclosure I bought Mundorf capacitors and Texas Components hand made naked metal foil resistors.  That stuff was played for the first time at the meet.

 

I'm not done with them just yet.  I want to listen to music for a while without being analytical on components.

In short.  I'm toast.

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Originally Posted by Zuckfun View Post

Upscale's Rockets caught my eye...I'm sure they sound great, or they wouldn't sell them, but with no date info, it's a gamble. I'm really only interested in hearing Voskhod's best- the 75 Rockets. Good luck finding those though. Also, Upscale only has driver quality available, which probably translates to microphonic rockets. I'm kind of at the point where unless I spend a considerable amount (S/H CCA or Amperex Pinched Waist) the USN-CEP's will remain at the top of my list. Telefunkens are great, but don't have much bass presence, atleast my pair doesn't. Ediswan has Telefunken's clarity, but with the bass that's missing from my pair. The OG's are a great tube, but the USN-CEP's, well, this is a champion tube.
I get you on the Voskhod date issue. There is a seller over on Audiogon with USNs

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/tubes-amperex-white-label-6922-e88cc-pair-usn-cep-pq-nos-nib-matched-pair-gold-pin-2013-06-27-accessories-92821-brea-ca
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Originally Posted by sceleratus View Post

Brent Jesse WE co. 300B's    $6000 hello !!!!

A guy on Audiogon has them for $3200..I Remember paying $1400 and thinking that was crazy.

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/tubes-western-electric-300b-matching-pair-2013-06-26-accessories-11229-brooklyn-ny
Edited by rb2013 - 7/20/13 at 11:33pm
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Originally Posted by sceleratus View Post

I should give em' time but it's just not my nature if I have something that's blowing me away.

 

Plus this amp is so green.  It may have 20 hours on it.  Plus while waiting for the enclosure I bought Mundorf capacitors and Texas Components hand made naked metal foil resistors.  That stuff was played for the first time at the meet.

 

I'm not done with them just yet.  I want to listen to music for a while without being analytical on components.

In short.  I'm toast.


Those excellent caps alone will take 50-100 hrs to burn-in.  In my experience caps take the longest.  An Ultra-detailed tube like these '75 Voskhods would not be kind...to say the least!  A Mullard or Amperex is probably your best best at this stage.

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Feedback from a long time Headfier on the select '75 Gray Shield Voskhods I sent:

 

"After 5 hours of assorted burn-in fodder...pink noise, different frequency sweeps, regular assorted music...I could wait no longer...

 

...Now remember I don't have the quality of stuff like you do.

I picked 4 reference songs I usually use because their production is so clean...3 Steely Dan songs that have a lot of subtle things to listen for and one off the remastered Led Zeppelin cd.  Listened to Black Cow, FM and the song Aja by Steely Dan and Babe I'm Gonna Leave You from Zep.

 

Now remember too...only 5 hours of burning.

 

Bob...pardon my French but  H O L Y  'COWCRAP' [edit]!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Just initial stuff.  In my system the only problem I had with the 80's silvers was that they were SO upfront in the presentation that it got a little crowded soundstage wise on some things.  The T1's aren't nearly as expansive in soundstage as your 800's so you're trying to jam more into a smaller space....the 80's on a busy song like Aja could get a little smeared and the treble on some things (and I LOVE treble) could get a tad over the top, even to me.  These approached that on a very few things (remember the T1's have more of a 2nd row presentation to your 800's 10th row) but very briefly and it probably was a volume thing on my part.  The mids are like you said, MUCH more liquid and lush...tons of detail without the edge.  I heard detail in those 4 songs Id never heard before and damn Bob, the new things I heard weren't subtle...they were like a velvet baseball bat to the side of my smilin' noggin'.

Just getting started...but you weren't kidding.  Soundstage wider and deeper and separation is exquisitely improved over the 80's. 

These are something special !!!!

Let me really get into these tonight and tomorrow...like you said, I want to get my mind wrapped around them.  More later.  THANK YOU !!"

 

 

 

"...and oh yeah, the bass is killer.  bass is not typically one of my highest priorities but that is some quality bass, great weight without being overblown."

 

What a great perspective on these different Voskhods.  Wait until they settle down and really open up.  Another 50-100 hrs down the road..trust me they will get even better!

 

Enjoy!o2smile.gif


Edited by rb2013 - 7/20/13 at 11:28pm
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Those excellent caps alone will take 50-100 hrs to burn-in.  In my experience caps take the longest.  An Ultra-detailed tube like these '75 Voskhods would not be kind...to say the least!  A Mullard or Amperex is probably your best best at this stage.

Thanks rb

 

Very objective recommendation.  I've been pushing so hard with this dumb thing, I need to declare a moratorium on adding stuff and figure out exactly what I have right now.

I think you are spot on with "ultra" detail at this point in time.  That was it.  They were clinical and narrow.

 

A huge "Thanks" to Old Skool for selling me his 58' Valvo PCC88's D getter.  Those are damn fine next to the 300b.   As in wow....across the entire spectrum.

At this point, they are rock'n the sockets and I can't keep em' in the box.  58' Bugle Boy's are a close 2nd.  Those are for head banger tracks.  Raw,  great musicality, but you can't listen to them for a long session.

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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

they sell rockets? 

obviously they do, but it has like zero information on date, lolz like all their other stuff, the minus about them

Another minus for Upscale Audio: SUPPORT SUCKS. NO RESPONSE ON REQUEST FOR 2 WEEKS. and their contact is hard to find on their site too. 

Another another minus: their tube date is not the only thing not provided like Mercedesman and like basically ALL OTHER SELLERS --the SCORE is given RANDOMLY, my matsu****a tubes were 11k and someone else who bought a pair after my initial recommendation here got a pair with 15k score. WTF

I am going to downrate them 3 from their9.5 to 6.5 out of 10 for these.

The Telefunkens I got from Upscale Audio were perhaps the most disappointing transaction I have ever had in this hobby. And no answer at all from their support.
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The Telefunkens I got from Upscale Audio were perhaps the most disappointing transaction I have ever had in this hobby. And no answer at all from their support.

i mean their name, upscale, snobby arses without any respect for costumers

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Very objective recommendation.  I've been pushing so hard with this dumb thing, I need to declare a moratorium on adding stuff and figure out exactly what I have right now.

I think you are spot on with "ultra" detail at this point in time.  That was it.  They were clinical and narrow.

 

They do need at least 48 hrs to open up - Your whole amp will settle in after a 100 hrs or so.  New caps can be icy cold - they especially need run time.

 

When I got the Lyr, it was a brand new unit.  It sounded pretty plain out of the box - very closed in.  I almost sent it back and returned to the Woo WA6-SE.  But my long time audio experience told me to be patient.  That patience was richly rewarded.  I'm selling the Woo to a friend and keeping the Lyr.

 

And in fact, will buy another Lyr for modding.  The combination of the Lyr and these 70's Voskhods and my HD800/ Black Dragons is incredible.  Detail and warm rich tonality like I have never experienced - even when I had my $60K super system.

 

Now I'm not using a Bifrost DAC.  In my two systems, both have tubed DACs. 

The very high end APL NWO (an older version with the ECC99) http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/aplhifi/nwo30go.html

and a Xindak DAC-5 http://www.xindak.com/english/products/showditail.asp?id=326

I'm using the Supra Sword interconnect on each (these alone cost more then the Lyr) and I'm feeding the Lyr and DACs with Synergistic Research X2 Ref power cords - from Tesla treated wall sockets.  I'm looking to take the Lyr to it's very limit of capability.

 

Just like my headphone amps, I'm not a big fan of solid state DACs as you can see.   My music source is from two custom built music servers, listening to wave files with Foobar and JPlay - then up-sampled to 24/176K with SoX.  I also have Hi-Def 32/176k files I made when I digitalized my LP/SACD/DVDA collection - these are amazing!

 

Since my source is extremely refined, the added detail, transparency and clarity of the '75 Voskhods in the Lyr, has really been shocking.  I mean old recordings like Phil Collins "Face Value"  that I have heard 100s of times over the decades, that was sounding just routine, has become a near religious experience!   All kind of detail is coming out that I never heard before.  "In the Air Tonight" had my heart racing with those incredible drum beats, and "The Roof is Leaking" had goosebumps running down my arms.   Man this is a blast...too much fun for just a guy in a chair listening to some HPs.

 

I knew I was really on to something when I put a '75 V in the DAC5 as well - and level of detail revealed increased again.   All with a sweet, rich musical tonality.  Deep, tight extended bass.  Expansive sound stage - wow!  These incredible sounds emerging from an ink black quiet background.

 

Now I'm going through my whole collection of old stuff: Led Zepp, Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell, etc...  On the newer recordings same thing: Mumford and Sons, Florence and the Machines, Brand New, etc.. - I mean breathtaking good.  I have been doing this critical listening now for a few hours a day for the last 2 months.

 

One other note  - the HD800s with the stock cord can be a bit thin in tone and bass extension, with a bright nature, even sibilant at times.  Read the multiple comments on this issue over at the 'Battle of the 58 Flagships' thread.  For me swapping in the Moon Black Dragon V2 cable - 'cured' this issue and increased the HD800s tonal richness and bass extension.  The Moons especially smoothed the sibilant problems.  Again, I was looking to take the HD800s to their extreme.  I still have to try the Stephan Audio Arts Endorphin cable - I have heard many good things about them.

 

But those who are using a ss DAC may need the lower level of detail of these other tubes, it may actually sound better I guess.  So far my disappointment with the SEL Lorentz PCC88 and the Siemens PCC88 gray shields has me looking another direction.  I am offering these Voskhod tubes to get a perspective on what they may do for other systems, so your feedback is greatly appreciated.  Give them a little burnin down the road once your amp has stabilized and see how they sound.

 

Good Luck!beerchug.gif
 

Edit: PS The Mundorf Silver Caps are a bit brighter then say a paper in oil cap.  And need even more burn in time.  At some point you may want to try the Teflon V-Caps.  I had these installed in my old Hurricane Amps - Wow!

Here is a cool Cap review: http://www.laventure.net/tourist/caps.htm

On the Mundorf Silver Caps (AA tier)

"This is an oil impregnated, metalized paper capacitor, with the same series configuration as the original MCap Supreme. High-purity silver is used for the capacitor coating, and the winding is impregnated with a special oil. Despite the hype, we found the sound to be similar to the regular MCap, above. The major difference is that the sound spectrum shifted upwards, adding emphasis to the highs, at the apparent expense of the bass. While this creates a greater sense of air and transparency, the impression of a diminished bass response may not make it the best choice for a full-range speaker system."

 

The Teflon V-Caps he rates best (AAA tier) - but have a very long burnin:

"With a 400 hour break-in (200 hour absolute minimum), we once complained that these weren't a "real world" product. However, they really are worth the wait. There's simply less "there" there than with any other capacitor we tried in any high voltage, audio signal circuit. They are more transparent, more detailed and, well, more of everything that you're looking for. Or perhaps less of everything you'd like to avoid. Properly placed, they'll reveal more of the ambient clues that distinguish individual sound spaces, as well as the individual voices and instruments within them"
 

How insane is this hobby????

My old Response modded 'Canes

http://responseaudiony.com/hurricane%20extreme.htm


Edited by rb2013 - 7/21/13 at 1:34pm
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