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post #8506 of 8735
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Originally Posted by NightFlight View Post

 

Watch out for a possible roaring tube habit.  I must have around $1K in tubes. Stupid Lyr. rolleyes.gif

 

I think I'm all done for a while, unless some super rare items come my way for cheap.

 

A few months ago, I started buying up some oddball/alternate tubes on eBay, tubes that work well in the Lyr but don't seem to get into the mainstream discussion here.  Many of them are built in the same Blackburn, Herleen and Munich factories, with the same materials, as the super expensive glass that gets all of the press, but at much lower prices.  I have found some stuff that sounds every bit as good as the expensive glass I own, along with others that while not in that absolute top tier, still sound very good to excellent.  I've got a box of mid 60s through 1970 Bugle Boys and OGs now that I need to go through as well, probably 20-25 pairs of those.  That led to buying a Maxi Preamp tube tester/matcher, and now I'm sitting on an inventory of over 750 tubes, finally getting close to start selling some of them.

 

   -Mike

post #8507 of 8735
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Originally Posted by mhamel View Post

 

A few months ago, I started buying up some oddball/alternate tubes on eBay, tubes that work well in the Lyr but don't seem to get into the mainstream discussion here.  Many of them are built in the same Blackburn, Herleen and Munich factories, with the same materials, as the super expensive glass that gets all of the press, but at much lower prices.  I have found some stuff that sounds every bit as good as the expensive glass I own, along with others that while not in that absolute top tier, still sound very good to excellent.  I've got a box of mid 60s through 1970 Bugle Boys and OGs now that I need to go through as well, probably 20-25 pairs of those.  That led to buying a Maxi Preamp tube tester/matcher, and now I'm sitting on an inventory of over 750 tubes, finally getting close to start selling some of them.

 

   -Mike

do you have rtc e188cc white labels? do you think they are worth 90 bucks a pair?

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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

do you have rtc e188cc white labels? do you think they are worth 90 bucks a pair?

 

I've got two pairs of them.   They're very nice tubes, and from what I've read here from several people, they are possibly end-game tubes with the HD650s, but I wasn't thrilled with them in comparison to the halo-getter Herleen rtc tubes.   Those tubes for $90 a pair aren't necessarily matched.   The same seller lists them as a "lot of 2" for $90, but also has another listing for a matched pair for $160 BIN and another listing for matched pairs with a $110 starting bid.

 

   -Mike

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Originally Posted by mhamel View Post

 

I've got two pairs of them.   They're very nice tubes, and from what I've read here from several people, they are possibly end-game tubes with the HD650s, but I wasn't thrilled with them in comparison to the halo-getter Herleen rtc tubes.   Those tubes for $90 a pair aren't necessarily matched.   The same seller lists them as a "lot of 2" for $90, but also has another listing for a matched pair for $160 BIN and another listing for matched pairs with a $110 starting bid.

 

   -Mike

i see. who sells herleen rtc tubs?

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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

i see. who sells herleen rtc tubs?

 

There was an eBay seller from France that had quite a few of them, but they're long-since sold out.   Brent Jesse has the same vintage e188cc/7308 tubes, also from the Herleen factory under various labels, but they are considerably more expensive.   He's an excellent seller, though and his page on 6DJ8s and variants is a must read if you're new to tubes.

 

Here's his 6DJ8 page:  http://www.audiotubes.com/6dj8.htm  - looks like the 60s vintage 7308 Philips/Herleen tubes are $350/pair.


Edited by mhamel - 7/12/13 at 2:41pm
post #8511 of 8735
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Originally Posted by mhamel View Post

 

A few months ago, I started buying up some oddball/alternate tubes on eBay, tubes that work well in the Lyr but don't seem to get into the mainstream discussion here.  Many of them are built in the same Blackburn, Herleen and Munich factories, with the same materials, as the super expensive glass that gets all of the press, but at much lower prices.  I have found some stuff that sounds every bit as good as the expensive glass I own, along with others that while not in that absolute top tier, still sound very good to excellent.  I've got a box of mid 60s through 1970 Bugle Boys and OGs now that I need to go through as well, probably 20-25 pairs of those.  That led to buying a Maxi Preamp tube tester/matcher, and now I'm sitting on an inventory of over 750 tubes, finally getting close to start selling some of them.

 

   -Mike

you acquired 750 tubes in a few months !!  now that makes me feel much better with 5 x pair in 2 weeks

 

So out of all that oddball stuff what unknown gems did you discover that you could let us know about :)

post #8512 of 8735
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Originally Posted by NightFlight View Post

Watch out for a possible roaring tube habit.  I must have around $1K in tubes. Stupid Lyr. rolleyes.gif

I think I'm all done for a while, unless some super rare items come my way for cheap.

I am a tweak too and I love audio gear, longtime audiophile, in the business actually. But let me ask you this, if you take the worst pair of tubes you have and listen to them for a few days then put in the best set you have, do you hear a $1000 difference? 😀
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Originally Posted by mhamel View Post

 

There was an eBay seller from France that had quite a few of them, but they're long-since sold out.   Brent Jesse has the same vintage e188cc/7308 tubes, also from the Herleen factory under various labels, but they are considerably more expensive.   He's an excellent seller, though and his page on 6DJ8s and variants is a must read if you're new to tubes.

 

Here's his 6DJ8 page:  http://www.audiotubes.com/6dj8.htm  - looks like the 60s vintage 7308 Philips/Herleen tubes are $350/pair.

I paid $175 a pair for these.

The white box, dimple getter, Mullard Mitcham's are not even close.

 

 


Edited by sceleratus - 7/12/13 at 6:53pm
post #8514 of 8735
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Originally Posted by mhamel View Post

 

There was an eBay seller from France that had quite a few of them, but they're long-since sold out.   Brent Jesse has the same vintage e188cc/7308 tubes, also from the Herleen factory under various labels, but they are considerably more expensive.   He's an excellent seller, though and his page on 6DJ8s and variants is a must read if you're new to tubes.

 

Here's his 6DJ8 page:  http://www.audiotubes.com/6dj8.htm  - looks like the 60s vintage 7308 Philips/Herleen tubes are $350/pair.

you mean this one? since someone talked about the rtc it has been available ever since nobody has touched it

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-NEW-TUBE-E188CC-7441-RTC-MORE-AVAILABLE-/121103171111?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c324fbe27

 

he also sells the mullards at the same price

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-NEW-TUBE-E188CC-8306-RTC-MULLARD-MORE-AVAILABLE-/111063114355?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item19dbe0a273

, which means, if they such way more, then these green ones are a steal even at that price,  albeit others selling the whites at half the price

 

but it's still a 200 dollar pair, which means they need to sound that good to be worth it---telefunkens can be aquired that much

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you mean this one? since someone talked about the rtc it has been available ever since nobody has touched it

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-NEW-TUBE-E188CC-7441-RTC-MORE-AVAILABLE-/121103171111?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1c324fbe27

 

he also sells the mullards at the same price

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-NEW-TUBE-E188CC-8306-RTC-MULLARD-MORE-AVAILABLE-/111063114355?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item19dbe0a273

, which means, if they such way more, then these green ones are a steal even at that price,  albeit others selling the whites at half the price

 

but it's still a 200 dollar pair, which means they need to sound that good to be worth it---telefunkens can be aquired that much

IMO

You don't want either.  They are 1970's non-O getter.  Including the green model.

Just because they are "green" doesn't mean they are the best 1960's RTC's.

Let me add that I use LCD2 Rev2 cans.

 

The reason they are available is they are'nt the good ones.

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I just got four Voskhod 6N23P that I ordered a while back for $5 each. I'm actually pretty happy about this as the listing didn't specify if they were Voskhod or Reflector.

Two of the tubes are with the silver getter stand, an 80 and 82, one is an 81 with a grey getter stand and the last is a 1973 with a wire getter stand. I've never seen one of these from prior to 1975 so this is pretty interesting.
Edited by Sanlitun - 7/12/13 at 8:52pm
post #8517 of 8735
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Originally Posted by sceleratus View Post

IMO

You don't want either.  They are 1970's non-O getter.  Including the green model.

Just because they are "green" doesn't mean they are the best 1960's RTC's.

Let me add that I use LCD2 Rev2 cans.

 

The reason they are available is they are'nt the good ones.

yeah i figure. How do you know what's good and what's not

post #8518 of 8735
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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

yeah i figure. How do you know what's good and what's not

I went into great detail in a PM

post #8519 of 8735
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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

yeah i figure. How do you know what's good and what's not

 

I would not say those Mullard RTCs are bad.   They just don't seem to play well with LCD-2s.   As I mentioned before, people with HD650s have raved about how great they are.

 

You learn what's good and what's not by reading, researching, but ultimately by trying in your own system with your own ears.   The sound of a particular tube may be great to you, horrible to someone else.  Every component in the chain of gear you're playing through can and will affect the sound and with the Lyr, tubes are a big part of that chain.   You might love the sound of a certain pair, but then plug-in some different cans and find you suddenly don't like them anymore.  That can get very expensive, very fast.

 

Personally, I think it makes more sense to work your way through different tubes rather than dropping the budget on super expensive glass out of the box.   I've heard lots of people start off saying they want to buy the "best" tubes and that will be it - yet  almost every single one of them still ends up buying/rolling others.  Let's face it, tube-rolling is fun in this amp.   It plays well with a wide variety of 6DJ8, equivalent and similar tubes, many of which are readily available, and it only requires one pair at a time for what can be drastic differences in sound.   Along the way you can learn quite a bit about how to ID tubes, read date codes, spot fakes, etc.  Again, taking that path is just my own personal opinion.

 

There's also a wealth of information in this thread if you take the time to sift through it.

 

Anyways, enough late night rambling for now... the most important things are that it's fun and enjoyable.

 

   -Mike


Edited by mhamel - 7/12/13 at 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by hedphonz View Post

you acquired 750 tubes in a few months !!  now that makes me feel much better with 5 x pair in 2 weeks

 

So out of all that oddball stuff what unknown gems did you discover that you could let us know about :)

 

Well, there are a lot of them that sound very good.   However, at the moment I'm listening to some 1959 d-getter ecc189s made in Herleen.  Basically a 6DJ8 with variable Mu, they happen to work very well in the Lyr.   Same factory, same workers, same metallurgy / chemistry as other more popular/expensive tubes..  I had to buy three of them to get a good matched pair, which cost me around $45 in total... I got lucky with these and found singles from different sellers that had date codes within a couple of months of each other.   I think they sound every bit as good as their 6DJ8 cousins, if not better.   Airy/open highs, beautiful smooth slightly warm mids,  and clean non-bloated bass.   They're also very quiet, with little-to-no microphonics.   They've found their way quickly into the "nope, not for sale ever" stash.   The same vintage 6DJ8s from the same factory go for $175+ per pair from a very reputable seller.  

 

   -Mike


Edited by mhamel - 7/12/13 at 10:38pm
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