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Hopefully those who recently received the Upscale Telefunkens will share their impressions. The USN-CEP's are fantastic tubes- well rounded, gorgeous Amperex sound, and bass SLAM. I'm glad to say my tube search (atleast temporarily) has reached a happy conclusion. Don't underestimate Upscale's Ediswans. Some of the clearest and cleanest tubes I've heard. Between the OG's, USN-CEP's, and Ediswan, I have enough great glass to keep me rocking and rolling for years. Thanks for everyone's help and input- My headphone smile is partly because of you.
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Edited by Zuckfun - 7/10/13 at 8:58pm
post #8462 of 8735
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Originally Posted by frostworth View Post

Hi guys, new the whole audiophile thing, but I've sort of just jumped the gun and purchased a Schiit Lyr and an HE-500. Not looking to buy a DAC at the moment since I just threw a ton of cash, but is it fine just to hook up this amp to my computer with RCA to 3.5mm cables? There wouldn't be any problems with that, right?

That'll work fine to get you by for now. Unfortunately the quality of that audio out on your computer is going to hurt the sound quality, but you know it's just temporary....what kind of files do you plan on playing and with what software?
post #8463 of 8735
My Upscale Telefunkens arrived today and I was pretty disappointed to find they had the disputed u2108604f date codes and on one of the tubes rather badly bent pins (see http://www.head-fi.org/g/i/884760/a/785793/telefunken-e88cc-purchased-from-upscale-audio/sort/display_order/).

There are a lot of these Telefunken tubes floating around on Ebay and with various dealers and a lot of doubt surrounding them. There are people who say they are reworks, military surplus pulls or that they are relabeled ECC88 or 6DJ8. In my opinion they are certainly genuine Telefunken tubes either E88CC or ECC88 from the late 60's, but they are probably not new tubes in the modern sense of the word "new". I actually think that Upscale Audio handles this well by selling these by grade and ignoring the back story.

So how do they sound? Well interestingly enough they are fabulous. Crystal clear treble without a hint of congestion or opacity. Fantastic resolution with that sort of "they're in the room" presence that only tubes can give you. This is why I love Telefunken tubes.

In any event I am happy to have these and happy I just didn't send them back out of hand.
post #8464 of 8735
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Originally Posted by Sanlitun View Post

My Upscale Telefunkens arrived today and I was pretty disappointed to find they had the disputed u2108604f date codes and on one of the tubes rather badly bent pins (see http://www.head-fi.org/g/i/884760/a/785793/telefunken-e88cc-purchased-from-upscale-audio/sort/display_order/).

There are a lot of these Telefunken tubes floating around on Ebay and with various dealers and a lot of doubt surrounding them. There are people who say they are reworks, military surplus pulls or that they are relabeled ECC88 or 6DJ8. In my opinion they are certainly genuine Telefunken tubes either E88CC or ECC88 from the late 60's, but they are probably not new tubes in the modern sense of the word "new". I actually think that Upscale Audio handles this well by selling these by grade and ignoring the back story.

So how do they sound? Well interestingly enough they are fabulous. Crystal clear treble without a hint of congestion or opacity. Fantastic resolution with that sort of "they're in the room" presence that only tubes can give you. This is why I love Telefunken tubes.

In any event I am happy to have these and happy I just didn't send them back out of hand.

 

are these the ones ?

 

 

http://www.upscaleaudio.com/products/Telefunken-E88CC-%7B47%7D-6922.html

post #8465 of 8735
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Originally Posted by hedphonz View Post

 

are these the ones ?

 

 

http://www.upscaleaudio.com/products/Telefunken-E88CC-%7B47%7D-6922.html

yes. Can anyone explain why they come in such pristine state? how in the world can these tubes have perfectly new print and clean glass? and why is the print in yellow instead of owhite?

post #8466 of 8735

the mullard tooling style is really that kind of swag sound that puts you in that comfort zone yet elegantly so. Granted they are not the best detail, but they really have that attitude.

 

it's like listening to some really great vinyl or some great old stereo or boombox.


Edited by Overwerk - 7/10/13 at 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by ilikepooters View Post

Well what do we have here? biggrin.gif

 

 

Now i know what you're thinking... Those look like russkies!

 

Well they are, i acquired them for only £12 and both test NOS on my tester, i don't think the seller knew quite what he had here.

 

And yes those are the long silver shields and look remarkably like Voskhod construction, they even sound like Voskhod silver shields popcorn.gif

 

The gold pins don't look right though, i'm guessing someone tarted up the pins and painted E88CC on them so make them more saleable, just a shame i'll never know what year they're from frown.gif


 I have some like this. I bought some from Jim Fish 15 years ago like this. Half had these 'funny' gold pins, half didn't. They were certainly Russian 'fat bottles' from 60sn or 70s. I will see if I can dig them out, fairly sure they are all badged by Pinnacle as Foreign. I also think they carried the CV2492 lable.

post #8468 of 8735
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The early 70's pair of Reflektor 6N23P-EB I am listening to in my Musical Fidelity X-Can V2 sound absolutely amazing...

 

The -EB or -EV version are a completely different animal, the standard 6N23P Reflektors are lacklustre.

 

rb2013 seems to have found a 1967 pair that sound good, but i'm betting he can find Voskhods from a greater number of years that sound the same or better.

post #8469 of 8735
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The -EB or -EV version are a completely different animal, the standard 6N23P Reflektors are lacklustre.

 

rb2013 seems to have found a 1967 pair that sound good, but i'm betting he can find Voskhods from a greater number of years that sound the same or better.


+1 Yes the the 1967 Reflektors had a different getter - the inverted saucer getter - like the Voskhods.

 

I have these 1983 Reflektors treated with the Super Cyro Treatment I bought from Cryoset years ago.  They suck compared to any of the Voskhods.

 


Edited by rb2013 - 7/11/13 at 7:50am
post #8470 of 8735
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Nic Rhodes "They were certainly Russian 'fat bottles' from 60sn or 70s."

How do you know the dates if they have been wiped clean?


Edited by rb2013 - 7/11/13 at 7:54am
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How do you know the dates if they have been wiped clean?

The construction probably gives them away, the pair i have with the long silver shield are most likely 1970's, anywhere from 71-79 at a guess, i've not seen any 60's or 80's with the long silver shield yet.

 

From the tubes i've had, the construction appears to be the following:

 

Long grey shield with dual getter supports: 69 and 70

Long grey shield: 71-77

Long silver shield: 75-79

Short silver shield: 78-84

Short grey shield: 84-2002

 

I've only owned a limited quantity of these tubes so the ranges might possibly expand a little bit more, but it seems they changed the tooling very often, very inconsistent.

post #8472 of 8735
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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post

How do you know the dates if they have been wiped clean?


beacause of the source the tubes were originally bought from, placed in store until I went through the stash.

post #8473 of 8735
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Originally Posted by ilikepooters View Post

The construction probably gives them away, the pair i have with the long silver shield are most likely 1970's, anywhere from 71-79 at a guess, i've not seen any 60's or 80's with the long silver shield yet.

 

From the tubes i've had, the construction appears to be the following:

 

Long grey shield with dual getter supports: 69 and 70

Long grey shield: 71-77

Long silver shield: 75-79

Short silver shield: 78-84

Short grey shield: 84-2002

 

I've only owned a limited quantity of these tubes so the ranges might possibly expand a little bit more, but it seems they changed the tooling very often, very inconsistent.


Is this for just the Voskhod Rockets?  Do you mean the horizontal grids being long or short (in the middle of the top mica)?  Or the vertical shield that leads up and becomes the getter post (that run up the outside portion of the tube)?

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Originally Posted by rb2013 View Post


Is this for just the Voskhod Rockets?  Do you mean the horizontal grids being long or short (in the middle of the top mica)?  Or the vertical shield that leads up and becomes the getter post (that run up the outside portion of the tube)?

 

Yes just my experiences with the rockets.

 

What i mean by shield is like the following picture, i identify them from the top of the shield protruding from the top mica and underneath the getter.

post #8475 of 8735

http://www.head-fi.org/t/549508/schiit-lyr-the-tube-rolling-thread/7725#post_9537003

 

Oh yes I remember now.  I call them grids. Thanks!  I stay with the terminology from the S&H CCa - the "shield" being the vertical plate.

 

Of course the difference with the Voskhod Rockets the shield runs all the way up and becomes the getter post.

 

S&H CCa gray shield (from www.Tubeworld.com site  https://www.tubeworld.com/index_high.htm)

 

 

 

S&H CCa Silver shield

 

 

 

Voskhod 6N23P - Silver 'shield' and Gray 'shield'

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the problems in using this horizontal grid (you call 'shield')  for classification is that some have 2 colored grids - silver on one side/ gray on the other (see the Head-Fi post link on the top).

 

I think the confusion is our different terminology.

 

Of course this will all be forgotten in three pages of new posts!  Which ones are silver?


Edited by rb2013 - 7/11/13 at 10:55am
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