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post #7861 of 8735
That's interesting LS. Do you think the higher reading after the start of use could be the tube settling and reaching optimum performance., i.e. burning in?

Or just coincidence?

Btw, great info as usual.
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Originally Posted by Lord Soth View Post


As a New tube is used, it's readings actually shoot up slightly initially, hence a "used" tube could have higher readings than a completely "new" tube.
post #7862 of 8735
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Originally Posted by ImToeKnee View Post

Anybody with LCD-2's here? biggrin.gif


Which tubes compliment the LCD-2 best?
I believe nelamvr6 has the LCD-2 and he highly praises the Amperex Orange Globes late 60's tube paired with this headphone. Hopefully he'll offer his perspective on the subject
Edited by Zuckfun - 6/22/13 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by Zuckfun View Post


I believe nelamvr6 has the LCD-2 and he highly praises the Amperex Orange Globes late 60's tube paired with this headphone. Hopefully he'll offer his perspective on the subject

+1

 E188CC (7308) and E88CC (6922)  are a grade (better spec) Than ECC88.

LCD2's like Amperex Orange Globe ECC88's 1968 and earlier.  They were made in Heerlen Holland (Netherlands) and have a small ∆ etched in the glass, followed by a single letter designating the year they were made, then the month and week code.  Look for an "O" getter (halo) at the top of the glass. I like the large "O" over the small "o"  both are beautiful.   After 1969 the getters became discs with bumps.  "dimple getters.   Nice, but I like the 60's better.   IMO  

 

Amperex 6922's were made in NY.  Usually with military markings like "USN-CEP 6922"  These are very nice but twice the price.

post #7864 of 8735
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Originally Posted by Zuckfun View Post


I believe nelamvr6 has the LCD-2 and he highly praises the Amperex Orange Globes late 60's tube paired with this headphone. Hopefully he'll offer his perspective on the subject

 

 

You are correct.

 

I would also have high praise for the RTC E188CC valves.  And  there are other choices that pair quite well with the LCD-2s.

 

I prefer the Amperex Orange Globes primarily for the sliky smooth, "tubey" midrange.  But if you prefer a slightly less fluid, leaner midrange the RTCs are the tubes for you.  In most other respects, I'd rate these two tubes as a push.  They both have excellent bass response, fantastic treble, and amazing soundstage, presence and air.

 

You won't go too far wrong either way.

 

My list of favorite tubes is as follows:

 

1. Amperex 6DJ8 Orange Globes 1968

2. RTC E188CC circa 1967

3. Amperex USN 6922 D Getter 1960

4. Amperex 6DJ8 Bugle Boy 1966

5. Amperex USN-CEP 6922 '60's.

 

ANY of these tubes will sound at least great with the LCD-2 headphone.  

 

But bear in mind, these are my favorites, I came up with this list using my ears and my preferences with respect to sound signature.  I don't think it's very likely, but it is possible for a person to reasonably disagree with every single one of my selections.


Edited by nelamvr6 - 6/22/13 at 9:26pm
post #7865 of 8735
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Originally Posted by sceleratus View Post

+1

 E188CC (7308) and E88CC (6922)  are a grade (better spec) Than ECC88.

LCD2's like Amperex Orange Globe ECC88's 1968 and earlier.  They were made in Heerlen Holland (Netherlands) and have a small ∆ etched in the glass, followed by a single letter designating the year they were made, then the month and week code.  Look for an "O" getter (halo) at the top of the glass. I like the large "O" over the small "o"  both are beautiful.   After 1969 the getters became discs with bumps.  "dimple getters.   Nice, but I like the 60's better.   IMO  

 

Amperex 6922's were made in NY.  Usually with military markings like "USN-CEP 6922"  These are very nice but twice the price.

 

 

I have not heard any dimple disk getter tubes, but you and I have had similar taste in most of the tubes we've both tried so far, so I trust your judgement.

 

As for the USN-CEP 6922s, they are amazing, worth every penny!  They remind me a lot of your favorite RTC valves.  The only reason they aren't higher on my list is my yearning for that tubey midrange...

post #7866 of 8735
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Originally Posted by OldSkool View Post

Why does the HD650 pair so well with the Amperex orange A-frames? I snagged a pair of orange PQ's on Audiogon last week and just now sitting down to enjoy them.

 

Killer combo, IMO

 

beerchug.gif

 

 

Hard to explain the synergy that happens sometimes.  Best not to worry too much and just enjoy! beerchug.gif

post #7867 of 8735

If anybody wants a set of the La Radiotechnique RTC E188CC (Herleen Holland) tubes with ultra low mileage (10 hours) on them, I have a set I am willing to part with.

Just PM me.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/111037665429?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

 

Cheers!beerchug.gif

-HK sends

 

PS - That would be #2 on nelamvr6's list...


Edited by HK_sends - 6/22/13 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by nelamvr6 View Post

 

 

You are correct.

 

I would also have high praise for the RTC E188CC valves.  And  there are other choices that pair quite well with the LCD-2s.

 

I prefer the Amperex Orange Globes primarily for the sliky smooth, "tubey" midrange.  But if you prefer a slightly less fluid, leaner midrange the RTCs are the tubes for you.  In most other respects, I'd rate these two tubes as a push.  They both have excellent bass response, fantastic treble, and amazing soundstage, presence and air.

 

You won't go too far wrong either way.

 

My list of favorite tubes is as follows:

 

1. Amperex 6DJ8 Orange Globes 1968

2. RTC E188CC circa 1967

3. Amperex USN 6922 D Getter 1960

4. Amperex 6DJ8 Bugle Boy 1966

5. Amperex USN-CEP 6922 '60's.

 

ANY of these tubes will sound at least great with the LCD-2 headphone.  

 

But bear in mind, these are my favorites, I came up with this list using my ears and my preferences with respect to sound signature.  I don't think it's very likely, but it is possible for a person to reasonably disagree with every single one of my selections.

Yea.

What he said !

post #7869 of 8735

Well the Voshkods have been under re-evaluation with the assertion that more time is required. I created a 38Ohm dummy load and so far they have around 48hrs on low resistance.  For the record, endlessly repeating some "Tracy Chapman".  In fact, track #5 is what threw me off the Voshkod. The bass line is perhaps a bit overblown in the original recording.  Now in my defense a bass line is the most easily identifiable section of a track. A audiophile you could say is born or drawn through bass and evolves from it. So after a point in said development, if the bass suffers, they may dismiss the rest.

 

So in additional 48hrs I found the base tightened up significantly. But it was still overblown. By my calculations my NOS Voshkod only had ~100hrs on them.

 

To check, I swapped the Siemens back in. I have to say that... RB one of the following is true. One of us is in denial or the Voshkod take another 100hrs to flourish.  As the commander said that the beginning of the 5th element "I have a doubt".

 

I'm going to give them another 100hrs and then compare again. But I tell you the Siemens Cca didn't need any break in time. They just did what they do right off the hop....and then they just got better and.... better and better.  The fact that I picked up my pair for $240 means steals can be had.

 

Putting another 100hrs on them is going to be tough because this equates to a good week of withdrawl.


Edited by NightFlight - 6/23/13 at 12:06am
post #7870 of 8735
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Originally Posted by AiDee View Post

That's interesting LS. Do you think the higher reading after the start of use could be the tube settling and reaching optimum performance., i.e. burning in?

Or just coincidence?

Btw, great info as usual.

Yes. This is "burn-in" for tubes.

Those R&D folks in tube mfg companies during the golden era of tubes have plotted out a mA (vertical axis) vs length of use in hrs ( horizontal axis).

Xxx
X. X
X X
X. X
X
X

Every tube from little preamp tubes (ecc88) to the big output EL34 tubes show the same characteristic.

Hence a properly matched pair of tubes needs warmup time to settle down, i.e. mA is stable, before you can conclude that the tubes are matched.
post #7871 of 8735
Whoops !

I was trying to draw a diagram showing an ^ shape in the above post! wink.gif
post #7872 of 8735
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Originally Posted by NightFlight View Post

 A audiophile you could say is born or drawn through bass and evolves from it. So after a point in said development, if the bass suffers, they may dismiss the rest.

 

 

I was drawn through treble, detail and clarity but funnily enough ended up evolving to bass or colouration - i often do things backwards though !

post #7873 of 8735
Thanks for posting about the amps to use on the LCD2. I will be getting those headphones soon.

With that being said, what are the best tubes for the HE-500s? I also have a Schiit Lyr.
post #7874 of 8735
Whats the meaning of silk screen condition? The higher the better?
post #7875 of 8735

Can anyone name some reasonably priced dark sounding tubes?

I Will be running some T1's with a Lyr and i would like something that takes away a small bit of treble energy.

 

thanks.

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