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Oh and little off topic .... how far do you guys think I can go with volume on Lyr ? I'am now at nearly 3 o'clock when listening to "Philip Glass - Orion"

 

I remember reading something like, "Hey, be carefull, Lyr could send your headphones to the heaven" on Schiit page.

 

T1's are 600 ohm cans so I hope it can't go wrong.


Edited by Flisker - 4/25/13 at 8:13am
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Tape sounds like terrible idea to me, because of that sticky residue + you cant pull it straight up than or can you ?

 

 

Yeah, it wasn't great but it was the only thing that would do the job (hadn't read your lemon tip at that point). It did leave a lot of residue and whilst the tube kind of went straight up one did go off at a slight angle and I didn't have a lot of control. I tried gradually increasing the amount of force I was pulling the tape up with but it got to the point were it was a sudden (like a cork out of a champagne bottle) release rather than a gradual process.

 

I think I'll need to buy some isopropyl to remove any leftover gunk & grease from the glass as I can't imagine heating the tubes up right now would be a good thing.

 

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I agree, I'd rather have as many tools as possible.  Especially when we're not talking about all that much money.

 

Did you get your tubes out OK?

 

I got there in the end cheers but it was a real faff (posted a bit more about it a page or two back) and I think I invented some new swear words in the process. Socket savers really can't come soon enough!

 

 

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You have a link for the UK seller? Fancy one of those gloves myself.

 

Here you go:

 

http://www.hotroxuk.com/tube-glove.html

 

I haven't used them before but comms have been good and I received a shipping notification within an hour of ordering to say my item would be dispatched today. You can use Paypal and don't need to create an account to checkout (they ask for a phone no. but I just stuck in 'ex-directory').

 

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As for rolling out tubes ... this is how I do it. Can't show it with both hands because I couldn't take photos than biggrin.gif so first 3 photos are right hand and another 2 are left hand.

 

Of course I got savers there now so I can just take them out easily, but this the way I did it when there was no savers.

 

Just grab them tight this way, move sideways with tube while pulling here out and it will go easily if u will hold it tight. Using left hand to help move tube sideways.

 

Hope it helps wink.gif

 

ps: that lemon is key thing here wink_face.gif, otherwise it will just slip out of grip and u will get crazy (at least I did few times)

 

 

 

 

Thanks very much for the pics and clear explanation. That's really very kind of you & is much appreciated smily_headphones1.gif

 

I should a pretty good arsenal of things to try next time I need to remove any tubes!


Edited by jellofund - 4/25/13 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Flisker View Post

 

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Oh and little off topic .... how far do you guys think I can go with volume on Lyr ? I'am now at nearly 3 o'clock when listening to "Philip Glass - Orion"

 

I remember reading something like, "Hey, be carefull, Lyr could send your headphones to the heaven" on Schiit page.

 

T1's are 600 ohm cans so I hope it can't go wrong.

 

I've not had to go much past 9 o'clock but my cans are only 300 ohm (HD600).

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I've not had to go much past 9 o'clock but my cans are only 300 ohm (HD600).

 

Usually I go to 11-12 o'clock but this album was somehow quite so I had to go further and I would maybe go to 4 o'clock but started to getting bit scared around 3.

 

I'am also using -5 db parametric EQ so I could raise sub-bass, which leads to going further with overall volume too.

 

Would like to know if it's ok for example crank it up completely with tubes like 6N1P and T1's without damaging headphones.

 

ps : thanks for appreciation smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Flisker View Post

 

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Oh and little off topic .... how far do you guys think I can go with volume on Lyr ? I'am now at nearly 3 o'clock when listening to "Philip Glass - Orion"

 

I remember reading something like, "Hey, be carefull, Lyr could send your headphones to the heaven" on Schiit page.

 

T1's are 600 ohm cans so I hope it can't go wrong.

I think 3 o'clock listening is quite loud listening volume for my taste.

I go with 9 o'clock or 10.

 

different phone with different volume level?

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3 o' clock with Lyr? I never get past 11 o'clock with HE-500 and T1, and only on some quiet tracks, I ventured to 12 o'clock. I suppose you are using T1. Is your digital volume maximized? I think its better to be careful with Lyr, or any powerful amp in general. I always turn the pot all the way down, before plugging in or out my phones, even with HE-500 on.

I think there is this thing called maximum input level a headphone can handle. Input power past that level can be not healthy to the phone?


Edited by ForsakenArcher - 4/25/13 at 10:00am
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3 o' clock with Lyr? I never get past 11 o'clock with HE-500 and T1, and only on some quiet tracks, I ventured to 12 o'clock. I suppose you are using T1. Is your digital volume maximized? I think its better to be careful with Lyr, or any powerful amp in general. I always turn the pot all the way down, before plugging in or out my phones, even with HE-500 on.

I think there is this thing called maximum input level a headphone can handle. Input power past that level can be not healthy to the phone?

 

Yea as I said I have EQed everything -5 db which is one thing and second that even with EQ I never did past 12 o'clock but with "Orion" album which is very quiet I needed at least 2 o'clock to have it at decent volume.

 

For example now I'am listening to "Three Days Grace" and 11 o'clock is plenty of volume.

 

And yea volume is maxed, I'am using WASAPI.

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Oh, you remind me. Good thing. Need to listen to three days grace. Starting with Life Starts Now. Lyr with 6N1P and HE500 are very good for alt rock.
 

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Oh, you remind me. Good thing. Need to listen to three days grace. Starting with Life Starts Now. Lyr with 6N1P and HE500 are very good for alt rock.
 

 

Yea Three Days Grace are great band, especialy songs like Time Of Dying or Riot. Could listen too these all day long biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Flisker View Post

 

My Lorenz PCC88 is doing same noises, switching doesn't help. I think it's just dying/defective tube. Tried cleaning pins, but it didn't help. 

 

It's so annoying that I can't use these for anything else than testing purposes.

Since you have nothing to lose try warming them up and then flicking your fingernail against the glass.

This was suggested by a very knowledgeable tube person.

 

It makes sense.

One of the tests my device performs is "grid emissions" test.  From the testing procedures manual... " There is normally some little evaporation of the cathode coating material on the grid of a tube.  Some of this vapor tends to deposit on the grid and gives rise to what is known as grid emissions, whereby the grid itself emits electrons and draws current commonly know as "negative grid current"....... If a slight amount of "gas" is present in a tube some of the electrons from the cathode will collide with molecules of the gas......  known as "gas current" or grid emissions current

 

By flicking the warm tube perhaps some debris from the grid will dislodge.

Can't hurt because you don't like the tube anyway.

 

This has also been suggested for microphonic tubes.

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Originally Posted by sceleratus View Post

Since you have nothing to lose try warming them up and then flicking your fingernail against the glass.

This was suggested by a very knowledgeable tube person.

 

It makes sense.

One of the tests my device performs is "grid emissions" test.  From the testing procedures manual... " There is normally some little evaporation of the cathode coating material on the grid of a tube.  Some of this vapor tends to deposit on the grid and gives rise to what is known as grid emissions, whereby the grid itself emits electrons and draws current commonly know as "negative grid current"....... If a slight amount of "gas" is present in a tube some of the electrons from the cathode will collide with molecules of the gas......  known as "gas current" or grid emissions current

 

By flicking the warm tube perhaps some debris from the grid will dislodge.

Can't hurt because you don't like the tube anyway.

 

This has also been suggested for microphonic tubes.

 

Great one, thanks again ;)

 

Will try for sure. Don't like them much with T1 true, but they are great match for HD650 and I'am not selling those in near future so would be nice if I get them working.

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Careful here guys. I was testing a Lorenz pcc88 for microphonics that way and it almost took out my right channel and ear. While catastrophic failure of a tube is rare, it apparently does happen.
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Rolling in the Small Men!
 

Amperex 6DJ8 ECC88 Bugle Boy Small Man Large O Getters, '60's vintage:

 

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My Bifrost will be going up for sale shortly. Any interest in here?
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My Bifrost will be going up for sale shortly. Any interest in here?

 

What do you think you will replace it with?

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