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Originally Posted by velvetx View Post

Just picked these up thought there something in here that might be a winner. No more tube buying for awhile.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121096560315?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

 

 

Interesting!  I hope you strike gold!

post #6737 of 8735
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Originally Posted by jellofund View Post


I had been wondering if each tube handled its own channel, so guessing they do.

 

If I ever manage to get the things out I will report back. I'm using a surgical glove but they're not wanting to budge without a fight, so I'm hoping these sockets are well anchored!!

 

Better to do the reverse of what you suggested when  I inserted them (straight up and down) or does some light rocking help free them up?

 

Yeah, gentle rocking is OK, just keep it gentle.

 

That's how tube rolling got its name!  You roll the tubes out...

 

Now you can see the benefit of socket savers.  They make rolling a LOT easier!


Edited by nelamvr6 - 4/24/13 at 6:30pm
post #6738 of 8735
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Originally Posted by nelamvr6 View Post

 

Yeah, gentle rocking is OK, just keep it gentle.

 

That's how tube rolling got its name!  You roll the tubes out...

 

Have you though of installing socket savers?  They make rolling a LOT easier!

 



I think I'm going to leave it 'til the morning as it's now 2:30am, and I meant to call it a night a couple of hours back.....recipe for disaster.

 

I could really do with an extra 1cm or so of tube protruding as the recess on the top just isn't deep enough to get my fingers round the suckers adequately.

 

Re. tube savers. I can see why they're a good idea now and I have ordered some but unfortunately they're currently sat on your side of the pond still, but will make life a heck of a lot easier!!

post #6739 of 8735
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Originally Posted by jellofund View Post

 



I think I'm going to leave it 'til the morning as it's now 2:30am, and I meant to call it a night a couple of hours back.....recipe for disaster.

 

I could really do with an extra 1cm or so of tube protruding as the recess on the top just isn't deep enough to get my fingers round the suckers adequately.

 

Re. tube savers. I can see why they're a good idea now and I have ordered some but unfortunately they're currently sat on your side of the pond still, but will make life a heck of a lot easier!!

 

 

Good luck!

post #6740 of 8735
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Originally Posted by jellofund View Post




I think I'm going to leave it 'til the morning as it's now 2:30am, and I meant to call it a night a couple of hours back.....recipe for disaster.

I could really do with an extra 1cm or so of tube protruding as the recess on the top just isn't deep enough to get my fingers round the suckers adequately.

Re. tube savers. I can see why they're a good idea now and I have ordered some but unfortunately they're currently sat on your side of the pond still, but will make life a heck of a lot easier!!

In a pinch (no pun intended) dishwashing gloves are a big help.
post #6741 of 8735
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Originally Posted by jellofund View Post


I had been wondering if each tube handled its own channel, so guessing they do.

 

If I ever manage to get the things out I will report back. I'm using a surgical glove but they're not wanting to budge without a fight, so I'm hoping these sockets are well anchored!!

 

Better to do the reverse of what you suggested when  I inserted them (straight up and down) or does some light rocking help free them up?

 

I developed kind of method how to get out tubes without socket savers biggrin.gif

 

First you need to slice lenom, "clean" your hands with lemon "juice" and dry them. This will make your hands "anti-slippery" so you can just grab tube nicely, move with it left and right a little while pulling it out. I'am using thumb and forefinger on right hand and forefinger on left hand to pull them out biggrin.gif

 

Can do photo of how I grab them if you are interested. It's matter of 20 seconds to take both tubes out maybe less.

 

 


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Originally Posted by jellofund View Post

Whilst listening this evening I've become acutely aware of a high pitched, but fairly quiet, whistling/ringing noise through the right channel on my 'phones. It's only noticeable during the gaps between tracks or when I mute the source but now that I know it's there it's bugging me a bit.

 

The noise itself seems to come and go, generally lasting for a few seconds, and then going quiet from anywhere between a split second to well over a minute.The intenstity of the ringing (not sure if pitch changes) seems to vary a bit too but it doesn't appear to get any louder if I turn the pot from min to max.

 

Does this sound like a microphonic tube? I've read a various explanations of what microphonics are but the 'symptoms' seem to vary  vary from howling, feedback noise or a phone ringing sound, so really not 100%....I also have my D2000's on that seem far more sensitive to transformer/tube noise in general.

 

Thanks!

 

My Lorenz PCC88 is doing same noises, switching doesn't help. I think it's just dying/defective tube. Tried cleaning pins, but it didn't help. 

 

It's so annoying that I can't use these for anything else than testing purposes.

post #6742 of 8735
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Originally Posted by Flisker View Post

I developed kind of method how to get out tubes without socket savers biggrin.gif

 

First you need to slice lenom, "clean" your hands with lemon "juice" and dry them. This will make your hands "anti-slippery" so you can just grab tube nicely, move with it left and right a little while pulling it out. I'am using thumb and forefinger on right hand and forefinger on left hand to pull them out biggrin.gif

 

Can do photo of how I grab them if you are interested. It's matter of 20 seconds to take both tubes out maybe less.

 

 

Sounds like a neat idea!

 

I had been using some surgical gloves and they seemed grippy enough but the biggest problem I had was getting my thumb and forefinger in enough to grab the tube body. My Wife's a midwife and I figured if they're good enough for catching babies then they should be okay for tubes biggrin.gif

 

I e-mailed Jason @ Schiit and he suggested wrapping them in some tape and then pull them right out. This did the job (using Duck tape) but have to say it was still far from easy. I really needed to pull them pretty hard to get them moving at all and rather than edging out they literally flew out. They are now covered in sticky residue though so not an ideal solution and I don't have anything to hand to clean them.

 

One or two of the pins look slightly off but I'm not sure if they were always that way (in a lot of tubes the pins look kind of crooked to me) or it happened during / after insertion. The one thing I did notice when I originally plugged them in was that in the 'hole' closest to the volume pot, the ceramic disc that sits atop the 9 metal sockets doesn't line up very well with  a couple of them. Gently prodding the disc with a wooden coffee stirrer allows for some lateral movement but they still don't line up all that well so I'm not sure if that's down to poor assembly or just how these things come. May have resulted in some of the pins being wedged in quite tight but the top one wasn't much better to work with and that lines up a lot better.

 

I guess if there is one thing I'd like to see Schiit change design wise this would be it as it's really not great in an amp that seems to encourage tube rolling. There seems to be plenty of reviews / posts commenting on how tricky it is to remove the tubes and Schiit acknowledge it in the manual. I think a member here even had a tube implode during removal so it's definitely far from ideal.

 

Rather than mess about any more I think I'm going to wait until my socket savers and new tubes arrive and start afresh. I'm hoping that'll make things much simpler and stress free!

 

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Originally Posted by Flisker View Post

My Lorenz PCC88 is doing same noises, switching doesn't help. I think it's just dying/defective tube. Tried cleaning pins, but it didn't help. 

 

It's so annoying that I can't use these for anything else than testing purposes.

 

Really sorry to hear that. From what I've read the Lorenz PCC88s are meant to be great tubes and not all that easy to find. At least with the cheapo GEs I can bin them and not think twice but you must be gutted frown.gif


Edited by jellofund - 4/25/13 at 3:23am
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Once again, its good to read this thread. Electroharmonix sells a "Tube Glove" device shown in this thread. I got mine at Amazon. Works like a champ to change/roll Lyr tubes. 

post #6744 of 8735
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Originally Posted by claud W View Post

Once again, its good to read this thread. Electroharmonix sells a "Tube Glove" device shown in this thread. I got mine at Amazon. Works like a champ to change/roll Lyr tubes. 


I noticed the link but Amazon won't ship to the UK.

 

However, I've managed to find a place here in the UK that sells guitars & amps(Hot Rox UK) stocking them for approx. £12 delivered, so have ordered one. Maybe overkill with the socket savers but after last night I figure it's better to have the tools to hand and not need them rather than the other way round.


Edited by jellofund - 4/25/13 at 4:44am
post #6745 of 8735
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Originally Posted by jellofund View Post


I noticed the link but Amazon won't ship to the UK.

 

However, I've managed to find a place here in the UK that sells guitars & amps(Hot Rox UK) stocking them for approx. £12 delivered, so have ordered one. Maybe overkill with the socket savers but after last night I figure it's better to have the tools to hand and not need them rather than the other way round.

 

You have a link for the UK seller? Fancy one of those gloves myself.

post #6746 of 8735
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Originally Posted by jellofund View Post

 

Sounds like a neat idea!

 

I had been using some surgical gloves and they seemed grippy enough but the biggest problem I had was getting my thumb and forefinger in enough to grab the tube body. My Wife's a midwife and I figured if they're good enough for catching babies then they should be okay for tubes biggrin.gif

 

I e-mailed Jason @ Schiit and he suggested wrapping them in some tape and then pull them right out. This did the job (using Duck tape) but have to say it was still far from easy. I really needed to pull them pretty hard to get them moving at all and rather than edging out they literally flew out. They are now covered in sticky residue though so not an ideal solution and I don't have anything to hand to clean them.

 

One or two of the pins look slightly off but I'm not sure if they were always that way (in a lot of tubes the pins look kind of crooked to me) or it happened during / after insertion. The one thing I did notice when I originally plugged them in was that in the 'hole' closest to the volume pot, the ceramic disc that sits atop the 9 metal sockets doesn't line up very well with  a couple of them. Gently prodding the disc with a wooden coffee stirrer allows for some lateral movement but they still don't line up all that well so I'm not sure if that's down to poor assembly or just how these things come. May have resulted in some of the pins being wedged in quite tight but the top one wasn't much better to work with and that lines up a lot better.

 

I guess if there is one thing I'd like to see Schiit change design wise this would be it as it's really not great in an amp that seems to encourage tube rolling. There seems to be plenty of reviews / posts commenting on how tricky it is to remove the tubes and Schiit acknowledge it in the manual. I think a member here even had a tube implode during removal so it's definitely far from ideal.

 

Rather than mess about any more I think I'm going to wait until my socket savers and new tubes arrive and start afresh. I'm hoping that'll make things much simpler and stress free!

 

 

Really sorry to hear that. From what I've read the Lorenz PCC88s are meant to be great tubes and not all that easy to find. At least with the cheapo GEs I can bin them and not think twice but you must be gutted frown.gif

 

Tape sounds like terrible idea to me, because of that sticky residue + you cant pull it straight up than or can you ?

 

I'll make photos of how I grab them it's really easy one u get it. U just have to grab them tight and they come out nice slow if u want, no worries about damaging tube or something.

 

Should get home in about hour.

post #6747 of 8735
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Originally Posted by Flisker View Post

 

I developed kind of method how to get out tubes without socket savers biggrin.gif

 

First you need to slice lenom, "clean" your hands with lemon "juice" and dry them. This will make your hands "anti-slippery" so you can just grab tube nicely, move with it left and right a little while pulling it out. I'am using thumb and forefinger on right hand and forefinger on left hand to pull them out biggrin.gif

 

Can do photo of how I grab them if you are interested. It's matter of 20 seconds to take both tubes out maybe less.

 

 


 

 

My Lorenz PCC88 is doing same noises, switching doesn't help. I think it's just dying/defective tube. Tried cleaning pins, but it didn't help. 

 

It's so annoying that I can't use these for anything else than testing purposes.

 

 

Switching should at least help to determine for certain if it is in fact a tube causing the issue or if the Lyr's chassis has some issues...

 

I have heard that sometimes little problems like this can go away with burn in.  Though I'm not sure how many hours you should wait before you throw in the towel and get a new tube.

post #6748 of 8735
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Originally Posted by jellofund View Post


I noticed the link but Amazon won't ship to the UK.

 

However, I've managed to find a place here in the UK that sells guitars & amps(Hot Rox UK) stocking them for approx. £12 delivered, so have ordered one. Maybe overkill with the socket savers but after last night I figure it's better to have the tools to hand and not need them rather than the other way round.

 

I agree, I'd rather have as many tools as possible.  Especially when we're not talking about all that much money.

 

Did you get your tubes out OK?

post #6749 of 8735
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Originally Posted by nelamvr6 View Post

 

 

Switching should at least help to determine for certain if it is in fact a tube causing the issue or if the Lyr's chassis has some issues...

 

I have heard that sometimes little problems like this can go away with burn in.  Though I'm not sure how many hours you should wait before you throw in the towel and get a new tube.

 

I didn't buy them new, got them with Lyr (guess they have plenty of hours on them) and both my tubes got different ringing "problems" already gave up on them frown.gif It's to listen to them, but it's not ok to get headphones on and do work etc because when there is not loud music it's very annoying listen to those sounds.

 

 

As for rolling out tubes ... this is how I do it. Can't show it with both hands because I couldn't take photos than biggrin.gif so first 3 photos are right hand and another 2 are left hand.

 

Of course I got savers there now so I can just take them out easily, but this the way I did it when there was no savers.

 

Just grab them tight this way, move sideways with tube while pulling here out and it will go easily if u will hold it tight. Using left hand to help move tube sideways.

 

Hope it helps wink.gif

 

ps: that lemon is key thing here wink_face.gif, otherwise it will just slip out of grip and u will get crazy (at least I did few times)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Flisker - 4/25/13 at 5:56am
post #6750 of 8735
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Originally Posted by Flisker View Post

 

I didn't buy them new, got them with Lyr (guess they have plenty of hours on them) and both my tubes got different ringing "problems" already gave up on them frown.gif It's to listen to them, but it's not ok to get headphones on and do work etc because when there is not loud music it's very annoying listen to those sounds.

 

 

As for rolling out tubes ... this is how I do it. Can't show it with both hands because I couldn't take photos than biggrin.gif so first 3 photos are right hand and another 2 are left hand.

 

Of course I got savers there now so I can just take them out easily, but this the way I did it when there was no savers.

 

Just grab them tight this way, move sideways with tube while pulling here out and it will go easily if u will hold it tight. Using left hand to help move tube sideways.

 

Hope it helps wink.gif

 

ps: that lemon is key thing here wink_face.gif, otherwise it will just slip out of grip and u will get crazy (at least I did few times)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nice finger action!!biggrin.gif

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