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Hi guys, could you look at this for the compatibility with Lyr?

 

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/290614310990?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

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Can someone make a recommendation for tubes to drive HE-500s? I'd rather go with something Schiit sells - E88CC, 6N1P, 6B7Z. Or, order from someone with a good reputation. I'm about to order a Lyr/Bifrost. I'll be thrilled if it sounds great right away, and I'll experiment with rolling later on. Thanks!

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6N1P and 6B27 are quite OK. E88CC are very thin sounding. Each has its own character. I prefer 6N1P for their richer and fuller sound. 6B27s on my system sounds like treble is tamed more than I would want it to be. They do have wider soundstage and more intimate vocals though. I have never tried any tube beyond those 3sets ordered from Schiit. I would be interested in sub $100 range tubes though. Don't feel like putting in much $ into tube rolling. :)
 

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Originally Posted by ab_ba View Post

Can someone make a recommendation for tubes to drive HE-500s? I'd rather go with something Schiit sells - E88CC, 6N1P, 6B7Z. Or, order from someone with a good reputation. I'm about to order a Lyr/Bifrost. I'll be thrilled if it sounds great right away, and I'll experiment with rolling later on. Thanks!

 

Depends on how the sound signature of HE-500 is and also, what do you want to add/remove to/from that signature?

 

Also budget, if you don't set a budget people will be telling you to get all sorts of $400 tubes.

 

With my experience with the Schiit tubes, their 6N1P-VI (Novosibirsk) tube is very warm with the treble muddy and rolled off, the GE 6BZ7 is quite neutral, and pretty mediocre in every way, does everything well but not really outstanding, maybe a tad bright in the treble.

 

Whatever E88CC tube schiit supplies i haven't tried.


Edited by ilikepooters - 3/30/13 at 9:22am
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What tubes you are using now? My budget will be around 100USD for a pair of tubes.
 

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Don't feel like putting in much $ into tube rolling. :)
 

Thanks Archer and Pooters. Yeah, when people talk about tubes that cost as much as the amp itself, I get nervous. I'll grab 2 of what Schiit offers, and see if it makes any perceptible difference at all before I start really exploring. 

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What tubes you are using now? My budget will be around 100USD for a pair of tubes.
 

 

Lorenz PCC88 and Siemens PCC189 are my favourites at the moment.

 

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Thanks Archer and Pooters. Yeah, when people talk about tubes that cost as much as the amp itself, I get nervous. I'll grab 2 of what Schiit offers, and see if it makes any perceptible difference at all before I start really exploring. 

 

There are some really good budget tubes to be had.

 

I bought some Siemens PCC189 tubes and they are a lot better than any of the stock tubes, also Lorenz PCC88 tubes were bit more expensive but again, improvement over stock tubes. These are both my tubes of choice at the moment.

 

You don't need to spend a fortune to get better sound.

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Where do you get them? May I ask?
 

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Link

 

Don't bother looking for the real deal Lorenz. They don't exist.


Edited by paradoxper - 3/30/13 at 12:05pm
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Don't bother looking for the real deal Lorenz. They don't exist.

 

You mean these? 3 micas?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E88CC-LORENZ-SIEMENS-A0-NOS-6922-GOLD-PIN-TUBE-TUBES-VALVOLE-RARE-MATCHED-PAIR-/350748216038?pt=Altro_Audio_da_Casa&hash=item51aa390ae6

 

Not sure if that's what all the fuss is about, not read back that far in the thread.

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You mean these? 3 micas?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E88CC-LORENZ-SIEMENS-A0-NOS-6922-GOLD-PIN-TUBE-TUBES-VALVOLE-RARE-MATCHED-PAIR-/350748216038?pt=Altro_Audio_da_Casa&hash=item51aa390ae6

 

Not sure if that's what all the fuss is about, not read back that far in the thread.

Those are Stuttgart's, I believe. However of the many pair I had all were PCC88 not sure what SQ differences,

but those differ by not being 7 volts.

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Those are Stuttgart's, I believe. However of the many pair I had all were PCC88 not sure what SQ differences,

but those differ by not being 7 volts.

 

Ahh i see, so that's why everyone jumped on the SEL Lorenz PCC88's, hoping they would sound the same. I'm assuming same tooling was used, just made by another company? So sound should be pretty close if not exact?

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Ahh i see, so that's why everyone jumped on the SEL Lorenz PCC88's, hoping they would sound the same. I'm assuming same tooling was used, just made by another company? So sound should be pretty close if not exact?

The SEL's are pretty good comparatively to other affordable tubes. They're actually much better than most of the mid-tier tubes.

 

They don't really sound the same though.

 

Real Lorenz are older, rarer, etc and more importantly made in Germany. SEL made not in Germany but other parts of Europe.

I believe the more popular SEL are Nish Yugoslavian made.

 

The plants are what make the differences, different tech, better resources, etc.


Edited by paradoxper - 3/30/13 at 12:55pm
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Got my Lyr & Bifrost today. Started with BB 6DJ8s. So far, very nice.


Edited by claud W - 3/30/13 at 1:25pm
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Got my Lyr & Bifrost today. Started with BB 6DJ8s. So far, very nice.


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