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Any reports on the GE grey glass in the Lyr? They can sound very good but every circuit is a little different. 


In fact I think I will roll them now..

Well They are bit lighter on bass then the Schiit 6N1P's but they are much smoother throughout the bass,mids and highs I kinda like them with my EE tube DAC which is a bit highly resolving the GE's have almost a calming sound to my ears
I will have to listen to some 192khz music to see how they handle the higher resolution audio..


Well I listed to some Mozart at 192khz had to up the volume just a tad over the Schitt 6N1p's as the GE's were a bit lower in volume. I like these tubes a lot they have a much smoother presentation then the Schiit 6N1p's the GE's just sound better. I am going to keep these in the Lyr over the Schiit 6N1P's which are just a tad harsh with my setup. Thanks Jamato8 for the recommendation of these tubes. wink.gif
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That is one thing I noticed about the later 6N1P and why I like the 1965 black flat plate I have, they can sound gritty while the 1965 doesn't. There are many versions of the 6N1P though as there is of the Amperex. Even when I get back to Tucson I don't know if I will be able to get to my 6DJ8 types as they are in the back of my storage. I think I have at least 15 pair of the GE grey glass but I would really like to get to the old 6N1P's and some Amperex that are really USSR but the best sounding 6DJ8 I have heard. It is nice that the Lyr shows up the traits of the tubes so well. Some tube circuits don't and you don't really have the influence that you might want or the ability to mold the sound, which to me, is more fun. 
 

 


Yeah I am really liking the Lyr's ability to show the qualities of the tubes as well . I think I had to much fun ordering tubes my pocketbook this month has a hole hahahah
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IMO the Gold Lions are all-rounded, more airy and detailed

 

the 6N1P are strong and tight on the lower end, sounds more 'energized', whereas the GL sounds more polished and smooth

 

the stock tubes i cant exactly recall, but from memory they sound pretty good

 

have 2 more sets of tubes coming and will try them out and give a more detailed comparison

 

but then, each lyr + tube combo would sound different on everyone's system, to me, the Lyr is great value for $$$

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What are the differences between the Schiit 6N1P and Amperex A-frames? Given the price difference, I don't want to waste money or be left wanting.

 

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It drives 600 ohm phones easily.  I love the way it sounds with my DT990-600.  I used to use my LD MKIII primarily for them but now I like using the Lyr more.  The LCD-2 and DT990-600 have to learn to share the Lyr.
 

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hey guys Im wondeirng how well does the Lyr pair with the DT880 600 ohm?



 

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What are the differences between the Schiit 6N1P and Amperex A-frames? Given the price difference, I don't want to waste money or be left wanting.

 



i am getting a pair of the Amperex A-frames and the Philips ECC84/6CW7 tomorrow, hopefully it will be bring surprise =)

 

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It's interesting, if you look at the page I linked to at the JJ website the tube is listed as "E88CC - 6922, 6DJ8", if you click on the More>> link at the top of that document it says "ECC88"  ... so it seems they're positioning their tube (perhaps incorrectly?) as a replacement for all the above.  http://www.jj-electronic.com/pdf/E88CC.pdf

The entry in Wikipedia for the 6DJ8 says:

"Although not originally designed for the purpose, it became popular in hi-fi audio amplifiers. European-produced version of the tube is designated ECC88. An industrial (improved/higher ratings) version of the tube is designated 6922."

 

 

This is very typical - JJ is ignoring the "higher ratings" part of the 6922 and just saying that 6DJ8=6922.  Again, this is not strictly true, although they are close enough that it doesn't really matter that much.

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IMO the Gold Lions are all-rounded, more airy and detailed

 

the 6N1P are strong and tight on the lower end, sounds more 'energized', whereas the GL sounds more polished and smooth

 

the stock tubes i cant exactly recall, but from memory they sound pretty good

 

have 2 more sets of tubes coming and will try them out and give a more detailed comparison

 

but then, each lyr + tube combo would sound different on everyone's system, to me, the Lyr is great value for $$$




Want to buy another set of Gold Lions I think that for the money they are very disappointing, way to mid centric and not airy at all but again we all have different setups etc I think that for 40.00 you can get a better set off of Ebay then the GL's be it the GE's or the Russian rockets etc


Edited by MrScary - 4/26/11 at 9:57am
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This is very typical - JJ is ignoring the "higher ratings" part of the 6922 and just saying that 6DJ8=6922.  Again, this is not strictly true, although they are close enough that it doesn't really matter that much.

So essentially the JJ Tesla 6922 used by the Liquid Fire and the JJ ECC88 used by the Lyr are the exact same tube?
 

 

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So essentially the JJ Tesla 6922 used by the Liquid Fire and the JJ ECC88 used by the Lyr are the exact same tube?
 

 


I don't know for sure, but it seems likely.  Again, though, I am not sure there is any significance to that.  What choice does either of them really have?  I guess Cavilli could consider supplying it with Gold Lions since the Liquid Fire is a more upscale amp.  But if I were making tube amps, I would supply whatever tube I thought was halfway decent but not too expensive, knowing many people will be rolling tubes anyway.  The JJ is a decent, cheap, readily available tube. 

 

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I rolled the Genelex Gold Lion tubes into my Lyr and I must say I am impressed. Some have described the bass as "recessed" but I would venture "under more control"...the bass is there and delivers when needed, but it doesn't feature prominently. I find these tubes provide a more balanced, natural sound with the LCD-2s. I haven't tried the 6N1Ps I got from Schiit Audio yet, cause I'm still grooving to these. Any impressions of the 6N1Ps with the LCD-2s?

Cheers!beerchug.gif
-HK sends



The 6N1p tubes from Schiit sound much better than the GL's I feel like I wasted 100.00 on the Gold Lions they are too mid centric and light on bass. Try the 6N1p's from Schiit you will throw out the GL's faster than the roadrunner
with the LCD-2's

Thanks for the impressions!  Now, I am curious to A/B compare them with the Gold Lions for the type of music I listen to.
 

Cheers!beerchug.gif

-HK sends
 

 

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Are the GE's also referred to as "smoked glass" tubes?  Saw some called out like that on ebay, but wasn't sure if they were the same thing.

 

This thread is doing bad things to my wallet.
 

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IMO the Gold Lions are all-rounded, more airy and detailed

 

the 6N1P are strong and tight on the lower end, sounds more 'energized', whereas the GL sounds more polished and smooth

 

the stock tubes i cant exactly recall, but from memory they sound pretty good

 

have 2 more sets of tubes coming and will try them out and give a more detailed comparison

 

but then, each lyr + tube combo would sound different on everyone's system, to me, the Lyr is great value for $$$




Want to buy another set of Gold Lions I think that for the money they are very disappointing, way to mid centric and not airy at all but again we all have different setups etc I think that for 40.00 you can get a better set off of Ebay then the GL's be it the GE's or the Russian rockets etc



 

post #117 of 8735

I think I missed something...what GE tubes and where can I get them?

 

Thanks,

-HK sends

post #118 of 8735
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Originally Posted by HK_sends View Post

I think I missed something...what GE tubes and where can I get them?

 

Thanks,

-HK sends


GE 6DJ8 ECC88 Grey Glass tubes

I got mine off of Ebay good luck
post #119 of 8735
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I don't know for sure, but it seems likely.  Again, though, I am not sure there is any significance to that.  What choice does either of them really have?  I guess Cavilli could consider supplying it with Gold Lions since the Liquid Fire is a more upscale amp.  But if I were making tube amps, I would supply whatever tube I thought was halfway decent but not too expensive, knowing many people will be rolling tubes anyway.  The JJ is a decent, cheap, readily available tube.
Even though the JJ is just a halfway decent and cheap tube, Alex Cavalli is sure able to work magic with it in his Liquid Fire -- based on the accolades the Liquid Fire is getting with the JJ's installed.

Edited by USAudio - 4/26/11 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by DemonicLemming View Post

Are the GE's also referred to as "smoked glass" tubes?  Saw some called out like that on ebay, but wasn't sure if they were the same thing.

 

This thread is doing bad things to my wallet.

I believe so.  That's what I'm running in my DAC.  Love the sound.
 

 

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