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post #691 of 2012
I might just add that there is a good reason Grzegorz does not want to deal outside the EU. Tax duties.can be a hassle for both buyer and seller. Other CIEM sometimes do not mention this an people end up adding 30% to the cost of their ciem...
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AFAIK, only me and bucket had the problem with SE5 and maybe some with fitting issues.

Don't get me wrong the SQ of SE5 is one of the BEST technically I've ever heard from BA iems, but logistic might be troublesome for some who live outside EU countries.
post #692 of 2012
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Great to hear Ace8888!

Sort out the shipping asap and get the SE5 back:)

Keep us updated as to how you go about it.

Thanks..........

Thanks spkrs01, Will keep u guys updated.
post #693 of 2012
Edit: double post.
post #694 of 2012
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

I might just add that there is a good reason Grzegorz does not want to deal outside the EU. Tax duties.can be a hassle for both buyer and seller. Other CIEM sometimes do not mention this an people end up adding 30% to the cost of their ciem...

 

True true.  I hope those that do have issues with their SE5 get them taken care of, but people also have to understand the sound signature, which is more like the Westone ES5 than the JH products.  

post #695 of 2012
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

True true.  I hope those that do have issues with their SE5 get them taken care of, but people also have to understand the sound signature, which is more like the Westone ES5 than the JH products.  

Wow really? SE5 has much more extended treble than jh. And I heard that Weston's es5 is even warmer than jh iems. Well I haven't heard it so can't say anything about it, but I am still surprised that they sound alike.
post #696 of 2012
I had the ES5 before. It does sound alike. Both of them are very neutral to my ear, great for mixing. The SE5 has more detail and extended low. That's why I sold my ES5.
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Wow really? SE5 has much more extended treble than jh. And I heard that Weston's es5 is even warmer than jh iems. Well I haven't heard it so can't say anything about it, but I am still surprised that they sound alike.

Edited by Jazzyfi - 4/6/13 at 7:58am
post #697 of 2012
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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

Wow really? SE5 has much more extended treble than jh. And I heard that Weston's es5 is even warmer than jh iems. Well I haven't heard it so can't say anything about it, but I am still surprised that they sound alike.

 

I don't have the ES5, but I know others that do that I trust, and what I am saying is the presentation and overall frequency response of the SE5 is closer to that of the ES5 than the JH products, irrespective of extension.  The SE5 sound signature is also similar (but of course not the same) to the To Go 334.

 

Some CIEMs rip apart a presentation and present every detail and nuance to you in an up-close and personal way, such as the NT-6, and the JH16 is similar, but does so to a lesser extent.  That is also the sound signature of an entry level BA such as the B2 or DBA-02.  The SE5, while extremely resolving to my ears, doesn't present the details in the same way.  They are there, but within the music the way you would hear it from the audience while the NT-6 for example will present in a way that is more like you are sitting right in front of the presentation focused on the each individual instrument, if that makes sense.  

 

I wonder how much, if any, of the issues people are having with the sound of the SE5 is due to the presentation.  I am not sure if it is this or something else, but I just wanted to mention it and get others feedback.

 

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I had the ES5 before. It does sound alike. Both of them are very neutral to my ear, great for mixing. The SE5 has more detail and extended low. That's why I sold my ES5.

 

Thanks for chiming in.  How does the treble compare (or, how did the treble compare)?  From what I have been told, I would expect the ES5 to roll off in comparison with the SE5, which to my ears would seem to have a bit more presence.

post #698 of 2012

If I remember correctly the ES5 does have a roll off with the stock westone cable. I bought a Twag V2 for it and it sounds pretty close to SE5 but without the extended bass. Unfortunately my SE5 is one of the first batch without the removable cable option so I can't compare it using the same cable.

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Thanks for chiming in.  How does the treble compare (or, how did the treble compare)?  From what I have been told, I would expect the ES5 to roll off in comparison with the SE5, which to my ears would seem to have a bit more presence.

post #699 of 2012
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I don't have the ES5, but I know others that do that I trust, and what I am saying is the presentation and overall frequency response of the SE5 is closer to that of the ES5 than the JH products, irrespective of extension.  The SE5 sound signature is also similar (but of course not the same) to the To Go 334.

 

Actually I don't think SE5 is having sound signatures similar to the To Go 334. 

post #700 of 2012
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Actually I don't think SE5 is having sound signatures similar to the To Go 334. 

Have you compared both?  To me, they are closer than many other CIEMs such as the NT-6, JH16, IERM, etc.

 

Here is my comparison:

 

 

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To Go! 334: The 334 is a very expensive universal IEM with a price tag above that of the 5-way, so a comparison is fair even though it is universal fit.  Tonally the 334 is a bit brighter, but not by much, and a good deal more mid-forward.  The 5-way has a presentation that comes across as more powerful but is also more airy quite often and is more spacious all the time.  The 5-way is smoother than the 334 which has an analytical edge to it.   Powered from a source such as the DX100, the more laid back 5-way disappears more, sounds more coherent, and is just effortless.  Both have similar clarity although the 334 has more apparent clarity due to the more analytical note.  Focus within the soundstage is close, but the 5-way edges out the 334.  The 5-way has a larger soundstage space with more depth and a more involving and surrounding presentation, including better imaging.  Detail levels are higher on the 5-way.

 

The 334 can output a good amount of bass, however when it does so, the bass starts to become less controlled in comparison with the 5-way.  Both have deep and capable bass, but the 5-way seems like it isn’t trying in comparison with the 334.  Warmth is very similar, however the 5-way is thicker on average.  The more forward 334 midrange sounds good and images well, but compared with the 5-way presentation it sounds a bit closed in with less detail and the more analytical presentation doesn’t come across as liquid and involving.  Moving up though the upper midrange to the treble, the 334 has a more forward and brighter by a bit sound, however the treble has an edge to it that errs on the analytical side vs. 5-way treble that rings true with exceptional decay and a very natural sound.

 

These two sound like they are made for different purposes, with the 334 being made for studio engineers, and it is an exceptional tool for that purpose.  The 5-way isn’t too far off in sound signature, but is more laid back, spacious, detailed, and smooth, and when combined with better dynamics, coherence, and transparency the 5-way comes across as more musical and natural overall.  The 5-way conveys more power and emotion while the 334 will make it easier to pick out issues with mastering.


Edited by average_joe - 4/6/13 at 8:16pm
post #701 of 2012
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

Have you compared both?  To me, they are closer than many other CIEMs such as the NT-6, JH16, IERM, etc.

 

Here is my comparison:

 

 

I compared both at the shop.

 

Well I agree that it is closer than CIEMs like JH16, IERM, and I have the same opinion as your comparison, and that's why I don't think they have a similar sound signature(every small differences make big differences at last).

I would say it is closer than those CIEMs, but I would not say they are similar imo (especially the naturalness).

post #702 of 2012
For those who are interested, I did quick and dirty impedance measurement of the SE5. It's aproximately 133.5 ohm. That is a DC impedance incl. cable. The AC impedance is most likely higher than that.
post #703 of 2012
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Originally Posted by Jazzyfi View Post

For those who are interested, I did quick and dirty impedance measurement of the SE5. It's aproximately 133.5 ohm. That is a DC impedance incl. cable. The AC impedance is most likely higher than that.

 

Great news, really sounds like a "made in heaven" match for the Tera Player...can't wait for the SE5 to arrivenormal_smile%20.gif

post #704 of 2012
Indeed, a made in heaven match biggrin.gif.
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Great news, really sounds like a "made in heaven" match for the Tera Player...can't wait for the SE5 to arrivenormal_smile%20.gif
post #705 of 2012
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Great news, really sounds like a "made in heaven" match for the Tera Player...can't wait for the SE5 to arrivenormal_smile%20.gif

You ordered the Tera Player? And the SE5?  Sounds exciting~ I wonder how would you compare 1+2 to SE5 tongue_smile.gif

 

And how does 1+2 pair with Tera player? Actually I mean how does Tera player sound? compared to dx100?


Edited by tupac0306 - 4/9/13 at 2:26am
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