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post #1726 of 1982
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Please do not all take my word on the ZX1 - SE5 synergy...I like it but I am not mister golden ears.

 

Haha, indeed. I still have reservations, but like you said I shouldn't have a problem selling it off if I don't like it. Plus your impressions aren't the only I value. Others have said (on another forum) the ZX1 has a good balanced between high quality sound and usability, which I've come to realize I must have. 

post #1727 of 1982
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

 

That definitely was a concern of mine, but after speaking with Mim - I think it will be fine. As for the 901 vs DX100 - honestly I don't think the DX100 comes close, but that could be a matter of preference and individual pairing. I think the SE5 could use a bit more treble energy, so hopefully I'll be happy with the Sony. The DX100 comes with too many problems - the same that I thought I could overcome with the 901. SQ is really good, ergo and usability not so much although apparently it has gotten a lot better. As for the harsh peaks - I don't get any of that with the 901.

Yep. It's just painful to use either dx100 or 901's UI. DX100 broke my NT6 before, stupid touch screen. 901 has no treble peaks on SE5, but it does produces peaks for sensitive CIEMs like JH16. And I was only talking about pairing dx100 with SE5 and hidition NT6. For these two, dx100 is just a level above for me, especially NT6 which sounds much better than on DX100 even it's a bright CIEM. 

post #1728 of 1982
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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post
 

Yep. It's just painful to use either dx100 or 901's UI. DX100 broke my NT6 before, stupid touch screen. 901 has no treble peaks on SE5, but it does produces peaks for sensitive CIEMs like JH16. And I was only talking about pairing dx100 with SE5 and hidition NT6. For these two, dx100 is just a level above for me, especially NT6 which sounds much better than on DX100 even it's a bright CIEM. 

 

Ah, that makes a lot of sense then.

post #1729 of 1982

I am also silently reading all those dap comparisons, since I am looking for a source upgrade and Greed, let me tell you this mate, if you don't like ZX1, I might be the buyer you will be looking for.

 

However, with my chance, I think I would miss that opportunity too (I couldn't get TP and HDP R10, they were put on sale earlier than I could save enough :frown:). I don't mind R10 that much but TP was surely a bad luck.

 

Apart from Mim, anyone else will get their hands on X5 (when it is out)? I am most curious about that dap honestly, even more than ZX1.

post #1730 of 1982
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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post
 

Still gonna thank you for helping me finding one of the best source for SE5;) Rocoo BA + dynamic firmware is just incredible.

 

It sounds the closet to my DX100. If you ask me to blind ABing them, I could go wrong easily.  They sound so alike, DX100 (mid gain) might have a bit more bass power if at all and smoothness in treble. BA might sound a tiny hair brighter. DX100's beautiful treble is simply the best I have heard from a DAP. Super linear and absolutely peak-free which provides a bit better detail control. Dx100 IMO is just the definition of "neutral" when it comes to DAPs which of course pairs flawlessly with the "natural" SE5.

 

For all the sources I have tried, I would say with se5, it goes:

1. Anedio D2

2. Dx100

3. Rocoo BA

4. 901

5. Studio 3rd

6. 801

7. Studio 2nd

8. AK120

 

I have to agree. I really like the Rocoo BA pairing with SE5. I like that slight aggression in the treble (where you say it is a bit less smooth than the DX100). That very aspect is appealing to me. Makes it a little bit rawer (more exciting) which helps to balance out the SE5s smooth treble (they go hand in hand). I will say overall I still like the BA pairing on the SE5 over the AK120-S mod. But a better amp might change that. But in terms of synergy the BA still has the edge IMO. But my DACport LX and Triad rig still sound the best on the SE5 for me :).


Edited by lee730 - 12/28/13 at 11:07pm
post #1731 of 1982

tupac, do you have Hidition NT-6 as well? Can you make quick comparison with SE 5way? At some in the near future I would like to buy one of the top CIEMs and I'm currently considering NT-6, JH13Pro and SE 5way.

post #1732 of 1982
Hey krismarzyk

Just read the se5 vs nt6 in average joe's either se5 or nt6 review. He has said pretty much everything I could and could not say.

Basically nt6's treble can bring out a bit unneutralness of se5 like nothing else, and still it's on the brighter side.
Nt6 is more like a reference studio mixing CIEM while se5 is more like a daily listening CIEM. Both are of the best ciems, technically/musically better than jh13 FP IMHO
post #1733 of 1982
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Originally Posted by Krismarzyk View Post
 

tupac, do you have Hidition NT-6 as well? Can you make quick comparison with SE 5way? At some in the near future I would like to buy one of the top CIEMs and I'm currently considering NT-6, JH13Pro and SE 5way.


While you are also in Poland, I would say go for SE5way, there is nothing can go wrong with this awesome ciems believe me.

 

I don't say NT6 is bad, but they are rather completing each other instead of rivaling.

 

JH13FP on the other hand, I can't add anything more than tupac's comment and I trust his words hands down.

post #1734 of 1982

tupac/Amber thanks for the inputs. Location of Spiral Ears is in favour of purchasing SE 5way. On the other hand, even if I pay USD 50 for shipping my impressions to Korea still the price of Hidition NT-6/NT-6 Pro would be lower than the price of SE 5way by approx. USD 400 (it's a lot of money).

Regarding the sound signature of NT-6 I'm a little bit afraid that they will sound for me too bright or thin. On other hand, I'm afraid that SE 5way will be to dark/boomy for me. So I thouhgt that JH Audio 13 Pro would be somewhere in between; but now you are saying that both NT-6 and SE 5way are more capable than JHA 13 Pro (I found an old Grzegorz's post on our local, Polish forum in which he wrote that for him due to the technical solutions adopted in JHA 13 Pro even his 3way Reference are more technically advanced; although I know that he was writing in favour of his CIEM but this somehow matches whit what tupac has written).


Edited by shakur1996 - 12/29/13 at 10:23am
post #1735 of 1982
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Originally Posted by Krismarzyk View Post

 

Regarding the sound signature of NT-6 I'm a little bit afraid that they will sound for me too bright or thin. On other hand, I'm afraid that SE 5way will be too dark/boomy for me. 

No. they are not. They are both within range of very neutral. NT6 might be a little bright with a bit enhanced clarity, that's about it. It's not thin at all. SE5 isn't bright, but it's not dark either. it's just on the smoother side of neutral. And there is nothing boomy about SE5. 

 

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Originally Posted by Krismarzyk View Post
 

So I thouhgt that JH Audio 13 Pro would be somewhere in between

This statement is even more irrelevant than the last one :tongue_smile:.  just kidding

 

On the serious note, JH13 FP share no sound character of SE5 or NT6 at all. It just sounds very different, so there is no such thing as "in between".

 

If you mean in terms of OVERALL brightness, it goes NT6 > JH13 = SE5 with SE5 being more airy and transparent.


Edited by tupac0306 - 12/29/13 at 11:05am
post #1736 of 1982

Oh. No I think I get it. Many thanks.

 

Last question, I did not see Black Friday discounts from Spiral Ear but do you know whether Hidition had such discounts?

post #1737 of 1982

Grzegorz tends to only give discounts in group buys. So if you got someone else to buy with you and ship to the same address you'd get a slight discount (not much at all). But its better than nothing.

post #1738 of 1982
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Originally Posted by Krismarzyk View Post
 

tupac/Amber thanks for the inputs. Location of Spiral Ears is in favour of purchasing SE 5way. On the other hand, even if I pay USD 50 for shipping my impressions to Korea still the price of Hidition NT-6/NT-6 Pro would be lower than the price of SE 5way by approx. USD 400 (it's a lot of money).

Regarding the sound signature of NT-6 I'm a little bit afraid that they will sound for me too bright or thin. On other hand, I'm afraid that SE 5way will be to dark/boomy for me. So I thouhgt that JH Audio 13 Pro would be somewhere in between; but now you are saying that both NT-6 and SE 5way are more capable than JHA 13 Pro (I found an old Grzegorz's post on our local, Polish forum in which he wrote that for him due to the technical solutions adopted in JHA 13 Pro even his 3way Reference are more technically advanced; although I know that he was writing in favour of his CIEM but this somehow matches whit what tupac has written).

 

Don't overlook the value of the active SE5 community. As a NT6 Pro owner, I can tell you that I am more than a little jealous of this active community and its helpfulness compared to the less active Hidition community. But we are working on that. :smile:

 

I was in your position last year deciding between the NT6 Pro and SE5 ending up with NT6 Pro mainly due to logistics believing that I couldn't go wrong either way. Grzegorz's non-EU shipping policy and EU/US import taxes are not very friendly to US buyers while the US and N. Korea have a free trade agreement. If I lived in Poland such as yourself, I would have probably gotten the SE5 using the same rational. So don't forget to factor in the taxes/shipping where applicable as sometimes they can be substantial negating much of the $400 savings you mentioned. 

 

The NT6 Pro's sound is very textured and impactful and definitely not thin so it will not disappoint you. I couldn't be happier with the NT6 Pro, but I would love to own a SE5 as well believing that they would complement each other in my lineup. If you decide to get a Hidition, we would love to welcome you to the Hidition community though.

post #1739 of 1982
Barra, many thanks. It's a good point with taxes - I will check whether there is any free trade agreement between Poland and Korea. I will have one question regarding NT-6 Pro but I will ask it in NT-6 Pro thread.
Edited by shakur1996 - 12/30/13 at 5:02am
post #1740 of 1982
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Originally Posted by Krismarzyk View Post

Barra, many thanks. It's a good point with taxes - I will check whether there is any free trade agreement between Poland and Korea. I will have one question regarding NT-6 Pro but I will aks it in NT-6 thread.

I really suggest you to verify that carefully.

Hidition told there is a FTA between Korea and the E.U, and it seems correct, but imho, the FTA does not concern consumers like us, it rather concerns professionnals.

I received my pair today and had to pay taxes.

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