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I'm a huge Mahler fan myself, as you can read in my Sony EX1000 review. Scroll down a bit to read the listening notes with the Symphony #2 and the Sonys vs. JVCs. I'd love to recommend the EX1000 (or even EX600) to you, but sadly they're prone to wind noise and thus unsuited for cycling. But the JVCs are very close in every way and among the very best phones I've heard with that kind of music.

Sometimes, it's hard for us IEM-using audiophiles to accept that household brands like Sony, JVC or Panasonic can create decent IEMs. Thx for adding the Sony model to my mix of IEMs to watch for. How fast are the Sony's (or JVCs) in your opinion? This is a pretty important qualitative sonic metric for me. As noted earlier, when I use IEMs and listen to music, it is very much and interactive experience -- I like the music (with its beat, pace, rhythm) to psychologically merge with my activity (cycling, jogging, office work etc., household errands and chores like cooking/cleaning). In the SM3v2 thread, I comment that I can't really do that w/the EarSonics (tho' those IEMs have certain strong and desirable sonic attributes, rhythmic and temporal mechanics are not among them). I've heard some users (e.g., MunkyBalz) comment that FX700s are no more rhythmic (= fast) than SM3. The SM3s are not bad at rhythm, but compared to the pace-n-rhythm king (Sennheiser IE8; there may be other equivalent or  even ones better/faster, but I don't have time/$/desire for en masse IEM testing !!), they are relatively slow and, hence (IMO), boring and unspectacular. The SM3s also "compress" macro-dynamics to a significantly important extent: the surprise element and excitement of 1812 Overture or movie-soundtrack explosions are gone. Not good!

 In the IE8 appreciation thread, some folks note positive comparisons to the top Monsters, so I may try them out some time. Regular Grado (non-IEM) are the fastest dynamic cans I've heard, so maybe Grado IEMs are fast, too. Dunno.

One last thing I have noticed is that I tend to prefer IEMs with wide (and short) nozzles (and all these, I think, are also dynamic [not armature]). The IE8s have short nozzles that are 5.5mm wide (I think this is widest, based on |joker|'s massive survey). That said, many have said that if I want dynamics and quickness, the Fischer DBA-02's are hard to beat. Their nozzle diameter is only 3mm wide (dunno how short/long, tho') -- and they are armature to boot (so take my theory with a whole lot of salt!).

Maybe the new AKG USD$1500 IEMs will be the fastest. I wish beyer would put out a high-end IEM. And it's about time (my suggestion!) for Senn to start thinking about a successor to IE8.


Edited by alphaman - 6/10/11 at 6:23am
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Maybe the new AKG USD$1500 IEMs will be the fastest.

Please fix this link, there is no mention of this item anywhere on this page, which takes an incredibly long time to load.

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Please fix this link, there is no mention of this item anywhere on this page, which takes an incredibly long time to load.

Arrg!!!! This forum's Huddler editor is just as bad as its internal SE. For Chrissake ... for all the $$ head-fi pays Huddler, you'd think we'd get something functional. What a way to run a railroad!

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/554628/akg-k3003-high-end-3-way-system-headphone

http://eu.akg.com/akg-k3003-eu.html
http://www.headphiles.org/index.php?topic=2763.0

 


Edited by alphaman - 6/10/11 at 5:48pm
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Thanks alphaman!

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Sometimes, it's hard for us IEM-using audiophiles to accept that household brands like Sony, JVC or Panasonic can create decent IEMs. Thx for adding the Sony model to my mix of IEMs to watch for. How fast are the Sony's (or JVCs) in your opinion? This is a pretty important qualitative sonic metric for me. As noted earlier, when I use IEMs and listen to music, it is very much and interactive experience -- I like the music (with its beat, pace, rhythm) to psychologically merge with my activity (cycling, jogging, office work etc., household errands and chores like cooking/cleaning). In the SM3v2 thread, I comment that I can't really do that w/the EarSonics (tho' those IEMs have certain strong and desirable sonic attributes, rhythmic and temporal mechanics are not among them). I've heard some users (e.g., MunkyBalz) comment that FX700s are no more rhythmic (= fast) than SM3. The SM3s are not bad at rhythm, but compared to the pace-n-rhythm king (Sennheiser IE8; there may be other equivalent or  even ones better/faster, but I don't have time/$/desire for en masse IEM testing !!), they are relatively slow and, hence (IMO), boring and unspectacular. The SM3s also "compress" macro-dynamics to a significantly important extent: the surprise element and excitement of 1812 Overture or movie-soundtrack explosions are gone. Not good!

 In the IE8 appreciation thread, some folks note positive comparisons to the top Monsters, so I may try them out some time. Regular Grado (non-IEM) are the fastest dynamic cans I've heard, so maybe Grado IEMs are fast, too. Dunno.

One last thing I have noticed is that I tend to prefer IEMs with wide (and short) nozzles (and all these, I think, are also dynamic [not armature]). The IE8s have short nozzles that are 5.5mm wide (I think this is widest, based on |joker|'s massive survey). That said, many have said that if I want dynamics and quickness, the Fischer DBA-02's are hard to beat. Their nozzle diameter is only 3mm wide (dunno how short/long, tho') -- and they are armature to boot (so take my theory with a whole lot of salt!).

Maybe the new AKG USD$1500 IEMs will be the fastest. I wish beyer would put out a high-end IEM. And it's about time (my suggestion!) for Senn to start thinking about a successor to IE8.

 

Well, tbo I'm not sure whether your conception of "fast IEMs" matches mine (or most other's here). BAs move less mass than dynamic drivers, so they're generally faster. I too have the IE8 and like them very much, but they don't strike me as particularly fast. From your posts I'm led to believe that your idea of "fast" might be in fact a mix of both speed and energy. Thus the SM3 may well be a tad faster than the IE8 (in mere signal response, cause they're BA), yet their response carries less energy than the Senn's and therefore they sound less exciting to you. Don't know if that makes any sense to you, just trying to establish a common understanding.

 

Anyway, provided that we factor energy into the equation, no BA based phone I've heard will be able to dethrone the IE8 as your pace-n-rhythm king. The DBA-02 may be fast and dynamic, but for an 1812 Overture or a movie-soundtrack explosion to make you jump, you need impact as well. Which brings me to the FX700 and EX1000, since both of them are pretty fast and at the same time able to carry a lot of energy, which makes them sound snappy and powerful. They're even more impressive than the IE8 in that regard and (at least in my book) guaranteed to get your toes tapping.

 

Edit: Your recent post about the SE530 fits the picture: the Shures are the most energetic BAs I've heard so far.


Edited by james444 - 6/10/11 at 2:01pm
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I also had the IE8 and thought they were very good and certainly enjoyed them more than the SE530 and a lot more than the SM3. However, I wouldn't consider them (that) fast, either. And, as James444 says, perhaps I have a different concept of 'fast'. From memory, the IE8 would seem a little 'sloppy' (for lack of a better term) compared to the EX1000.

 

I recently had the W4s, the best BA IEM I've heard and a great phone, and while their speed was very good, I find the EX1000s to be a step up, handling complex passages more proficiently (I had both at the same time, so was able to do a direct comparison). For orchestral/symphonic music, the EX1000 is, no doubt, the best IEM I've heard and was always better than the W4. For chamber music, sometimes the W4 delivered a slightly more convincing sound, other times it was the EX1000. 

 

I haven't heard the FX700.


Edited by music_4321 - 6/10/11 at 2:35pm
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For the record, I haven't heard FX700 or EX1000.

 

- The IE8's (and 530) can make one want to dance, jog faster, increase bike cadence,  tap toes. This seems to happen w/o me even thinking about it (i.e, naturally, the sonics draw me in and I find this thrilling and appealing -- this is what good music and good gear are, at the most basic, animalistc level, supposed to do).

- The IE8s, additionally, have very good(uncompressed)+fast macro-dynamic range: percussion, tympani drums, movie explosions, etc., can have stunning and surprising impact.

 

The SM3v2s I just acquired are deficient in all the above (caveats: comparatively speaking WRT gear I have; with ~ 80 hrs burn-in time for the new SM3s; ear/brain diffs amongst us all; my personal (dis)abilities to critically listen and interpret what I hear; linguistic/semantic diffs between us all!). I'm not sure if this is why I find the SM3s boring.

 

With the 530s, as zippy as they are, I simply find their sound crude, glaring, rough -- all-round, and relatively speaking of course, low-fi and even offensive. They are similar to Grado full-sized 'phones: fast transients, smooth mid-range, but like sound coming from a horn or megaphone. 

 

Hope that was clear.


Edited by alphaman - 6/10/11 at 10:39pm
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^ I think we're on the right track, your preferences require energy and dynamics along with speed.

 

I also agree on the SE530, they're energetic but lack refinement in anything but mids.

 

I believe the FX700 would fit your bill, unless you're overly sensitive to treble (they have more forward highs than the IE8).

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^ I think we're on the right track, your preferences require energy and dynamics along with speed.

 

I also agree on the SE530, they're energetic but lack refinement in anything but mids.

 

I believe the FX700 would fit your bill, unless you're overly sensitive to treble (they have more forward highs than the IE8).

Of all the IEMs I've heard, the IE8's are the most refined and delicate. Most of my electronic gear use FETs and JFETs, which soften the treble blow a bit.
 

Okay, so if your definition of 'energy' is my def. of 'faster', I assume this is what MunkyBalz meant above by "DBA-02 hands down, faster, not even a comparison.  Even the SM3 is faster than the FX700." ?

 

 


Edited by alphaman - 6/11/11 at 7:24am
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The impression I get is you are wanting something with a good dynamic range and something that moves alot of air. IMO the FX700 is in a league above the DBA in both respects. 

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The impression I get is you are wanting something with a good dynamic range and something that moves alot of air. IMO the FX700 is in a league above the DBA in both respects. 

Does your description also include excellent, fast and dynamic transients? Lightning-quick decay, and equally-quick ramp-ups, or acceleration, linear to  the signal. The 'phones should not in any way slow down the audio signal. My reference for fast transients are SE530s and IE8s. The IE8s are very slightly slower (what some confusingly call 'energy' in this forum ;), but excel over the 530s is most other sonic ways (obviously, I'm not including other attributes such as Isolation or Durability).

 


 

 


Edited by alphaman - 6/11/11 at 1:51pm
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FX700 is better than IE8 in every way IMO.

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yeah, i agree with pianist.

its better in every way.

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You should try the fx500s if want less bass, you'd be surprised....
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FX700 is better than IE8 in every way IMO.

I'd hate to hijack this thread but is Sony  EX1000 better in every way to FX700.

IOW ...

EX1000 > FX700 > IE8

 

 

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