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post #106 of 249
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Originally Posted by KaliKot View Post

The isolation can't be improved further unfortunately, they have open vents which prevent this from happening :)

 

I think the IE8 is faster than this, but this one takes the cake for realism, vocals and instrument performance. They are equal in the bass level for me.

 

 

How so?
 

 

post #107 of 249
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Originally Posted by KaliKot View Post

The isolation can't be improved further unfortunately, they have open vents which prevent this from happening :)

I think the IE8 is faster than this, but this one takes the cake for realism, vocals and instrument performance. They are equal in the bass level for me.

OK, cool (and thx!). So what's FASTER than IE8? Call me a speed freak!

Also (and back to the FX700), how else do they better the IE8? I.e. (no pun intended) WRT dynamics (micro, macro), image focus, graininess (lack of coarseness), flat freq response (sounds that way to human ear, tho' measurements may not reflect that), overall timbral refinement, etc.

post #108 of 249
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Originally Posted by alphaman View Post

 WRT dynamics (micro, macro), image focus, graininess (lack of coarseness), flat freq response (sounds that way to human ear, tho' measurements may not reflect that), overall timbral refinement, etc.


That sort of reminded me of the DBA's, until you mentioned timbre.

 

With regards to all those qualities... and isolation and comfort... and no additional extras/external tweaks et al, I think you're starting to look at customs.  1964 is gaining popularity and have been well reviewed on here, plus they're available for a pretty good price for customs.

 

post #109 of 249

No no, the FX700s is faster than the IE8. 

post #110 of 249
no ie8 is slower than ie9 and google chrome :-)
post #111 of 249

That's exactly how I feel.

Even unamped they sound pretty good.

I want to try the Sony hybrid tips but live in a location where it's not accessible...

 

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Originally Posted by pekingduck View Post

... Oh, and one more thing, the colored sound and soundstage of the FX700 definitely reminds me of my DX1000, which I stupidly sold last year rolleyes.gif. I am really glad now that I have a pair of mini-DX1000 back with me biggrin.gif

 

 



 

 

post #112 of 249

Couple of more Q's...

  1. Munky mentioned the DBA (Fischer DBA-02, I assume) ... forgetting the $$ difference, which of the two (FX700 vs DBA-02) is faster, more dynamic (micro-, macro-), has more "slam" (aka "slammier", slam factor)?
  2. seyo-shop.com has been down for some time now. Dunno if/when they'll come back. Where else can one order these cans (I'm USA-based)?

Edited by alphaman - 6/9/11 at 8:14am
post #113 of 249


I don't know, to my ears the bass of the FX700 is a bit slow imo. I prefer it's sound over the IE8 though but it's not practical because of the non-isolation and the short cable. 

 

I had them for a few days from a friend and I was able to hear it properly because of that.

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No no, the FX700s is faster than the IE8. 


 

 

post #114 of 249

How long to properly break-in the FX700s?

 

Not sure this is a case for  all dynamics, but IE8s are notorious for their 'extended' (= several 100 hr!!) burn-in period. Not sure Senn intended it this way (and there are a very few who feel that Senn IEx -- in some ways -- sound worse after burn-in -- see anythingbutipod review). IMO, the IE8s are best (and possibly the overall best IEM) after the extended break-in. You gotta stick with them, folks -- buy them used (and cheap) from some poor, uninformed, undereducated sap who ditched them based on their early sound ;)


Edited by alphaman - 6/9/11 at 12:53pm
post #115 of 249
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Originally Posted by alphaman View Post

Couple of more Q's...

  1. Munky mentioned the DBA (Fischer DBA-02, I assume) ... forgetting the $$ difference, which of the two (FX700 vs DBA-02) is faster, more dynamic (micro-, macro-), has more "slam" (aka "slammier", slam factor)?
  2. seyo-shop.com has been down for some time now. Dunno if/when they'll come back. Where else can one order these cans (I'm USA-based)?

 

IMO FX700 is a league or two above DBA-02 overall. It offers much more slam in the low end without it sounding excessive, much better dynamics, more micro detail/texture, superior imaging and soundstaging abilities and an overall richer, more realistic listening experience. In regards to speed, they are pretty close. DBA-02 may be faster, but both resolve complex music passages equally well - neither ever gets congested or muddy. In fact, I found it easier to pick out individual sounds with FX700 because it is able to separate thhings further apart than the DBA-02, which sounds a bit compressed by comparison. And in general, I find DBA-02 lacking dynamics a bit compared to other headphones near its price range or more expensive ones. FX700, on the other hand, has very impressive dynamics even for a high end universal IEM.

 

post #116 of 249
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Originally Posted by alphaman View Post

Couple of more Q's...

  1. Munky mentioned the DBA (Fischer DBA-02, I assume) ... forgetting the $$ difference, which of the two (FX700 vs DBA-02) is faster, more dynamic (micro-, macro-), has more "slam" (aka "slammier", slam factor)?
  2. seyo-shop.com has been down for some time now. Dunno if/when they'll come back. Where else can one order these cans (I'm USA-based)?


FX700 way more dynamic, natural, and emotional.  DBA-02 hands down, faster, not even a comparison.  Even the SM3 is faster than the FX700.  Slam... depends what you want.  Both are pretty aggressive.  The DBA is leaner, tighter, and has a bit more of a crunch in the mid to treble regions, mainly because it's so clean, aggressive, and effortless up there.  The JVC has strong, aggressive trebles as well, but also the kicker in the bass.  It's more naturally sounding, but in terms of say overall "crunchiness", I would say the DBA has more of that factor.

 

Basically if you're headbanging to some Children of Bodom, I'd reach for the DBA.  If you're looking for those goosebumps when the bass drops in dub-step, then the FX would probably be a better choice.  (Although the DBA united with the digizoid ZO does a fairly mean job, as well, just not as much "body" or fullness)

post #117 of 249
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Originally Posted by alphaman View Post

Couple of more Q's...

  1. Munky mentioned the DBA (Fischer DBA-02, I assume) ... forgetting the $$ difference, which of the two (FX700 vs DBA-02) is faster, more dynamic (micro-, macro-), has more "slam" (aka "slammier", slam factor)?
  2. seyo-shop.com has been down for some time now. Dunno if/when they'll come back. Where else can one order these cans (I'm USA-based)?

Dimitri at MusicaAcoustics.com carries  DBA02 as well as he sold me FX700 a while back. I got an Open Box unit at a discounted cost but it was a new unit. Highly recommended seller@!!!

 

post #118 of 249
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Originally Posted by munkyballz View Post

FX700 way more dynamic, natural, and emotional.  DBA-02 hands down, faster, not even a comparison.  Even the SM3 is faster than the FX700.  Slam... depends what you want.  Both are pretty aggressive.  The DBA is leaner, tighter, and has a bit more of a crunch in the mid to treble regions, mainly because it's so clean, aggressive, and effortless up there.  The JVC has strong, aggressive trebles as well, but also the kicker in the bass.  It's more naturally sounding, but in terms of say overall "crunchiness", I would say the DBA has more of that factor.

 

Basically if you're headbanging to some Children of Bodom, I'd reach for the DBA.  If you're looking for those goosebumps when the bass drops in dub-step, then the FX would probably be a better choice.  (Although the DBA united with the digizoid ZO does a fairly mean job, as well, just not as much "body" or fullness)

 

Eh, I don't know. I mean FX700 handled everything a threw at them without hiding a single detail. It was immensely broad in its dynamic range, seamless in tonal balance and sounded completely effortless to my ears. DBA-02 sounded compressed and strained by comparison. Perhaps the DBA-02 driver can technically respond a 0.0001 ms faster than FX700's driver, but does it really matter, if at all, when FX700 is the one that sounds more dynamic and effortless, while still resolving all the details (and even more than DBA-02 IMO)?

post #119 of 249

Thx guys.

 

yello131: Saw MusicaAcoustics.com, but it's $20 more than list (+ $10 s/h after that). Not sure its worth it for that much more.

 

Munky: Useful comments from an actual owner (per your Sig. --  hope it's accurate ;) Any IEM faster than DBA? Have you heard IE8 (or any Senn) to compare with?

 

I don't necessarily want "natural" -- mostly because of my overall IEM use is in a workout/action environment. When biking/jogging, one's attn span is only so much. Rather, I want speed, rhythm, motivation. One more thing -- that some of you have mentioned already -- that captures my interest is ability to reproduce complex passages. 

Perfect example: middle of Mahler Sym 5. Listen from about 08:00 here...

 

The 1976 Zubin Mehta LA Phil version of this symp. -- which is faster, tighter still, and better recorded the 2010 BBC Proms above -- is one of my programmatic references for speed, dynamics and other attributes we've been discussing. 


Edited by alphaman - 6/9/11 at 6:44pm
post #120 of 249

Hi alphaman (nice nickname btw ;-), I'd like to bring this post to your attention:

 

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Originally Posted by shinybeast View Post

I have fallen in love with the JVC. From Mahler to Mingus, K-OS to Krall, DJ Shadow to Donovan; as you noted the magic with strings; piano, acoustic guitar almost crushingly gorgeous...I was a little surprised to read that you found the bass a bit "excessive for your liking" but this just points to the woefully insufficient breadth of my listening. For me, how well the phones convey and handle dynamically/tonally high-contrast symphonic music is the single most important thing. Even IEMs that do well with strings, for instance, can have real trouble with the big brass passages of say a Mahler or a Bruckner symphony in full stride.


I'm a huge Mahler fan myself, as you can read in my Sony EX1000 review. Scroll down a bit to read the listening notes with the Symphony #2 and the Sonys vs. JVCs. I'd love to recommend the EX1000 (or even EX600) to you, but sadly they're prone to wind noise and thus unsuited for cycling. But the JVCs are very close in every way and among the very best phones I've heard with that kind of music.

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