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Should I get the HD600? D2000 too sibilant.

post #1 of 11
4/9/11 at 11:28am
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Hello, been lurking here for a few months now. Finally found the need to create an account.
Anyways, I have the opportunity to acquire a used Sennheiser HD600 for $210 (with bad cables, so $25 for replacement) to complement my Denon AH-D2000. They will be used with my Little Dot I+ (OPAMP stock or OPA2107, tubes 6IJ or CV4010) and Audinst HUD-mx1 DAC.

Now, how sibilant is the HD600 compared to the D2000? I find the Denon very sibilant, to the point of listening exclusively to dubstep. Everytime an 's' is spoken it overwhelms every other sound and hurts my ears, and other sibilant parts (e.g. cymbals) sounds "imprecise", like a bunch of hissing. I'm pretty content with everything else with my D2000, although a little less bass and more midrange wouldn't hurt. A second, but minor question, is how well will my current setup be able to drive the HD600's?

Thanks in advance.

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post #2 of 11
4/9/11 at 12:14pm

Hællæ.

 

I don't think HD600 has sufficient bass (sub) to play dub-step well.

 

You could try adding some foam in front of the driver on your D2000 to make them less sibilant.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/450631/a-trick-to-get-less-treble-and-sibilance-on-markl-modded-denons

Another trick is to use EQ...

 

 

 

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post #3 of 11
4/9/11 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by bar1 View Post

Hællæ.

 

I don't think HD600 has sufficient bass (sub) to play dub-step well.

 

You could try adding some foam in front of the driver on your D2000 to make them less sibilant.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/450631/a-trick-to-get-less-treble-and-sibilance-on-markl-modded-denons

Another trick is to use EQ...

 

 

 



Heisann,
I meant the sibilance of the D2000's can be so bad that I avoid entire genres.
Regarding markl mod, I've read about it before, didn't know they made them less sibilant. But I'm far from confident enough to mod these.
I've tried EQ-ing, didn't help much with the sibilance.

Takk for svaret!

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post #4 of 11
4/9/11 at 12:31pm

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Originally Posted by konconn View Post

Heisann,
I meant the sibilance of the D2000's can be so bad that I avoid entire genres.
Regarding markl mod, I've read about it before, didn't know they made them less sibilant. But I'm far from confident enough to mod these.
I've tried EQ-ing, didn't help much with the sibilance.

Takk for svaret!

 

Yes markl mod doesn't make them less sibilant. Have a look at the link I posted, it's not about markl mod.

This foam mod is VERY easy to perform and completely reversible.

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post #5 of 11
4/9/11 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by bar1 View Post

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Originally Posted by konconn View Post

Heisann,
I meant the sibilance of the D2000's can be so bad that I avoid entire genres.
Regarding markl mod, I've read about it before, didn't know they made them less sibilant. But I'm far from confident enough to mod these.
I've tried EQ-ing, didn't help much with the sibilance.

Takk for svaret!

 

Yes markl mod doesn't make them less sibilant. Have a look at the link I posted, it's not about markl mod.

This foam mod is VERY easy to perform and completely reversible.


So I can do this on a non-markl modded D2000? Seems pretty easy. I might try this out then, but I'm still interested in the HD600. Forgot to mention that I lack soundstage in the D2000's. Thanks for linking this, never heard of it before.

 

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post #6 of 11
4/9/11 at 1:03pm

Try to get the HD650. If the bass is still not enough for you then EQ it. The bass on the HD650 can be EQ'd to monstrous level without much distortion.


 

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post #7 of 11
4/9/11 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by bisayaboi View Post

Try to get the HD650. If the bass is still not enough for you then EQ it. The bass on the HD650 can be EQ'd to monstrous level without much distortion.


 


Does the improvements offered by the HD650 justify the $100 increase in cost? I won't really need lots of bass as I have the D2000 for that.

 

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post #8 of 11
4/9/11 at 3:21pm
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Does the improvements offered by the HD650 justify the $100 increase in cost? I won't really need lots of bass as I have the D2000 for that.

 

Well the sound signature is more similar to the D2000 than the HD600. If that's what you're looking for. The HD600 is more neutral but also slightly less technical then the HD650 while the HD650 is more musical with a strong focus on it's amazing midrange, good bass, and the most unfatiguing treble I've ever heard. There is literally no sibilance on the HD650 and the treble has very good sparkle. The HD650 has great range as well reaching extremely high and low.
 

 

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post #9 of 11
11/19/11 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by bisayaboi View Post

Well the sound signature is more similar to the D2000 than the HD600. If that's what you're looking for. The HD600 is more neutral but also slightly less technical then the HD650 while the HD650 is more musical with a strong focus on it's amazing midrange, good bass, and the most unfatiguing treble I've ever heard. There is literally no sibilance on the HD650 and the treble has very good sparkle. The HD650 has great range as well reaching extremely high and low.
 

 

I happen to be allergic to treble it seems.  I currently have D2000's which for the most part do not have sibilance problems except with certain recordings.  I might have to sell or trade the D2000's for Hd650's.  I do love the bass on the D2000's.  Can the HD650's compare in this regard?
 

 

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post #10 of 11
11/19/11 at 8:40pm

 

 

Little Dot 1+ will be marginal with a HD600 and HD650 (300ohm impedance)

 

Also impossible to guess at how much voltage swing it will provide as these cans like a bit of voltage swing.

 

 

  • Power Output:
  • 150mW @ 300 ohms
  • 300mW @ 120 ohms
  • 800mW @ 32 ohms
  • User variable gain settings: 6.5x or 3.25x
  • Power Consumption: 15VA
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post #11 of 11
11/20/11 at 12:32am
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I happen to be allergic to treble it seems.  I currently have D2000's which for the most part do not have sibilance problems except with certain recordings.  I might have to sell or trade the D2000's for Hd650's.  I do love the bass on the D2000's.  Can the HD650's compare in this regard?
 

 



The HD650 has much smoother and gentler treble than the D2k. It's basically the HD600 with the bass turned up and the treble turned down slightly.

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