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Originally Posted by kimvictor View Post

How are they different? Are they tuned in another way?

Just a more coherent sound overall without the upper bass dip then the deep bass bloat. The highs are also smoother than the more sibilant old version. Then the mids are not as recessed.

post #752 of 954
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I know he was talking about the T50RP. The M50 isn't the only piece of garbage that gets unspeakably large amounts of hype.

 

In my experience, the M50 did seem like quite an over-rated, over-hyped headphone.  Fortunately, I was able to locate a pair locally on Craigslist for $60 and they were nearly new.  After having them, I found myself wondering what was so good about them.  I've owned other Audio Technica headphones before - specifically the AD900 / A900 series (both the open and closed variants).  To me, the "900" series was quite a good headphone, and given if you can locate refurbished pairs listed in the "Deals" thread, they can be an excellent bargain.  On the other hand, the portability of the M50 can't be beat. The 900 series is far, far from being portable-capable headphones.  However, after a few months of using the M50, I decided to sell them on Craigslist, and received $60 for them, so nothing was lost as far as money is concerned.

 

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So you also think that T50rp is crap. Never heard that before. I wish I could demo the t50rp to see what the hype is about.

 

The modified Fostex T50RP has received quite a bit of hype.  Though, modification is key.  If one is looking for a "fun" sound, then modified is where one needs to head.  Stock, the T50RP is a studio headphone.  It won't really woo you because it is meant to keep the sound clean and not emphasized in one way or another and musicians as well as vocalists in the studio and people who mix tracks, are better off using sound a neutral can.

 

Listening for enjoyment is another aspect.  In those cases, like some more oomph when it comes to bass, mids, etc.  The T50RP hype really was generated when some members compared them to the Audeze LCD-2 headphones.  I've modified many pair of Fostex headphones, as well as have heard the various modified versions that are being sold.  To me, none of them really pushed me back into the chair.  There were good, but they were not great.  Tweaking them was a fun exercise, but then after taking the cups apart about two dozen times to apply various tweaks, I was zapped of my energy as well as enthusiasm for the headphone itself.

 

To me, the Beyerdynamic DT-770 is a great closed pair of headphones that excels above the M50, in my opinion. Some people will comment that the bass is or can be over-emphasized a bit.  However, I've found that it really can be conditional based on what you are using the drive the headphones.  Some amps can color the sound a bit - even though they shouldn't.  But, when I've used them with the Audio-GD amps / DACs, I've never found the sound to be heavy on the low end.  Most frequencies were well represented.

post #753 of 954

Monotone one note bass, spitty metallic treble, mediocre soundstage, sound closed / hollow....

 

Yes I also fail to see what is so great about them... They are OK... But not exactly very good....

post #754 of 954
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@kimvictor:

Have you tried the fostex t50rp's? I hear their mids are awesome

Ew. I wouldn't call distant, muffled, and edgeless awesome.

 

 

 

I tried the Fostex with a view to modding. I found them so awful (as opposed to awesome) I couldn't convince myself that any amount of modding short of magically turning them into another headphone altogether (Dynamo, where are you?!) would get me a satisfactory result. I'm still scratching my head over the hype this headphone has generated.

post #755 of 954
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I tried the Fostex with a view to modding. I found them so awful (as opposed to awesome) I couldn't convince myself that any amount of modding short of magically turning them into another headphone altogether (Dynamo, where are you?!) would get me a satisfactory result. I'm still scratching my head over the hype this headphone has generated.

Hmm. Another person hating the T50RP. But don't they at least have better mids than M50?

post #756 of 954

In stock form, mid is all they have and it's not even that good. Oh yeah, despite my avatar, I don't even use (or like) my T50RP, I'd take CAL, DJ100 or even modded RX700 over it. tongue.gif

post #757 of 954
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I tried the Fostex with a view to modding. I found them so awful (as opposed to awesome) I couldn't convince myself that any amount of modding short of magically turning them into another headphone altogether (Dynamo, where are you?!) would get me a satisfactory result. I'm still scratching my head over the hype this headphone has generated.

Hmm. Another person hating the T50RP. But don't they at least have better mids than M50?


Never heard an M50. I can only say that the Fostex was one of the worst headphones I've ever heard. Why anyone would choose it to mod I can't imagine, but I greatly admire anyone who can make it sound good. I just wish they would exert their expert modding abilities on something like an HD650 or DT880. 

post #758 of 954
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Never heard an M50. I can only say that the Fostex was one of the worst headphones I've ever heard. Why anyone would choose it to mod I can't imagine, but I greatly admire anyone who can make it sound good. I just wish they would exert their expert modding abilities on something like an HD650 or DT880. 

I personally think that modding can change a headphone dramatically. I didn't like my V6 at first, but once I modded it myself with damper change and added bass vents, the sound sig totally changed(as in going from SRH440 to SRH840). But I haven't modded a fostex, so I don't know how much modding will change those.

post #759 of 954

Unlike the Sennheiser HD 280 pros, which are another mid range sealed headphone that is very popular, the M50s are actually good sounding. I think people tend to overrated most audio products they buy.

post #760 of 954
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Unlike the Sennheiser HD 280 pros, which are another mid range sealed headphone that is very popular, the M50s are actually good sounding. I think people tend to overrated most audio products they buy.

No. The M50 is unbearable to listen to for extended periods due to the headache-inducing treble. I like aggressive treble, but the M50's upper register is full of so much THD and spikes that it causes fatigue extremely quickly. The HD280 doesn't have this. It may not be as refined but given the choice between the two I'd definitely go with the 280; at least my ears won't be bleeding after 10 minutes of eartime. 


Edited by takato14 - 6/24/13 at 7:36pm
post #761 of 954
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Never heard an M50. I can only say that the Fostex was one of the worst headphones I've ever heard. Why anyone would choose it to mod I can't imagine, but I greatly admire anyone who can make it sound good. I just wish they would exert their expert modding abilities on something like an HD650 or DT880. 

I personally think that modding can change a headphone dramatically. I didn't like my V6 at first, but once I modded it myself with damper change and added bass vents, the sound sig totally changed(as in going from SRH440 to SRH840). But I haven't modded a fostex, so I don't know how much modding will change those.

It can change certain things about a headphone dramatically, namely frequency response and presentation, but no matter what you do to a headphone you're not going to fix poor transient response, lack of detail, high THD, and other faults caused by the driver itself. This is the downfall of the T50RP and most of the popular modding candidates out there, and is the reason why the statement that a modded T50RP can stand up to world-class headphones like the LCD-2 is complete and utter nonsense. 

post #762 of 954

I'm not very fond of their comfort, recessed midrange or mediocre soundstage, but they aren't bad all-rounders for the price.  I'd rather spend $200 for something that is significantly better all around.

 

I think that they are overrated by newcomers who have not heard anything else at a comparable price.  That doesn't make them bad, however.  They are certainly more deserving of their hype than Beats.

post #763 of 954
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It can change certain things about a headphone dramatically, namely frequency response and presentation, but no matter what you do to a headphone you're not going to fix poor transient response, lack of detail, high THD, and other faults caused by the driver itself. This is the downfall of the T50RP and most of the popular modding candidates out there, and is the reason why the statement that a modded T50RP can stand up to world-class headphones like the LCD-2 is complete and utter nonsense. 

Well, THD and transient respons do change with certain mods... there are few measurements that shows that.

post #764 of 954
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Originally Posted by takato14 View Post

It can change certain things about a headphone dramatically, namely frequency response and presentation, but no matter what you do to a headphone you're not going to fix poor transient response, lack of detail, high THD, and other faults caused by the driver itself. This is the downfall of the T50RP and most of the popular modding candidates out there, and is the reason why the statement that a modded T50RP can stand up to world-class headphones like the LCD-2 is complete and utter nonsense. 
Well, THD and transient respons do change with certain mods... there are few measurements that shows that.
The THD plot may change but that doesn't mean that the distortion is lower. The THD plot is not a measure of distortion so much as it is a measurement of how much the output from the headphone differs from the original signal.

And, no amount of damping modifications can change a headphone's transient response. That's not how physics work.
post #765 of 954
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The THD plot may change but that doesn't mean that the distortion is lower. The THD plot is not a measure of distortion so much as it is a measurement of how much the output from the headphone differs from the original signal.

And, no amount of damping modifications can change a headphone's transient response. That's not how physics work.

Well, isn't THD plot supposed to show distortion? I mean, "measurement of how much the output from the headphone differs from the original signal" sounds like distortion to me.

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