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Poll Results: Best speakers ever made = ?

 
  • 8% (4)
    Snell THX Music & Cinema Reference Towers $XXXK? (Kipnis Studio Standard)
  • 18% (9)
    Bowers & Wilkins Diamond 800 $15-25K (Abbey Road Studios)
  • 2% (1)
    Klipsch Palladium P-39F $31,000
  • 4% (2)
    Revel Ultima Studio 2 $16,000 (Kevin Voecks)
  • 8% (4)
    Wilson Audio Alexandra $158,000
  • 8% (4)
    Kharma Grand Enigma $1,000,000
  • 6% (3)
    Wilson Audio Puppy
  • 0% (0)
    Snell A7 Reference $50,000
  • 0% (0)
    ADAM Audio’s Olympic Sound System $325 000
  • 10% (5)
    Wisdom Audio’s Infinite Wisdom Grande $700 000
  • 0% (0)
    Acapella Audio Arts Sphaeron Excalibur $350 700
  • 0% (0)
    FM Acoustics Inspiration $350 000
  • 0% (0)
    German Psyiks Gaudi MK II $270 000
  • 2% (1)
    Genesis 1.2 $220 000
  • 0% (0)
    NTT AUDIOLAB 101 Mk II $200 000
  • 2% (1)
    Kharma Grand Exquisite $300 000
  • 0% (0)
    SWAN / HIVI Swan 2.3BHT $50,000
  • 2% (1)
    KEF Reference 207/2 $19,000
  • 28% (14)
    OTHER SPEAKERS THAT I WILL MENTION & SHOW IN THE THREAD.
49 Total Votes  
post #31 of 62
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post

To me, the five and six figure offerings seem more like a way to maximize profits than a way to maximize performance.


In a typically sized living room or listening room, I think spending maybe $5,000 on some really great monitors (and maybe a sub if you find that necessary, I usually don't) can get you at least 80% there. Add another $10-15K for floorstanders and you'll get another 5-8% or so. After that, each additional percentage point is exponentially more expensive, and there's a limit to what the room can handle and the level of sound that it will support. Big $200K flagships like the Arrakis need BIG rooms to fill with sound, with thousands of dollars spent on treatments alone.

post #32 of 62

This thread is fun but pointless. Nobody has heard even more than half of the speakers on the list and if they have, it was mostly in  tiny hotel rooms at audio shows. A better question would be "what are the best speakers (price no object) that you ever heard?" I can understand how a speaker may have to be priced at $15,000 to recoup R&D costs and have nice build quality. But those $300,000 speakers are just ridiculous. If you really love music, with that amount of money you could see concerts for the rest of your life. I always thought it was interesting that the companies with hundreds of engineers, speaker DBT rooms, anechoric chambers, and every other advantage you could ask for usually release products with semi-reasonable prices. For example Klipsch, Quad, Paradigm, Magneplanar, B&W, even Wilson or MBL keep most of their prices in the low 5 figures. A lot of the stuff over $100,000 is made by much smaller companies with necessarily limited development resources, experience, and equipment. Kind of makes you think...  A lot of audiophiles have this idea that the best equipment is made by one guy toiling away in his basement for 10 years and priced to match. While that may be true in some cases (Carver's insane hand-built transformers for his tube amps), in most cases there is no way these "companies" can make a higher quality product than a real manufacturer with hundreds of engineers.


Edited by tvrboy - 4/22/11 at 2:57am
post #33 of 62
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Originally Posted by tvrboy View Post

A lot of audiophiles have this idea that the best equipment is made by one guy toiling away in his basement for 10 years and priced to match. While that may be true in some cases (Carver's insane hand-built transformers for his tube amps), in most cases there is no way these "companies" can make a higher quality product than a real manufacturer with hundreds of engineers.

 

I hope you're not seriously suggesting that Klipsch makes better speakers than companies like Rockport or NOLA, just because they've got a lot of people working for them and can pump out tens of thousands of speakers to sell at Best Buy. The best speaker companies are usually run by one or two guys who have an incredible passion for getting the best sound possible. People like Andy Payor, Alon Wolf, Carl Marchisotto, and Jeff Joseph, not some faceless group of engineers told to pump out a new speaker to hit some price and market target for the suit back at corporate HQ.

 

Let me know when Klipsch or Paradigm start building speakers like this:

 

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Edited by DaveBSC - 4/22/11 at 6:53am
post #34 of 62

i havent actually heard them...yet, but from everything that i've read these are absolutely ridiculous, especially for the price. using a custom RAAL tweeter, and a Accuton midrange, with a custom designed woofer using 2 passive radiators instead of a port.

 

http://salksound.com/soundscape%2012%20home.htm

 

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Edited by SoupRKnowva - 4/23/11 at 6:19am
post #35 of 62

The big problem here is that the speakers will sound differently in different environments connected to different amps and sources.

Shall I mention interconnects and speaker cables? Too late.................

 

I remember a pommie hifi rag reviewer complain about the Halcro amps he was auditioning because he couldn't identify it's sound signature.

Isn't the real point of hifi to reproduce accurately as possible what is recorded in the media, i.e CD, Vinyl, etc.?

 

post #36 of 62

Best ones I've heard so far is the MBL Reference Line 101 Extreme but havent heard any of the others in the list so cant really compare smily_headphones1.gif

post #37 of 62
NHT xD.

It's extremely flat, coherent waterfall and impulse, and less than 1% THD at fairly stressful sound levels makes it a reference system I drool over. Shame it's discontinued though . . .
post #38 of 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by tvrboy View Post

This thread is fun but pointless. Nobody has heard even more than half of the speakers on the list and if they have, it was mostly in  tiny hotel rooms at audio shows. A better question would be "what are the best speakers (price no object) that you ever heard?" I can understand how a speaker may have to be priced at $15,000 to recoup R&D costs and have nice build quality. But those $300,000 speakers are just ridiculous. If you really love music, with that amount of money you could see concerts for the rest of your life. I always thought it was interesting that the companies with hundreds of engineers, speaker DBT rooms, anechoric chambers, and every other advantage you could ask for usually release products with semi-reasonable prices. For example Klipsch, Quad, Paradigm, Magneplanar, B&W, even Wilson or MBL keep most of their prices in the low 5 figures. A lot of the stuff over $100,000 is made by much smaller companies with necessarily limited development resources, experience, and equipment. Kind of makes you think...  A lot of audiophiles have this idea that the best equipment is made by one guy toiling away in his basement for 10 years and priced to match. While that may be true in some cases (Carver's insane hand-built transformers for his tube amps), in most cases there is no way these "companies" can make a higher quality product than a real manufacturer with hundreds of engineers.


I think there is a fair bit of snake oil in this segment of the market.


Certainly one wonders about the lack of resources to do developmental work with the hole-in- the-wall companies. At the end of the say they still have to make money and even the small guys are aiming towards a market.  I suspect some just add in some exotica (tweeters seem to be favored) and polish the finish until the item item looks like a million bucks and then charge a million bucks.

 

Certainly it is pointless to discuss their virtues if you have never heard them or only in limited listening conditions.  We don't talk about headphones that way but expect people to have some serious listening experience before putting their mouth in gear.

 

post #39 of 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post




In a typically sized living room or listening room, I think spending maybe $5,000 on some really great monitors (and maybe a sub if you find that necessary, I usually don't) can get you at least 80% there. Add another $10-15K for floorstanders and you'll get another 5-8% or so. After that, each additional percentage point is exponentially more expensive, and there's a limit to what the room can handle and the level of sound that it will support. Big $200K flagships like the Arrakis need BIG rooms to fill with sound, with thousands of dollars spent on treatments alone.

This is why I went with the Orion3. It covers the typical living room and the possible dedicated listening room - which is an actual possibility.

I'd rather put money towards a listening room.
post #40 of 62

It is hard to have heard all the speakers on your list but, because I travel a lot and also like to attend audio shows I have listened to almost half of them. Since I think size and point of diminishing returns are as important as sound my favorite is the Wilson Sasha. Before the Sasha I also liked the Watt Puppies 8 but, after listening to them carefully I bought the Vandersteen 5As instead. 

post #41 of 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveBSC View Post



 

I hope you're not seriously suggesting that Klipsch makes better speakers than companies like Rockport or NOLA, just because they've got a lot of people working for them and can pump out tens of thousands of speakers to sell at Best Buy. The best speaker companies are usually run by one or two guys who have an incredible passion for getting the best sound possible. People like Andy Payor, Alon Wolf, Carl Marchisotto, and Jeff Joseph, not some faceless group of engineers told to pump out a new speaker to hit some price and market target for the suit back at corporate HQ.

 

Let me know when Klipsch or Paradigm start building speakers like this:

 

carbonfiber.jpg
 

 



 

Who gives a $hit about carbon fiber weave?  It's like the general consensus is that if any component of an item is made from carbon fiber then it must be the best of the best.

 

The Klipsch Jubilee, which is a custom order speaker not available for view on their website, would walk all over anything made by Rockport and NOLA.

post #42 of 62
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Originally Posted by subtle View Post

 

The Klipsch Jubilee, which is a custom order speaker not available for view on their website, would walk all over anything made by Rockport and NOLA.

 

I don't think I said that "if it's carbon fiber it must be the best". I was responding to a post that implied that mega speaker companies must make the best speakers because of their sheer size, while describing smaller operations as basically shacks that sell their speakers out of the back of vans. McDonalds makes the most hamburgers, that doesn't mean I want to eat one.

 

Personally I'm not a horn guy. The Jubilee might be a great speaker, but I do not see it walking all over anything made by Rockport or NOLA.

 

post #43 of 62

This is the best 5.1 surround sound setup I've ever heard that not only sounds good with movies but is actually capable of producing genuine audiophile quality stereo music aswell. The price for this lot is only about $35,000 USD.

 

B&W Diamond 805S Front and rear speakers

B&W Diamond TM4S Centre speaker (acoustically identical to the front and rear speakers)

B&W SW825 1 kilowatt 12" sub woofer

Classe SSP-800 Surround processor / DAC / stereo preamplifier

Classe CA-5200 5 x 200 watt power amplifier

Evolve LifeStation AV Media Centre and blu-ray player

 

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post #44 of 62

i have the alexandria 2 and apogee grand stages. my bedroom speakers are guarneri mementos . i could not fathom using any of these in a cinema system. i guess whatever floats your boat but i don't see these models as being made for cinema.

one funny thing is i think million dollar speakers are silly. have to draw the line somewhere lol. the nissan is not a direct comparison. the speakers keep getting better. plus the koenigsegg  is just nicer than the nissan :)

post #45 of 62

I recently bought a pair of Kef iq50. just about to fit in my living room, so out with my old bookshelf speakers. Absolutely love them, best money ever spent! in case anyone want know, i bought them from audio affiar. they got some nice high range speakers on their site.

 

the only thing is now should i have saved money for the kef iq90?

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