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How do you deal with record hiss/noise

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hi

I am very happy with my HD800 and SPL Phonitor amplifier, the speed and detail is fantastic. The combo digs out so much detail I am experiencing hiss on alot of my favourite records. I like bands like Rolling Stones, Dire Straits etc and I like to listen loud. Unfortunately it seems like lots of my tracks I like have some level of hiss embedded in the track.

I am quite confident it is not a problem with my setup, I have a lot of newer CDs that are dead silent, this is also the case if I turn the volume up without any music on

I was just wondering if this is a situation alot of us have? I have been researching plugins and not sure if this is a good way of going about it as it could hinder the well recorded CDs I have.

Just thought I'd ask the question to see what other people are using or if it's the curse of liking old music?

thanks
post #2 of 21

Why don't You contact one of Your guy's KwKarth (Admin) or SkyLab (Contributor) one or both should be able to answer that question.

post #3 of 21
How clean are your records?

Also, how's the grounding on your turntable?
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hi guys, I'm all digital, everything ripped to flac.

Thanks
post #5 of 21

Strange, my Dire Straits and most of my old recordings don't have hiss, getting rid of hiss is normally something that the audio engineers do when they remaster an old recording.

Nevertheless, if your remasters are flawed, which is the only reason why some records who exhibit hiss and other not, the only solution is either to buy another recording or remaster it yourself.

post #6 of 21

I´m not sure if there is anything to do other than alter your setup. I have the same "problem". HD800 + BCL + Hegel is such a transparent combination that recordings having some hiss are easy to detect. If I replace the Hegel DAC, or the BCL, with other components in my inventory, the hiss on same recordings is reduced.

 

Bottomline: Our setup is what we could define as transparent. :)

post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thnks for the input guys, I think you re right Loevhagen, I hvnt manged to find a plugin per say but I have kept a close eye on the "How to equalise your headphone" thread and have noticed that I could eliminate the hiss by substantially rolling off the highs. So I started fine tuning and found I had a slight peak at 7.3khz. So using the Electri-q plugin I took 5db off and it has halfed the hiss levels and not lost the sparkle. More importantly it has moved the drumbs back abit in the soundstange so they are not in front of the performer which I'm very happy about.

If your in the same boat I recommend fling a look
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by khaos974 View Post

Strange, my Dire Straits and most of my old recordings don't have hiss, getting rid of hiss is normally something that the audio engineers do when they remaster an old recording.

Nevertheless, if your remasters are flawed, which is the only reason why some records who exhibit hiss and other not, the only solution is either to buy another recording or remaster it yourself.



 

While this is really a thread for the source forum, tape hiss is a part of the analog recording process that can be greatly affected by the quality and type of tape used. It is also greatly impacted by bouncing tracks in recordings that were made prior to 16 track decks.

 

Remasters made from tape that has tape hiss on it that an engineer removed those are flawed remasters. This is because you can't magically remove tape hiss, which occurs in the same frequency that music occcurs in without also removing or reducing some of the musical information.

 

EQ away until your hearts content but most people that are looking for the best versions of CDs from recordings from the 50, 60 and 70s usually look for tape hiss as a sign of minimal eq and noise reduction,

 

Take the many versions of Miles Davis Kind of Blue, versions with the tape hiss removed sound dull and lifeless the current remaster has tape hiss but also has a great sound. The highs are more vibrant and room cues that impacted by noise reduction are present.

 

With EQ there is no free lunch. There is also the impact that younger listeners have having grown up listening to digital recordings and digital playback. If you grew up listening to reel to reel, cassette tape and LPs tape hiss doesn't drive you nuts. What drives you nuts is auto tune and auto time.

post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thats great advice, thanks jp11801

post #10 of 21

Just saw this thread.  

 

Assuming you've taken appropriate steps to ensure your signal path is free from problems...i.e.  The noise you wish to treat is actually part of the track, and not interference that is coming from your process...

 

Using EQ to clean up hiss, pops, clicks, hum, etc, from a track is rude, crude, and generally a great way to further ruin a piece of music.

 

Best and easiest solution to clean up a piece of music you really like but whose background noise you are annoyed with is to use SoundSoap or SoundSaver, both by Bias, Inc.  Great products and very effective and easy to use.

 

http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundSaver/

 

http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundSoap2/

 

I highly recommend them.

post #11 of 21

Nicely put JP11801, like You said about the digital generation due to that is almost all of them know. I Myself could live with some hiss and not destroy the recording without EQing or Dolby which flatten's the music completely!   KwKarth nice tip on that site, I knew You Guy's would come thru!  L3000.gif

post #12 of 21
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Nicely put JP11801, like You said about the digital generation due to that is almost all of them know. I Myself could live with some hiss and not destroy the recording without EQing or Dolby which flatten's the music completely!   KwKarth nice tip on that site, I knew You Guy's would come thru!  L3000.gif


I've used Bias software for years and it will really do a better job of cleaning up the audio with the least deleterious affect to the music itself.  Well worth the money, particularly for the 50 bux for the SoundSaver product.  I use SoundSoap myself.

 

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by kwkarth View Post




I've used Bias software for years and it will really do a better job of cleaning up the audio with the least deleterious affect to the music itself.  Well worth the money, particularly for the 50 bux for the SoundSaver product.  I use SoundSoap myself.

 


Thank's Pal, this is were My achille's heel is in computer's, sometime's You can't teach an old dog new trick's, but I keep trying. I can't place the breed of Your Pup,seem's to escape Me, getting older, mind seem's to misplace thing's now and then.  Puppy Power!!!
 

 

post #14 of 21
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Thank's Pal, this is were My achille's heel is in computer's, sometime's You can't teach an old dog new trick's, but I keep trying. I can't place the breed of Your Pup,seem's to escape Me, getting older, mind seem's to misplace thing's now and then.  Puppy Power!!!

The little fella in the picture, Bosco, is a long haired miniature dachshund, is a rescue dog, weighing in at 6 lbs. soaking wet.  He's got to be the cutest thing on four legs. 

 

How about your pictured friend?

 

BTW, the software is really easy and intuitive to use.  Did you watch the video?

 

http://www.bias-inc.com/downloads/videos/soundSaver/movie.php

http://www.bias-inc.com/downloads/videos/soundSoap2/movie.php

k
 

 

post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by kwkarth View Post



The little fella in the picture, Bosco, is a long haired miniature dachshund, is a rescue dog, weighing in at 6 lbs. soaking wet.  He's got to be the cutest thing on four legs. 

 

How about your pictured friend?

 

BTW, the software is really easy and intuitive to use.  Did you watch the video?

 

http://www.bias-inc.com/downloads/videos/soundSaver/movie.php

 

http://www.bias-inc.com/downloads/videos/soundSoap2/movie.php

 

k
I would never have guessed Dachshund, the long hair threw Me off, what is He there count dachshula? He is a cute little guy, really nice that You adopted Him! No I did not get the chance to watch the video yet, hopefully tonight.  The picture is of Sidney an Australian Cattle dog, He lost His battle with cancer for 10 mos almost 3 and 1/2 yrs ago. He was 3 yrs 7 mo's old when We had to put Him to sleep. That was Mt Buddy!  How I miss Him. Sorry for the downer there, You know how attatched You become, there just like kid's to Us.

 



 

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