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post #31 of 151
4/3/11 at 11:44am

So thre is still a possibility of Omega being better than the O2, if driven properly.

 

Need to see a review on Omega vs. 009....

 

 

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it was their high-end normal production, however Stax went out of business within a year of the Omega's release. 
 



 



 

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post #32 of 151
4/3/11 at 11:59am

I don't see how you could jump to that conclusion based on what I said...   (btw, Spritzer corrected me - they went out of business 2 years after releasing the Omega)

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post #33 of 151
4/3/11 at 12:38pm

So thre is still a possibility of Omega being better than the O2, if driven properly.

 

Need to see a review on Omega vs. 009.... 

 

It is based on my personal preferences for the SR Omega only,  however the SR Omega vs O2mkI were driven by the

same source using the unmodded 727A.   I think the O2mkI is somewhat darker and the soundstage

is narrower, however it depends on personal preferences.    I thought that the HE90 even in

a not perfect setup is better than the SR Omega in my experience.

I have paid the downpayment of 1000$ at the pricejapan.com via paypal and said to Kaneda Sensei

that please take good care of my pair because several headfiers are watching this.  I hope I can get

my pair soon while the Thai Stax distributor could not do that even I confirmed him several months ago.

So there is nothing to lose here especially when using the paypal it is quite safe because we have the buyer

protection programme and  we paid to an established website.  I will have to pay the remaining via wire

transfer or paypal when it is ready for shipment.

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post #34 of 151
4/3/11 at 2:11pm
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Please enlighten us...

sorry at today's exchange rate supersonido's ones are at 1137 with an omega stand:.
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post #35 of 151
4/3/11 at 2:18pm
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I don't see how you could jump to that conclusion based on what I said...   (btw, Spritzer corrected me - they went out of business 2 years after releasing the Omega)



what I said is the "possibility".

 

my logic: if the Omega was out of production simply because it was too expensive to make, then the new Stax company likely designed the O2 to be more profitable, not necessary better than the Omega.

 

There are many people don't like the O2, and the common excuse is the "amping". How do we know that isn't also the case when people do Omega vs. O2 reviews?

 

 and since the Omega is so rare, there probably isn't any amp purposedly developed for (over-)driving its big drivers. The potential market is to tiny to justify the R&D.

 

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post #36 of 151
4/3/11 at 3:48pm
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I'll wait until the FOTM phase is over and get a used pair for a few hundred. wink.gif

On the other hand, one of these and a high-end amp will run you close to $10,000.

That's high-end speaker territory. Have you looked into speakers? I think you should. As the Headphone Price War kicked off a couple years ago, I decided to get out. In my opinion, speakers begin to surpass headphones around $1,000. No, not every $1,000+ speaker will, but the good ones around that level are better.

Ask yourself why you're into the audiophile game. If you're in it to maximize your listening experience, then speakers might be the more cost-effective choice.

I can modify speakers with potential, that cost a few hundred, to surpass most any headphone. 

 

I would buy the SR009 anyway. 
 

 

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post #37 of 151
4/3/11 at 8:08pm

I would not buy the SR009 right away.  I think it is better to wait it out and get more impression once the SR009 starts to ship out.  As of right now, we know that the SR009 sounds great out of Stax amplifiers thanks to Arnaud & Sasaki.  However, more feedbacks are need for such expensive purchased.  The question whether the SR009 will be the best sounding headphones ever made will remain unanswered until it is compared side-by-side in a control environment with headphones such as HE90, R10, and Qualia...and etc.  The SR009 is not limited edition so it will be available for a awhile.  I personally will not buy the SR009 until my BHSE arrives.

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post #38 of 151
4/3/11 at 9:19pm

O2mk1 definitely changes more with better amplification than the Omega.  I love both.

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post #39 of 151
4/3/11 at 11:49pm
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Yeah right wink.gif. I don't agree with you about the speakers things, especially not in the 1k range! Well, unless your measure of sound quality limits itself to chest thump with ultra bass and sharpness of the cymbals. Conventional electrodynamic speakers with multiple non-collocated drivers, mismatch of paper and metal cones depending the frequency range, use of complex passive filters, presence of cabinet resonances, effect of cabinet diffraction, effect of listening room resonances, effect of listening room reflections are simply a loosing proposition against an electrostatic driver free from room effects...

 

 

 

You might be right in regards to buying new speakers at MSRP. But I found Quad ESL-63s for $700. I need to work on them, but they'll be significantly less than these headphones. Also built some DIY ProAc Response 2.5 clones for $1,000 or so. I like them better than most headphones. They have a nice, tight low end.

Speakers might not be an option for the OP, but you can get considerable value for $1,000. I'd spend $1,000 for a used Magnepan 1.6 over headphones any day.

Further, I spent about $3,000 for the drivers, crossover parts and amplifiers (two Adcom GFA-2535s) for a Linkwitz Orion3. Probably need to spend another $1,000-$1,500 to complete them. I'll take those over any headphones at any price.

Headphone manufacturers have priced themselves into speaker territory. Something like a Sennheiser HD-600 remains an excellent value, but the $1,000+ headphones can have their lunch eaten by speakers.
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post #40 of 151
4/4/11 at 12:44am
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Yeah right wink.gif. I don't agree with you about the speakers things, especially not in the 1k range! Well, unless your measure of sound quality limits itself to chest thump with ultra bass and sharpness of the cymbals. Conventional electrodynamic speakers with multiple non-collocated drivers, mismatch of paper and metal cones depending the frequency range, use of complex passive filters, presence of cabinet resonances, effect of cabinet diffraction, effect of listening room resonances, effect of listening room reflections are simply a loosing proposition against an electrostatic driver free from room effects...

 

 

 

You might be right in regards to buying new speakers at MSRP. But I found Quad ESL-63s for $700. I need to work on them, but they'll be significantly less than these headphones. Also built some DIY ProAc Response 2.5 clones for $1,000 or so. I like them better than most headphones. They have a nice, tight low end.

Speakers might not be an option for the OP, but you can get considerable value for $1,000. I'd spend $1,000 for a used Magnepan 1.6 over headphones any day.

Further, I spent about $3,000 for the drivers, crossover parts and amplifiers (two Adcom GFA-2535s) for a Linkwitz Orion3. Probably need to spend another $1,000-$1,500 to complete them. I'll take those over any headphones at any price.

Headphone manufacturers have priced themselves into speaker territory. Something like a Sennheiser HD-600 remains an excellent value, but the $1,000+ headphones can have their lunch eaten by speakers.

I suppose that's also subjective. I've heard a great Magneplaner setup and I think I'd still take headphones over speakers. I prefer the presentation. But that's just my opinion,
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post #41 of 151
4/4/11 at 3:39am
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Yeah right wink.gif. I don't agree with you about the speakers things, especially not in the 1k range! Well, unless your measure of sound quality limits itself to chest thump with ultra bass and sharpness of the cymbals. Conventional electrodynamic speakers with multiple non-collocated drivers, mismatch of paper and metal cones depending the frequency range, use of complex passive filters, presence of cabinet resonances, effect of cabinet diffraction, effect of listening room resonances, effect of listening room reflections are simply a loosing proposition against an electrostatic driver free from room effects...

 

 

 

You might be right in regards to buying new speakers at MSRP. But I found Quad ESL-63s for $700. I need to work on them, but they'll be significantly less than these headphones. Also built some DIY ProAc Response 2.5 clones for $1,000 or so. I like them better than most headphones. They have a nice, tight low end.

Speakers might not be an option for the OP, but you can get considerable value for $1,000. I'd spend $1,000 for a used Magnepan 1.6 over headphones any day.

Further, I spent about $3,000 for the drivers, crossover parts and amplifiers (two Adcom GFA-2535s) for a Linkwitz Orion3. Probably need to spend another $1,000-$1,500 to complete them. I'll take those over any headphones at any price.

Headphone manufacturers have priced themselves into speaker territory. Something like a Sennheiser HD-600 remains an excellent value, but the $1,000+ headphones can have their lunch eaten by speakers.

Humm, on the one hand, you have a point that a well driven esl-63 or magneplanar can do wonders and probably be snatched for not so much on the used market. But well, you should see the size of my living room, a pair of esl ain't gonna fit in there... These panels don't suffer from many of the issues I raised except for the interaction with the room. You need so much breathing space behind and next to these already large transducers that it's basically impractical for most anyone living in small appartment.
As for your diy or loudspeakers, I also agree you can make significant saving from retail, but not everyone can handle such projects.
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post #42 of 151
4/4/11 at 8:10am
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Don't count on it.  That's what people said about the HD800 too, to which I had responded if anything it will go up, which it has.

Again, I will say the same thing here.  With the SR-009, if anything it will go up in price eventually.

That's what happens when the dollar keeps falling.



correct me if i am wrong but the price of hd800 has decreased. it was at 1.4k at the release and now you can find for less than 1k.



HD800 never managed to impress me , too much emphasis on the mid highs , almost like it was done deliberately to impress people with this 'perceived ' clarity

 

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post #43 of 151
4/4/11 at 9:28am
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Gentlemen.... i've pulled the trigger. Once i've obtained them , i will do a comparsion and post my impression. It won't be a lenghty one as its beyond my ability to write essay long reviews on audio stuff

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post #44 of 151
4/4/11 at 10:49am

We'll see. The SR-009 is announced for a mid-April release, and the guy who sold it on ebay looks credible so far, so it shouldn't be more than 2-3 weeks. Had good experiences so far with shipping from Japan. I'll be able to run comparisons of the SR-009 against O2MK1 and HE60 on the BHSE as well as on the 007t - although the race will almost certainly be decided on the BHSE. According to 2nd hand rumours, the SR-009 has been heard on the BHSE and is said to sound great - proving that there ain't such a thing as too much power L3000.gif  My guess is that there will be things it does better than the O2, things it doesn't, and at the end some things will be listened to on the 009, others on the O2, others on the LCD-2, and so forth...

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post #45 of 151
4/4/11 at 2:20pm
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......... But I found Quad ESL-63s for $700. .......



the $4500 SR-009 is currently available from multiple sources, while the sub-$1k ESL's are.....where do I find them? biggrin.gif

 

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