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post #61 of 165

It seems the peak is at 9kHz which is very easily fatiguing frequency, I'd say with a reduction of ~7dB would probably make it a lot more balanced and free from sibilance.

 

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Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 4/4/11 at 10:37pm
post #62 of 165
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For me, it actually fades out around 14khz. But as I said, one's ability to hear high frequencies has absolutely nothing to do with sensitivity to treble. Besides, 14khz is well above the threshold of cymbals and other high pitches in music.

 

I find it baffling that the same person who said the 840s' treble is too harsh is now looking into Grados. If I were you, I would get the TMA-1s, like loremipsum said, or the HD25s, which have a rolled-off treble.

 

bcasey25raptor, just for your information, you first said 1800khz or 1.8mhz, which would mean you can hear radio signals, then corrected it to 1800hz or 1.8khz, which is about the highest note on a piano, meaning you would be totally unable to hear cymbals. I don't mean to be nit-picky, but precision is kind of important when it comes to audio.


 

Maybe it's your EQ that's causing the problem. Do you boost the treble on your computer or M-box as well?


yes like i said i don't know much about audio science. i actually have hearing up until 18khz which i already corrected. the m box wasn't mine i got to use it at a media arts college on a mac. the mbox since it wasnt my computer i was stuck with youtube audio which is a bad comparison. but to me it sounded better then my ipod even though it was youtube. i only turn the treble on on my ipods. as i feel it makes guitars and rock more lively. my computer is usually just flat all the time.

 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

It seems the peak is at 9kHz which is very easily fatiguing frequency, I'd say with a reduction of ~7dB would probably make it a lot more balanced and free from sibilance.

 

graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=913



my eq has a 8khz option but no 9khz. can i get the same affect if i subtract from 8khz.

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my eq has a 8khz option but no 9khz. can i get the same affect if i subtract from 8khz.


Yes it will help definitely, almost as good as if it was actually 9kHz unless the EQ is very weirdly coded. ^^

 

At 16kHz or whatever the last slider is at I would probably try raise it a little based on the graph and comparing to other headphones.

 


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 4/4/11 at 10:59pm
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Yes it will help definitely, almost as good as if it was actually 9kHz unless the EQ is very weirdly coded. ^^

 

At 16kHz I would probably try raise it a little based on the graph.

 



ok thank you very much

 

post #66 of 165
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Yes it will help definitely, almost as good as if it was actually 9kHz unless the EQ is very weirdly coded. ^^

 

At 16kHz or whatever the last slider is at I would probably try raise it a little based on the graph and comparing to other headphones.

 

i just tried this and it made a world of a difference. thank you so much.
 

 

post #67 of 165
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correct me if im wrong but the grado's look more flat then the shure's.

 

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post #68 of 165

I think SR60 may be among the least trebleheavy Grado's around, I'd still concider it being slightly on the brighter side of neutral though. It definitely looks flatter but response's graphs can't be trusted 100%, especially basing on one graph/test only. It also doesn't show wheter the sound signature is like forward or laid-back or something in the middle (neutral) and the Grado's are concidered very forward sounding, probably much more so than SRH840.  

 

Also personally I probably wouldn't concider a perfectly flat line around 0dB sounding perfectly neutral for headphones either then the highs would probably stick out too much, a gently slanting slope would sound in my ears a little more neutral but that's a whole topic of discussion which I won't start discuss here. People's hearing and definition of what's really neutral sound varies slightly as well.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 4/5/11 at 2:36am
post #69 of 165

Treble peaks in the 6-10k range are definitely annoying with cheap gear (and the OP has only iPods and a Toshiba laptop). There isn't much above that in music which we hear. A lot of modern music is tuned to be very bright as well.  When I tried the Shures, I was using an amp, so they sounded good to me.  When Tyll tested the Shures (they have very good measurements, which he provides to HeadRoom) he was using a high-end amp and DAC.  Most of what we end up feeling is good or bad about headphones has to do with their tonality (frequency response) and how it relates to the music we like.

 

If you want to learn about frequency response and what you hear, I suggest playing around with an EQ while listening, paying attention to which band you are altering. It can be very educational.

 

My $0.02 and all that. smile.gif

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If you want to learn about frequency response and what you hear, I suggest playing around with an EQ while listening, paying attention to which band you are altering. It can be very educational.


+1 I can definitely relate to this, if I wasn't such an EQ freak even before I joined head-fi or got into headphones I wouldn't know as much as I do today. Whatever device I get must have an EQ and preferably a very good quality one as the sound quality will vary A LOT between a good and bad one.

 


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 4/5/11 at 2:57am
post #71 of 165

BCasey

I promised I'd get back to you once my SRH840's arrived - and how well they paired with my E7 .... so here goes.

 

First up - I haven't spotted any sibilance at all.  The only harshness I've noticed so far is on a couple of (IMO) poorly mastered rock tracks from a NZ band called the Feelers.  I love their music, and the FLACs I have were ripped by me straight from the CD.  The couple of songs it happens with are a little harsh with the Shures at higher volumes - but the same happens with my Senns and also my AD700's - so it's the tracks themselves.

 

I also tried the youtube vid you posted.  It's nice and smooth - both through the E7 and also just via my PC sound card (E7 sounds better though wink_face.gif ).

 

OK - my impressions of the SRH 840 with the E7 (LOD from Touch 4G, or UDAC from PC)

[1] Soul / Jazz - sounds incredible.  I listen to a lot of female vocals, and this combo is great.  Currently listening to a lot of Norah Jones, Katie Melua, Diana Krall, and Adele.  The mids are just wonderful IMO.  Nice clean bass too - which doesn't get in the way at all.  My only criticism would be a slight treble roll-off (might just be my older ears) - sometimes I think they could use just a little more sparkle.

[2] Alternative Rock - Alter Bridge, Seether - bass is tight and punchy.  Electric guitar sounds wonderful.  Vocals are clear.  Separation of instruments (even on faster songs) is pretty good.  Very enjoyable.

[3] Classical - Tchaikovsky's Overture to the Nutcracker - light and airy.  Very clear, but unfortunately lacking in sound stage.  Here's where my AD700's shine.  Still enjoyable though.

[4] Pop - my daughter's Lady Gaga CD (cringe) - Poker Face - clear and sounds pretty accurate.  Base is punchy but not bloated.  And once again, even though the bass is very present, it doesn't overpower or bleed into the vocals.  Snow Patrol (Chasing Cars) is engaging, and you just get lost in the vocals.

[5] Acoustic - Clapton Unplugged / Nils Lofgren Acoustic Live - pure audio heaven.  Instrument separation is great, the clarity is amazing (every slide on the fretboard audible)

 

The more I listen to these, I realise what great all rounders they are for the price.

 

BCasey - I'm sorry yours didn't work out for you.  Like others have suggested in other threads, maybe get to a head-fi meet if you get the chance and audition some other cans.  I think maybe the Shure sound signature is not for you.  FWIW, I auditioned some HD650's when I was in NY - and they were very enjoyable - just wish I could have afforded them (will have to save - I definitely have the bug).

 

I'd also suggest (again from another thread) that you go see an audiologist, take your portable set-up with you, and let the audiologist listen to the volume you are currently using for your music.  Tinnitus is often a sign of damage from too much volume.  You shouldn't have it at your age.  I am a lot older, and I have permanent tinnitus.  I now wish I'd taken more care of my hearing when I was younger.

 

Good luck with you hunt anyway.

post #72 of 165

This is not an informative test, youtube 360p audio is EXTREMELY compressed, which means very low and very high frequencies are lost in distortions.
 

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i did this test and i could hear up to 18 khz. so to answer your question apparently i am not deaf. as that is higher then the average.

you should all try this test.

 

 

 



 

post #73 of 165

I'm not an expert so I may be wrong about this, but just for fun I decided to look at the audio behind this video because it was very suspicious. Not only is it only 84kbps, but the audio actually starts getting softer around the 4:43 mark until at the 4:57.5 mark (18khz according the video) there is no audio playing for the rest of the video.

 

Youtube is very compressed, do not use it as a reference. For a real test download audacity and generate the tones yourself, I was able to hear up to 20khz but didn't feel like trying anything higher.

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This is not an informative test, youtube 360p audio is EXTREMELY compressed, which means very low and very high frequencies are lost in distortions.
 



 



 

post #74 of 165
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for those wondering the you tube link was bad. so i downloaded this program and tested it.

 

http://www.world-voices.com/software/nchtone.html

 

i put the frequency to 18000hz and i could still hear it. does this mean i have good hearing. if so i would be amazed because i listen to my music really loud. and to touch up on tinnitus. apparently i don't have it its just the static from my computer coming through my headphones.

post #75 of 165

here's another link for testing your hearing:

 

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/can-you-hear-this-hearing-test/

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