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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hi all,

 

I've got an HP laptop and ATH-M50s/HD555. Right now I just plug them into the headphone jack. With Flac files it doesnt sound bad, but there is some jitter. It gets a lot worse when my computer starts doing some intensive tasks.

 

In the Head Gear section there are some usb sound cards listed. What should I expect from these?

 

Also are cheap (usb) sound cards good enough to completely eliminate the jitter?  (around 10-20$)

 

If so are there any features I should keep an eye out for when buying one?

 

Regards

post #2 of 12

You probably meant noise, not jitter. This noise is caused by the on-board circuitry picking up interference from other components inside the computer (usually fans and hard drives).

 

It's hard to say if a USB DAC/Amp can completely eliminate the background noise, it depends on how clean is your USB power, how high is the gain used in the headphone amp, and on your headphones impedance and sensitivity.

Your headphones have low impedance and are easy to drive, so you should prefer low gain devices (that translates to less volume knob range to spare).

 

I'm using the Behringer UCA202 (~$35) with the HD555 and it works great (zero noise, great sound), but I can't guarantee it will work well with the M50 because it (the Behringer) has a rather high output impedance (~50ohm), and that may cause significant freq. response variations on some headphones.

post #3 of 12

I had good results in eliminating the computer noise with http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/sound-cards/audio-advantage-micro-ii.aspx

and it was just over $20. It works well with all of my headphones.

post #4 of 12
onboard jitter (Noise) is caused not only by fans and hard drives, but by improperly grounding the circuitry. In my dell, there has been this persistant high pitched whining noise. After much research and hassle and getting everything in the laptop replaced, i realized that the most obvious solution was the correct one: wrap the entire sound board in duct tape. I literally pulled it out, wrapped it up in masking tape (duct tape or electrical tape would be much better. I have electrical tape around it now), and shoved it back in. I was careful to try to isolate the screw too. This essentially created its own mini ground hooked into a "resistor" so to speak. What was happening was that electricity was forcing its way up the ground circuit and causing feedback. THis fix completely eliminated the problem.
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the suggestions.

 

I looked into the two sound cards, the Behringer looks a bit better suited for my purposes. I have plans to do some recording soon, so the Behringer UCA202 may come in handy there. I didnt even know these kind of products existed in this price range. On amazon there are a bunch of different UCA202 listed for diff. prices though...kinda weird. 

 

About opening up my computer... it sounds risky since I cant directly get to my sound card. I'd have to completely open up the whole thing. I think I'm gona go with spending 30 bucks rather than risk destroying my computer.

 

also some extra info:

My headphones have 38 ohm impedance, and a 99dB sensitivity. 

I also use Linux a lot so a soundcard compatible with that system would be great. 

Other suggestions are still welcome. Thanks for the input so far.

 

 

post #6 of 12

With some sound cards or DACs that are powered purely by USB, the noise level is affected by the USB port.

 

A friend mine had a Creative X-Fi USB plugged into the front of his computer. The noise floor was audibly high when I listened to it. My friend described it as sounding kind of dull. I reasoned that the front USB port was the problem because on the inside it's hooked up to the motherboard via unshielded wires. So it's pretty much like an antenna that picks up EM noise from all the other computer parts inside the case. I unplugged the X-Fi and connected it to the back of his PC instead, and there was a big improvement.

 

 

ps You can try getting the Fiio E5 headphone amp if your soundcard's output impedance is too high. It's very cheap (~ $20) and has a low output impedance. You would hook it up like this: PC -> USB sound card -> E5 -> headphones.

 

post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

I read the review of the UCA 202 on NwAvGuy's forum. It is very comprehensive. He also said that the Behringer's audio quality suffers a bit when driving low impedance headphones like mine.

 

Sadly it looks like Yoga Flame is right, usb powered sound cards are always going to have some noise, so I guess I will adjust my expectations. 

 

I also did a few head-fi, google, ebay, and amazon searches. All of them came up with basically the same external sound cards under 50$. I didnt find any that had external powersupplies and were reliable enough for me to spend my money on. Most of them were usb powered. 

 

Seeing as my headphone jack is also now dying on me (left headphone goes mute sometimes), I think I'll try out the UCA202 and maybe later buy a E5 if I really need more power. 

 

Just want to thank everyone for their input, it helped clarify a lot and clarified my options.   

 

 

 

 

post #8 of 12
Now, you say "USB Powered". Does this mean that if we test a sound card that uses an external power source that it would not have noise? what if we used the data in/out lines but grounded the usb power?
post #9 of 12

It depends on what kind of power supply used. A switch mode power supply used for most computer devices is cheap and compact, but also noisy. Replace that with a linear regulated power supply if you can. USB power is almost always switch mode. Even a laptop running on battery can have noisy power depending on how the battery voltage gets converted for USB.

 

Some USB DACs have good noise filtering built in. Ferrite beads and pulse transformers can be used for this. Lately there's also the ADuM4160 chip that galvanically isolates the USB data signal. You can buy a USB Isolator kit or something similar that incorporates this. ¹

 

Still, even with their limitations, USB DACs are usually much quieter than onboard PC sound or the typical sound cards. Just use the port on the back of the computer instead of the front.

 
 
 
¹ If you get this USB Isolator, I suggest bypassing the onboard power regulator and using your own 5V linear regulated supply. The onboard chip is a switching one.
 

Edited by Yoga Flame - 3/28/11 at 9:28pm
post #10 of 12
I was planning on building the Gamma 1, and eventually the Gamma 2 DAC. From what I saw, it uses ferrite beads in its construction, presumably to reduce noise.
post #11 of 12

I bought a cheap Terratec Aureon Dual USB (20€) to get rid of the noise and it works like a charm.

Of course it doesn't sound the same as the Xonar card on my desktop but it's fine for what I do with my laptop. Using ASIO4ALL in foobar2000 it sounds pretty good, but DS sounds a bit weird (I'm on XP), maybe the mixer is doing some dirty resampling because it sees the card as being capable of handling 48hz (but my music is only 44.1/16bit)

 

Volume level is good and there is not the slightest noise or anything, even though the PSU on my laptop sometimes makes horrid sounds. Mic entry is fine too (and loud enough)

 

Does not require drivers and works on Mac/Linux/Windows etc


Edited by kalston - 3/30/11 at 6:20am
post #12 of 12
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoga Flame View Post

 

Just use the port on the back of the computer instead of the front.

 


Couldn't agree more. USB ports in the front are always prone to give issues, not only for audio (even if audio is more sensible). For laptops, external DACs, be it USB, Firewire, etc, are a perfect solution for noise issues, and for overall significant SQ improvements.

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