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Originally Posted by DjAmTraX View Post

That really sucks. I love the handsome looks of the SLI-80.

I saw that you listed yours on AG. Looks like a good deal.


Now somebody at Cary has stated the opposite.  I'm getting tired of it and selling it anyway.  It is an awesome deal.

 

"The headphone jack of the SLI-80 does go through the whole tube circuit and are tapped off of the transformer outputs.  After the transformers the signal passes through the headphone switch and then a couple of load resistors, then to the headphone jack."

 

I was asked not to quote the person directly so I won't....confused.gif


Edited by warp08 - 4/13/11 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by DjAmTraX View Post

According to Dan at Cary Audio.

 

"Yes absolutely the Exciter amp is better for headphones!  The SLI-80 does have a passive headphone output and does not run the signal through the tubes.  The Exciter amp produces a fantastic tube sound that is very detailed yet warm and smooth".



 

This Statement about the SLI80 is incorrect. The headphone jack of the SLI-80 does go through the whole tube circuit and are tapped off of the transformer outputs. You get the same signal a speaker gets just with s voltage drop. After the transformers the signal passes through the headphone switch and then a couple of load resistors, then to the headphone jack. This works the same on the 300SEI. and Xciter Amp. The CAD 300SEI is the warmest of the bunch with incredible musicality. The Xciter is the most Neutral of the bunch and auto biass's the power tubes and thus is very flexible to tailor the sound to your phones. The SLI80 is a little warmer than the Xciter but not as Warm and Lush as the 300SEI. But has tons of Balls and will truly rock out a set of cans. Great for classic rock or Techno etc. The SLI80 is a little more difficult to tube roll because there are so many tubes and variables to each. But the EATs are definitely the way to go. I use Sylvania Chrome dome 6SN7 and RCA short bottle 5U4. The CAD300SEI is my favorite of the bunch. I am on my 3rd that has been really tweaked out.

Transformer Covers & chassis painted Jaguar Blue with high gloss Clear Coat finish

Cardas Golden Coupling Caps

Audio One Paper in Oil Snubber Caps

Moon Audio Black Dragon wiring

Direct Coupled

DACT attenuator

Gray Hill Selector

Cardas RCA & Binding posts

Subwoofer Output option

Black Diamond Racing cones

Acme Silver Plated Fuse Holder

 

Me Like:)

 

Thank You. Drew Baird, P.E. Moon Audio 308 Chrismill Lane Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-649-5018 drew@moon-audio.com http://www.moon-audio.com Moon...

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post #33 of 229
I love the sound from my Cary 805 (300b tube) and I am seeking a headphones rig that will deliver the same sweet sound without being too slow. Which of the three would you say is best for me? I don't like the looks of the Xciter, but if it's the best for headphones and designed for HP, I may overlook the looks. I just hate to spend that much money and then find out the headphones feature was an afterthought in design.
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Both the CAD 300SEI and more so with the Xciter where designed with headphones in mind. I actually talked Dennis into doing the Xciter and the addition of the binding posts was because there was plenty of power from the design to power a small set of Book Shelf Speakers. I have owned 3 CAD 300SEI's and always come back to one as my reference amp. It is the sound I like the best. But we all have our taste pallets. I always take my 300SEI to Headfi National meets so you would have the opportunity to hear it there.

Thank You. Drew Baird, P.E. Moon Audio 308 Chrismill Lane Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-649-5018 drew@moon-audio.com http://www.moon-audio.com Moon...

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post #35 of 229
drew what do you think about unmodded cad300sei is it fast enouh for fast pace music ?
post #36 of 229
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Originally Posted by DjAmTraX View Post

I love the sound from my Cary 805 (300b tube) and I am seeking a headphones rig that will deliver the same sweet sound without being too slow. Which of the three would you say is best for me? I don't like the looks of the Xciter, but if it's the best for headphones and designed for HP, I may overlook the looks. I just hate to spend that much money and then find out the headphones feature was an afterthought in design.


I listened to the Exciter once briefly and was not overly impressed.   Perhaps because I expect that lush, musical sound signature from any tube amp Drew associated with the top-of-the-line CAD300SEI.  The tweaked out SLI80 I have has a similar sound signature, but I would expect the CAD300SEI to outperform it, but at a significant price premium even without all those upgrades Drew pimped his out.

 

I have never heard the 805, but as a general statement, small incremental upgrades rarely yield substantial, jaw-dropping benefits.  I would go for the most expensive unit you can afford--something I have not always done and ended up regretting it at every time after the fact-- and you will be happier a lot longer before upgraditis strucks you.

 

Just my 2 cents.  Drew is the guy when it comes to Carys, he has excellent relationships with them and lives down the road from the factory, I believe, which also helps.

post #37 of 229
Drew, I'm not so into mods so does the 300SEI sound bests in stock form between the three?
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Originally Posted by DjAmTraX View Post

Drew, I'm not so into mods so does the 300SEI sound bests in stock form between the three?



Mods, are not the correct term. My amp, as well as ones I have taken to Head-Fi meets, are Signature Editions I have worked with Cary to develop. These are built from scratch with these parts. You can get 1 upgrade or all of them or none at all. The 300SEI is wonderful in stock form. I'm just a junky and pimp out most of my gear:)

 

Thank You. Drew Baird, P.E. Moon Audio 308 Chrismill Lane Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-649-5018 drew@moon-audio.com http://www.moon-audio.com Moon...

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post #39 of 229

 

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drew what do you think about unmodded cad300sei is it fast enouh for fast pace music ?



As in Techno? Which I do listen to, besides allot of Jazz, and is the reason I chose the EAT tube and sylvania chrome dome tube. With the stock or say Western Electric tube, then no. As most 300Bs are very lush and laid back. But the Xciter is probably better for Techno and such or even the SLI80. But I have no complaints with the speed of a 300B. Once again preference comes into play.

 

Thank You. Drew Baird, P.E. Moon Audio 308 Chrismill Lane Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-649-5018 drew@moon-audio.com http://www.moon-audio.com Moon...

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post #40 of 229
Thread Starter 

This should end the discussion: 

 

 

(email from Cary Audio)
 
The headphone out of the SLI-80 due go through the whole tube circuit and are tapped off of the transformer outputs.  After the transformers the signal passes through the headphone switch and then a couple of resistors, then to the headphone jack.
 
I may have answered someone incorrectly lately which may be the problem.  I was thinking about the wiring of the subwoofer outs which are passive.  Sorry if I caused the confusion!
 
Let me know if you have any questions.
 
(from follow-up email:
The sub outputs are full range outputs and can be used as passive pre outputs or used to drive powered subwoofers.)
 
Dan
Service/QC Manager
CARY AUDIO DESIGN

Edited by ardilla - 4/27/11 at 9:32am
post #41 of 229
Thread Starter 

warp08 -> Too bad me starting this thread should result in you selling it off :(

 

As you see from my cited email - the same guy who answered your email answered mine - and he says that he have been answering someone incorrectly. 

 

So - we've have gotten straight to the source. It was all a misunderstaning.

 

HEADPHONES USES ALL TUBES 

 

Hope you change your mind warp08, and keeps posting on this thread. 

 

 

Anyway, please share your experiences with tube swapping and headphone matching! 

 

 

I really love this amp beyersmile.png


 

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Now somebody at Cary has stated the opposite.  I'm getting tired of it and selling it anyway.  It is an awesome deal.

 

post #42 of 229
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Originally Posted by ardilla View Post

warp08 -> Too bad me starting this thread should result in you selling it off :(

 

As you see from my cited email - the same guy who answered your email answered mine - and he says that he have been answering someone incorrectly. 

 

So - we've have gotten straight to the source. It was all a misunderstaning.

 

HEADPHONES USES ALL TUBES 

 

Hope you change your mind warp08, and keeps posting on this thread. 

 

 

Anyway, please share your experiences with tube swapping and headphone matching! 

 

 

I really love this amp beyersmile.png


 


I'm on the fence right now about it. I really loved this amp.  I guess now my only reason would be to sell it is that when my Apache--also for sale--is gone as a result of focusing my resources to mostly electrostatic setup, I really can't justify two dynamic headphone amps, especially now with the Sony Qualias and MDR-R10s gone, and the Ultrasone Edition 10s about to be sold.

 

I'm afraid I can't really post gap impressions between stock and the EAT tube upgrades on mine because I was so excited when they came in together that I didn't even want to take the time messing with the stock tubes, but wanted to start the burn-in right now with the EATs and the Chrome dome Sylvania 6SN7/Cool Valve upgrades.  I do still love the sound and it is the amp to get if your into that type of sound signature.

 

post #43 of 229

 

I have an SLI-80 sig F1.  I had a Woo WA5 a while back but couldn't make it work for me with speakers, so I sold it and replaced with an SLI-80 primarily for speakers and a WA22 for headphones.   I wasn't sure about the headphone out on the Cary, but turns out it doesn't lose much to the WA5 or the WA22 - it's an excellent head amp also.  Loses a notch in dymanics to the WA5, but gains a little in the mid-range.  

 

It took some tube and speaker rolling but I now absolutely love it with speakers.  When I first got it, it seemed a little boring but have now found the right tube / speaker combination and I am absolutely thrilled.  Mid-range magic without giving up detail, bass, or dynamics!

 

I am using Gold Lion KT-88s, Tung Sol 5u4g (coke bottle), Sylvania bad boys (3 hole), and Amperex gold pin, white label PQs with Proac Studio 140's.  Also just a tiny bit of EQ in Pure music / Voxengo Marvel GEQ boosting both ends (just a touch!).  I use the triode mode with the 4 ohm taps.  The 4 ohm taps seem to provide slightly improved bass with these speakers.


Edited by davo50 - 4/29/11 at 8:32am
post #44 of 229

I could not agree more. The Tubes I use are EAT KT88 and EAT 6922, Sylvania Chrome Dome green label 6SN7GTB, and either Sylvania 5U4G (coke bottle) or red label RCA RU4GB.

If you cant fund the EAT use Gold Lion KT88 and Mullard or Amperex 6922  6922 666

 

Thank You. Drew Baird, P.E. Moon Audio 308 Chrismill Lane Holly Springs, NC 27540 919-649-5018 drew@moon-audio.com http://www.moon-audio.com Moon...

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post #45 of 229
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I could not agree more. The Tubes I use are EAT KT88 and EAT 6922, Sylvania Chrome Dome green label 6SN7GTB, and either Sylvania 5U4G (coke bottle) or red label RCA RU4GB.

If you cant fund the EAT use Gold Lion KT88 and Mullard or Amperex 6922  6922 666

 


Don't know if I will ever afford the EAT KT88's, but maybe the EAT 6922s.  In your opinion, are they significantly better than the Amperex?  I know when I rolled in the Amperex, the amp made a huge jump in high end extension and dynamics but if EAT's are better, might could swing that.

 

PS - Really enjoying my Silver Dragon cable!

 

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