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post #16 of 45

Waiting sucks tho. I'm pretty much set on the Lyr, a dac option is what is making me wait a bit longer. I don't know much about the WA3, and I'm just guessing since its OTL tube amp it will not be the best choice for my other headphones like the d7000 or Pro 900. Lyr seems like the best option for my assortment of phones and is a bit more future proof, if i decide to get a decently priced ortho down the road.

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I have some Beyerdynamic DT990 600 ohm and have done quite a bit of research, too. It seems that the Beyers, being high impedance, mate well with OTL type amplifiers. For an amp the Woo Audio WA3 gets great reviews with Beyers, and the Schiit Lyr seems to be alright. I'm in the same situation, using a PC as a source, most likely through USB, and a source that has gotten wonderful reviews is the HRT Music Streamer II+. It is a bit cheaper than the DACMagic, and for USB is said to surpass it in quality. I realise that you have already purchased items, but if they don't seem to work out, there are always other options!

I wish I had gotten to this thread sooner. :/

Either way, let me know how it is!

Cheers,
Dan


 

I looked at both amps and they both look interesting. The problem is they are made an sold in the US only with no distributors in the UK/ EU AFAIK and buying such big items and sending them to the UK would cost a lot, not to mention customs, which would make these cost more than better amps bought in the UK.

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Waiting sucks tho. I'm pretty much set on the Lyr, a dac option is what is making me wait a bit longer. I don't know much about the WA3, and I'm just guessing since its OTL tube amp it will not be the best choice for my other headphones like the d7000 or Pro 900. Lyr seems like the best option for my assortment of phones and is a bit more future proof, if i decide to get a decently priced ortho down the road.



Hmmm, Lyr with a DAC would be nice. 

 

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Edited by Szadzik - 3/30/11 at 12:25am
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I keep researching the subject and saw the Musical Fidelity M1 HPA and M1 DAC combo. It is very similar in price and I was wondering if anyone has tried to compare with the 1-box HA-160D

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So I just contacted two retailers 'selling' HA-160D and they have no stock. HA-160D is simply unavailable in the UK.

 

I am searching for something again. I am still thinking about M1HPA/DAC combo or maybe a Graham Slee Solo Ultra Linear or Lehmann Black Cube Linear. 

 

I am looking for something with high current output as I am using inefficient Beyerdynamic T5ps.

post #22 of 45
Woo Audio 6? It is like the WA3, but transformer coupled so all impedances are fine and dandy with it. Then you can have your DAC of choice?
post #23 of 45
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Woo Audio 6? It is like the WA3, but transformer coupled so all impedances are fine and dandy with it. Then you can have your DAC of choice?


I thought about it and it was the first website I went to. I am not too much into tubes though. I prefer SS amps for the simplicity of use etc. 

 

I thought about Schiit Lyr though - do you think it would be on par with Burson HA-160/ 160D performance-wise?

 

I see it has a lot of power and that would be great for my current-hungry phones. Shipping and customs would of course mean that even though these two amps are much cheaper than the Burson I would pay the same price for them as for HA-160.

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I thought about it and it was the first website I went to. I am not too much into tubes though. I prefer SS amps for the simplicity of use etc. 

 

I thought about Schiit Lyr though - do you think it would be on par with Burson HA-160/ 160D performance-wise?

 

I see it has a lot of power and that would be great for my current-hungry phones. Shipping and customs would of course mean that even though these two amps are much cheaper than the Burson I would pay the same price for them as for HA-160.


Have you used tubes before? Imo...tube maintenance requires some extra money/time, i think you better stick with SS. Have you contacted burson to know if they have stock in europe? 

 

 

 

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Have you used tubes before? Imo...tube maintenance requires some extra money/time, i think you better stick with SS. Have you contacted burson to know if they have stock in europe? 



 

 

That extra maintenance and money is what I am trying to avoid - thus I would prefer an SS amp.

 

I talked to a few more retailers in the UK and it seems I can get HA-160 or HA-160D. Question is, whether I should buy separate and and amp (thought about rDAC, DACMagic, etc.) or just go for HA-160D - the more expensive option.

post #26 of 45

The amp on the 160D its an improved version of the HA160. If you go the 160D route, you'll save space. I've heard the Pico DAC could be an option, in case you go for the HA160.

post #27 of 45
The one thing I like about having a separate amp and DAC is the ability it gives to tune the sound to your liking. With the 160D, if you get it and don't like it for some reason, how would you know whether it is the DAC or amp that you don't like? Separating the amp and the DAC gives greater flexibility for sound tuning, and makes upgrading easier.

I don't the maintenance would be too bad. Tubes last for 3,000-5,000 hours, so you would need a LONG time until that needed to be dealt with. smily_headphones1.gif

Cheers,
Dan
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The amp on the 160D its an improved version of the HA160. If you go the 160D route, you'll save space. I've heard the Pico DAC could be an option, in case you go for the HA160.



I thought about those improvements too, that is why I am leaning more towards HA-160D. As for a separate DAC i was thinking about rDAC and DACMagic, but there are lots of choices in general in this category. 



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The one thing I like about having a separate amp and DAC is the ability it gives to tune the sound to your liking. With the 160D, if you get it and don't like it for some reason, how would you know whether it is the DAC or amp that you don't like? Separating the amp and the DAC gives greater flexibility for sound tuning, and makes upgrading easier.

I don't the maintenance would be too bad. Tubes last for 3,000-5,000 hours, so you would need a LONG time until that needed to be dealt with. smily_headphones1.gif

Cheers,
Dan


Yes, you are right - separates give you the flexibility of changing each component separately. On the other hand, with separates it is more difficult to find a matchnig pair of an amp and DAC - all-in-one system is tuned to match the components I would expect.

 

Still on the tubes - Schiit Lyr is the only one I consider  - is it on par with the Burson? Is it worth paying around $600-700 for it - that is how much I would have to pay for shipping, taxes and customs.

 

post #29 of 45
An all-in-one system is tuned to match the components, yes. But what about matching the headphones?

Some people like the Lyr, but some don't. I think if you need CRAZY power for your cans, go for the Lyr as it has more power than the 160D. If you don't need the crazy power, the 160D will probably be a better bet. If anything fails, though, the "For Sale" forums here are great! What is this journey without experimenting with different sounds? I have gone through quite a bit of gear, and I'm glad I did. I've gotten to hear a LOT of stuff. smily_headphones1.gif
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An all-in-one system is tuned to match the components, yes. But what about matching the headphones?

Some people like the Lyr, but some don't. I think if you need CRAZY power for your cans, go for the Lyr as it has more power than the 160D. If you don't need the crazy power, the 160D will probably be a better bet. If anything fails, though, the "For Sale" forums here are great! What is this journey without experimenting with different sounds? I have gone through quite a bit of gear, and I'm glad I did. I've gotten to hear a LOT of stuff. smily_headphones1.gif


As for headphone matchiing  - I have been reading reviews of the Burson and it seems that it is one of the most versatile amps, working great with various phones and also it was really recommended to me for my Beyer T5ps and T1s I might get in the future.

 

I am trying to experiment as much as possible. I have a few cans on order and a cheap amp from Fischer Audio and I was hoping to compare all that stuff and see for myself what the differences between equipment are and decide if I can actually appreciate the differences, I am still a starting audio fan, not sure I qualify to be an audiophile.

 

Thanks for the recommendations.

 

As for LYR, yes it gets very different reviews and I think I will just stick to my Burson plan if I can get on in the UK.

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