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Do you know of any good HDMI -> TOSlink/Coax or even Mini Display Port to TOSlink/Coax?
 

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Originally Posted by Maverickmonk View Post


Ah! I didn't even think about that, getting an HDMI -> Toslink or Coax connector! This should work with windows 7 too I presume. The question is: would HDMI audio be any better than USB?


 



 

post #767 of 3320

EVO

 

http://www.m2tech.biz/evo.html

 

And the new EVO PSU

 

http://www.m2tech.biz/evo_supply.html


Edited by Zorlac - 9/12/11 at 6:02pm
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I was a bit surprised to see Schiit recommend using a mobo's SPDIF-out. It was my understanding that, from a "bit-perfect" perspective, using the SPDIF-out on most motherboards would sort of muddy that possibility, given that, to my understanding, the built-in audio processor (e.g. Realtek) on the mobo handled the output of the SPDIF-out, which you're usually trying to bypass when using WASAPI or ASIO. I realize that Schiit is using a fairly advanced SPDIF receiver section, but again wouldn't most SPDIF out put the mobo's audio chip more prominently in the signal path than if you used USB?

 

Also, to echo what someone just posted, it seems like (subjectively) a lot of people are finding the best SQ to come from USB -> SPDIF converters rather than just USB -> DAC directly or SPDIF -> DAC directly. The Stello U3 comes to mind as getting lots of accolades recently, or even something like the Musical Fidelity V-Link. Doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense, but there you have it.

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Originally Posted by leesure View PostActually, it's now 2 USB's and a Thunderbolt port. 

 

Argh! They keep changing angry_face.gif

It's good to see that second USB port though devil_face.gif

 

 

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I'm really not sure I buy into the whole USB>SPDIF converter idea.  How does that remove any potential USB limitations?  

 

Mainly by changing the clock from internal/adaptive to external/asynch, but it doesn't improve all DACs, just the ones with poor or no USB implementation.

 

 

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Originally Posted by internethandle View Post

 

Also, to echo what someone just posted, it seems like (subjectively) a lot of people are finding the best SQ to come from USB -> SPDIF converters rather than just USB -> DAC directly or SPDIF -> DAC directly.


That's my (subjective smile.gif) experience as well.

 

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Originally Posted by grokit View Post
 

 

Mainly by changing the clock from internal/adaptive to external/asynch, but it doesn't improve all DACs, just the ones with poor or no USB implementation.

 

 

So basically there are only two real situations where the USB>SPDIF converter makes any sense.

 

1-You don't have a DAC with USB input, asynchronous or otherwise.

2-You don't want a DAC with USB input, asynchronous or otherwise.

 



 

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

 

Mainly by changing the clock from internal/adaptive to external/asynch, but it doesn't improve all DACs, just the ones with poor or no USB implementation.

 

So basically there are only two real situations where the USB>SPDIF converter makes any sense.

 

1-You don't have a DAC with USB input, asynchronous or otherwise.

2-You don't want a DAC with USB input, asynchronous or otherwise.

 

Not true.


Not all DACs with async USB input performs the same, just like not all USB/SPDIF converters that sports async will work equally well.

 

There are just too many other factors such as the implementation, the clock used, the cleanness of the power and etc.

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

So basically there are only two real situations where the USB>SPDIF converter makes any sense.

 

1-You don't have a DAC with USB input, asynchronous or otherwise.

2-You don't want a DAC with USB input, asynchronous or otherwise.


3-The USB input on your DAC could be improved upon (my situation).

4-You are using your soundcard's spdif output, which could be improved upon.

 

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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

3-The USB input on your DAC could be improved upon (my situation).

4-You are using your soundcard's spdif output, which could be improved upon.

 


Well 3 was meant to fall into 1 but I worded it ambiguously.  

 

So a $300 USB/SPDIF converter is better than a better $300 card w/ better outputs?  I think it's about time to get digital in the sound science forum.  It seems there is way too much taken on faith or misunderstanding about the binary world, myself included.  This is really unacceptable and is either overdue or needs to be rehashed.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Well 3 was meant to fall into 1 but I worded it ambiguously.  

 

So a $300 USB/SPDIF converter is better than a better $300 card w/ better outputs?  I think it's about time to get digital in the sound science forum.  It seems there is way too much taken on faith or misunderstanding about the binary world, myself included.  This is really unacceptable and is either overdue or needs to be rehashed.


I don't know the answer to that, actually I don't even think that's a fair question as there are way too many variables involved. $300 is a lot for a soundcard, but is pretty middle of the road for an external converter.

 

But yeah, if my soundcard sucked I would look into getting an external converter rather than upgrading my soundcard but that's just me.

 

 

It's not a "direct hit" on this subject, but here's a pretty good (imo) current thread on digital audio in the SS forum: 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/571259/hi-rez-another-myth-exploded

 


Edited by grokit - 9/13/11 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by internethandle View Post

I was a bit surprised to see Schiit recommend using a mobo's SPDIF-out. It was my understanding that, from a "bit-perfect" perspective, using the SPDIF-out on most motherboards would sort of muddy that possibility, given that, to my understanding, the built-in audio processor (e.g. Realtek) on the mobo handled the output of the SPDIF-out, which you're usually trying to bypass when using WASAPI or ASIO. I realize that Schiit is using a fairly advanced SPDIF receiver section, but again wouldn't most SPDIF out put the mobo's audio chip more prominently in the signal path than if you used USB?


Where did you see this recommendation?
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

 

It's not a "direct hit" on this subject, but here's a pretty good (imo) current thread on digital audio in the SS forum: 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/571259/hi-rez-another-myth-exploded

 


Yeah, I'm post #3.  wink.gif  I think there needs to be a digital compendium.  Digital is orders of magnitude more complex and varied than Analog yet everyone runs around shouting "It's just 1's and 0's!"  

 


Edited by Anaxilus - 9/13/11 at 11:09am
post #777 of 3320

I think Schiit said their USB module is as good as USB can get. So we can just play safe and get the USB module instead of doing magic :P

 

But those Creative x-Fi (i know are not in the same league) sounds too tempting with optical and 5.1 output :P

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Originally Posted by Butler View Post

Where did you see this recommendation?


"If you have a Windows desktop, most decent sound cards and many motherboards have SPDIF coax or optical." http://schiit.com/schiit-faq/about-bifrost/

 

Even with realtek mobo, shouldn't you still be able to use the out with KS, bypassing any onboard sbd management?
 

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Yeah, I'm post #3.  wink.gif  I think there needs to be a digital compendium.  Digital is orders of magnitude more complex and varied than Analog yet everyone runs around shouting "It's just 1's and 0's!"  

 

 

Analog is just sine waves! :)
 

 

post #779 of 3320
I plan on using the the bifrost as a sound card in itself and doing the optical straight off the opitical from an on board port on the motherboard- anything lost in quality should be negligible and unnoticeable… hopefully.
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Originally Posted by Zorlac View Post

Why not get a really nice USB --> S/PDIF convertor??

 

For example:

 

http://www.audiophilleo.com/


I can attest to the quality of the Audiophilleo1.  I think Currawong has one as well.  I'm running it out of a Vaunix Lab Brick USB hub.

 

I was going from laptop to Cary Xciter DAC USB port prior to getting the AP1.  I find it to be a significant enough upgrade to warrant the cost.  YMMV.

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