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Hope I am not too late. I did the A/Bing over the weekend. Overall the differences were so negligible that, if you said the differences were all in my head, I wouldn't argue with you. So here are my (quite possibly strictly psychological) impressions now that I have more experience with USB vs Optical/Coax:

 

1) Keep in mind that due to how the EMU-1212m works (my optical/coax source), I must lock it at a certain sample rate/bit depth, I chose 96/24, so if its not 96/24, JRiver resamples it on the fly

2) On tracks that are below 96/24, I felt that the USB in native sounded a lil less harsh than the Optical locked at 96/24.

3) On tracks that were at 96/24 exactly, the optical might have sounded a little cleaner.

4) On tracks were above 192/24, I could tell no difference between the downsampled Optical vs native USB 192/24.

 

So, if you have an optical/coax out that is capable of changing between different sample rates (vs something that MUST be locked to a sample rate/bit depth like the EMu), and especially if your optical/coax can do 192/24 and you were limited on funds, DEFINITELY get the Uber Analog upgrade over the USB. In fact, do this anyway. I never heard the Bifrost w/o the Uber stage but from what I've read, its the upgrade that really makes the Bifrost sing. The USB is worth it if it's the only way you have to connect the Bifrost. If optical/coax is an option and you only have the cash to spend on one upgrade, do the Uber! You can  always do the USB upgrade later is you're really curious, its easy as pie to do yourself.


Thanks for that info BruinAnteater. That helps alot. That is most likely what I will order, the Uber w/o usb. My dilema now is that a friend recommended another DAC, the SimAudio Moon 100D. 350 @ MD. Still researching, but leaning towards the Schiit...BTW, I'll be using mostly Macs for source.

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Thanks for that info BruinAnteater. That helps alot. That is most likely what I will order, the Uber w/o usb. My dilema now is that a friend recommended another DAC, the SimAudio Moon 100D. 350 @ MD. Still researching, but leaning towards the Schiit...BTW, I'll be using mostly Macs for source.

The great thing about Schiit products is that they have a 15-Day open return policy. Best thing to do is to try out both DACs if you can. Can your friend let you borrow his SimAudio? If so, they it would be really simply to just order the Schiit and return it if  you like the Sim better.

 

I also found the Bifrost to be awesome right out of the box. I generally don't believe in 'break-in' periods for equipment that doesn't have physical moving parts (ie. I believe that speakers and headphones do 'break-in,' but amps and DACs don't). That's not to say I don't notice changes as I use electronic equipment, but I think what is getting broken in with things like DACs and amps is my brain: the brain is basically learning and acclimating to a new sound signature, so what was once a new and strange new sound, becomes the norm and becomes what the brain expects to hear as 'good sound.'

 

Whether stuff like DACs break in, or whether its my brain thats really getting broken in, the Bifrost sounded awesome right out of the box, as if it was already broken in: I basically fell in love with it on the first listen. So you could probably make a quick evaluation as to what sounds best to you.

 

As far as your source is concerned, do you know what sample rates it can output? If it covers all the bases, then you really only need to concern yourself with the quality of your music files. Ideally, a digital out should just pass 1s and 0s and your DAC should be doing all the work, so your optical out should be just fine! Let me know what you decide to go with and how you like it!

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I saw that deal on the SimAudio 100D too. I know their 300D gets rave reviews but then it is a $2500 dac. But the 100D is interesting at that price.

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I saw that deal on the SimAudio 100D too. I know their 300D gets rave reviews but then it is a $2500 dac. But the 100D is interesting at that price.

Yes very interesting. And the same price as a non-uber, non usb bifrost. Decisions-Decisions. This is tuff. Anyone have any insight they can offer? My setup is imac>dac>speedballed crack>hd650. I will be ordering one or the other by weeks end. Thanks
Edited by jaytee61 - 3/11/14 at 8:47am
post #3320 of 3320
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Yes very interesting. And the same price as a non-uber, non usb bifrost. Decisions-Decisions. This is tuff. Anyone have any insight they can offer? I will be ordering one or the other by weeks end. Thanks

 

wow, the SimAudio 100D can only do 16-bits/48Khz over USB?

no thanks.

 

SimAudio tries to "talk the user" into using S/PDIF or another input instead because they can't deliver high-res USB for audio?

despite many others in the industry (Schiit, Resonessence, CEntrance) having utilized USB so successfully....

hurm.

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