Schiit DACs (Bifrost and Gungnir down, one to go)? The information and anticipation thread. - Page 93

There was no USB cable included with mine, contents of the package were:

- Bifrost

- Power Cable

- Optional Stick-On Feet for the bottom of the Bifrost

So unless Schiit changes their minds, you'll have to provide your own USB cable/RCA cables. The only company I know of that provides a "good" USB cable with its DAC is Nuforce, who have their own "audiophile grade" cable they provide, but otherwise that's not typically included. 

For those of you out there waiting I just got my invoice to pay mere minutes ago. Order number 313. Cant wait!

While trying to diagnose my USB problems (which are currently suspected to be a problem with the Bifrost's USB card and not the Windows drivers), Jason did mention one caveat to watch out for with "audiophile" USB cables.  Some audiophile USB cables do not provide the standard power lines (Jason did not say which audiophile cables are like this).  The Bifrost senses power on the USB cables to enable the USB interface board, so therefore may not work with such cables.

(Unfortunately that was not the source of my problem.)
 

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Originally Posted by internethandle 

 

 

 

There was no USB cable included with mine, contents of the package were:

 

- Bifrost

- Power Cable

- Optional Stick-On Feet for the bottom of the Bifrost

 

So unless Schiit changes their minds, you'll have to provide your own USB cable/RCA cables. The only company I know of that provides a "good" USB cable with its DAC is Nuforce, who have their own "audiophile grade" cable they provide, but otherwise that's not typically included. 

I sold my Mav D1 today and the bifrost is here tomorrow, glad my lyr wont be lonely long   

M

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Originally Posted by redmonddad 

While trying to diagnose my USB problems (which are currently suspected to be a problem with the Bifrost's USB card and not the Windows drivers), Jason did mention one caveat to watch out for with "audiophile" USB cables.  Some audiophile USB cables do not provide the standard power lines (Jason did not say which audiophile cables are like this).  The Bifrost senses power on the USB cables to enable the USB interface board, so therefore may not work with such cables.

 

(Unfortunately that was not the source of my problem.)
 

 

Hm, interesting. I'm guessing he's talking about this sort of cable from Acoustic Revive:

There's kind of a trend going on with USB cables like theirs where they'll separate out the power line and data line in a cable and combine them at the B-bus end. I've also heard of DIY cable guys building ones with the power lines cut/"neutered," though. Otherwise unsure. I'm using a Furutech GT2 USB cable without issue right now with Bifrost - at least in the Furutech there's basically just lots of fancy metals (OCC copper etc.) and insulation materials, but the basic design is the same as any other USB cable. Audiophile USB cables always seem a little suspect to me, and I'm a believer in most other cables - in terms of SQ difference/improvement I've had more luck with USB "isolators" like the Olimex or Circuits@Home builds. The purpose of those, though, is galvanic isolation between the transport (PC/Mac) and DAC, but I think it's already been established by Jason that Bifrost's USB solution is galvanically isolated already. Besides, most of the existing isolators are designed for industrial use and, as far as I know, aren't asynchronous-friendly. 

Anyway, clearly off-topic other than musing on what cables he might mean re: avoiding w/ the Bifrost.

You've promised to ship us asgard and bifrost within two weeks of time, however now it's been more than 20 days since our order was made. We believe this is not appropriate and should be resolved immediately. This is not the service we've expected from a company like yours. What's the point in pre-order with a promise of two weeks? I respect you and your work, but you also understand the users, your apologies only make things worse. It is better to talk about let postural, but still real date of supply.

So you think it's normal? It turns out if others are waiting for years, then we need? Then, if someone threw a train, you also have to do it? It makes no sense at all be equal, we have our own particular case, we're not talking about all the firms involved in audio. For example, I'm the 20 days without the music, even when I will send what I ordered, shipment will go to me another 3 weeks plus to the package may fall under the Christmas boom in the post, it would be a terrible failure. By the way I was told to wait two weeks, and not a year, otherwise I would not write here. This whole subject is too vanilla, I want to hear what makes the developer to solve the problem.

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Originally Posted by Uberzone 

You've promised to ship us asgard and bifrost within two weeks of time, however now it's been more than 20 days since our order was made. We believe this is not appropriate and should be resolved immediately. This is not the service we've expected from a company like yours. What's the point in pre-order with a promise of two weeks? I respect you and your work, but you also understand the users, your apologies only make things worse. It is better to talk about let postural, but still real date of supply.

This is the price you pay for being an 'early adopter' instead of waiting until all the hype passes, initial shipments have gone out, and potential bugs/issues resolved. This happens ALL the time, so deal! 

Uberzone- Some people just don't deserve to have good quality audio. I can't see how you make it through life if you get this wound up over a short delay. By the sounds of your comments you weren't even a pre-order customer in the strict sense. 

Jason has advised the cause of the delays all the way through the Bifrosts release. Not everything in life can be controlled. 

You have a unique approach to what is happening, I would say is wrong, but it is your right. I am not a competitor and not an enemy Jason, I'm just someone who loves music. No need to write nonsense, since the causes of my anxiety, I outlined above. Did not want to get a crazy day at the post office. Have I not had the right to express their opinions, I'm not someone not be offended.

I agree that you have the right to expect timely delivery of a product but isnt Jason also entitled to a direct and confidential right of response first?

I like to know is there any GOOD usb cable include?

As internethandle says, no USB cable included at all.  I'll pass along a recommendation for a good, and at least IMO for the audiophile market, low cost USB cable: the Audioquest Forest, about $30 US in the .75m (2.5 ft) length.

And oh yes, my Bifrost was delivered yesterday!  Burning in, haven't had the chance to really give it a good listen yet in all the respects I want to.  It did seem to me on the basis of *very* brief listening in non-ideal conditions (low volume b/c wife was sleeping, various enviromental noises, sleeping dog taking my listening position on sofa) that I preferred the USB to the optical input from my MacBook Pro (my USB cable is $110, optical cable is about 1/3 or less the price of the USB), and that I preferred a direct connection between the MBP and Bifrost rather than running USB to the Musical Fidelity V-Link, then coax into the Bifrost.