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post #1111 of 3320

Thanks Jason.

 

To those who are suspicious about the lack of reviews, consider this - neither 6Moons nor Headfonia have yet published a review of the BiFrost - that tells me that there simply arent enough units out there. Whatever your opinion of each of these sites, I dont know of anyone else who can get their hands on new (including prototype) kit and publish a review faster than those two. Happy to hear otherwise.

post #1112 of 3320

Awesome news Jason.  Thanks for continuing to keep us all updated.  I am sure that you will be much more relaxed and comfortable once all of these third party supplier issues are all behind you.  

 

I am almost happy that the Statement gear may be pushed back slightly.  Gives me more time to save for it and enjoy my Lyr/Bifrost combo before getting distracted...

 

 

post #1113 of 3320
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Originally Posted by Kremer930 View Post

Awesome news Jason.  Thanks for continuing to keep us all updated.  I am sure that you will be much more relaxed and comfortable once all of these third party supplier issues are all behind you.  

 

I am almost happy that the Statement gear may be pushed back slightly.  Gives me more time to save for it and enjoy my Lyr/Bifrost combo before getting distracted my wallet gets mercilessly raped again.

 

Fixed.

post #1114 of 3320

Ha ha ha ha.  Got it in one Sridhar3.  :-)

 

After RMAF I would say that there is likely to be a spike in such activities.  Before I was only going to be poor because of Schiit and their statement offering.  Now Audeze is trying to lure my wallet out of hiding too with the LCD3.  What chance does my wallet have!!

post #1115 of 3320

I am really curious to see how this DAC compares to the new EE MiniMax Plus. Hope to hear some feedback on that soon...

 

post #1116 of 3320

Temple has anyone posted a comparison of the MM and MM-plus? I stopped monitoring that thread...

post #1117 of 3320

I have not seen one yet. I was monitoring the thread on AC and did not see any mention yet. So hard to make a decision with all the options out there. My other thought was to pick up an Off-Ramp 4 and use a the Bifrost with it. Might make a good combo. I have read nothing but good things on the Off-Ramp 4.

post #1118 of 3320
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Originally Posted by leesure View Post

Your profile lists "Schiit Bifrost (gone)"

 

You dumped it already??

 



Ok to answer several questions first. 

 

1) My LED is not really blue. It's exactly the same as the led you find in Lyr, Asgard and I assume Valhalla as well. 

 

2) I did dump it already :) My decision for selling was made even before getting the unit. The delay in shipping made it necessary to make some changes in my budget and financially I am not supposed to have it. So I had it for two days and people may say that it is not enough time to evaluate any product and I partially agree with that statement. However, here are a few words about Bifrost although I am not able to write reviews like some of the reviewers here. 

 

I got the non-USB version to use it with my DVD player's coaxial out and my macbook Pro's optical out. Unfortunately I had sold my coaxial cable along with my previous DAC, Stello DA100 so I didn't get to use Bifrost with my computer but only with my DVD player. 

 

I basically compared it with my main DAC which is HRT Music Streamer II. 

 

Sony DVD Player + Bifrost + Lyr + Hifiman HE-5 / AKG K701 

 

MacBook Pro + HRT Music Streamer II + Lyr + Hifiman HE-5 / AKG K701 

 

I used various albums by Joshua Harris on CD with my DVD player and played the exact same songs ripped ALAC on my laptop via HRT Music Streamer. 

 

Other music were various albums from the Box Set of Chopin and Telemann and Audioslave, and Norah Jones' Come Away With Me 

 

I really liked the sound that was coming out of the first set up with Bifrost with classical music and Joshua Harris. However in some of the passages with drums and cello in Harris' albums, I preferred the presentation of Music Streamer better. Bifrost has a very very clean sound and the instrument separation and soundstage were strong straits of it. First, I thought that was due to my K701s but I had the same results when I switched to HE-5 which don't have a huge soundstage. What I don't mean is that Bifrost is creating a false sense of soundstage and it is not to a point where you can say that it's unrealistic. I've found Bifrost to be very true to the recording. I can't say that it is warm but it is not cold either but leaning towards that side a bit. 

 

When I used my Hifiman HE-5 for all of the songs above, I found that when the passages get complex and there's too much guitar distortion, Bifrost was the clear winner in presenting the music clearer and the instruments being heard more precisely. 

 

Yet, when I listened to all of the songs over and over again with those two set ups, I could say that Music Streamer is not inferior to Bifrost. It hasn't made me miss my wonderful Stello DA100 and in the end I couldn't justify the price difference between two products. I think for what it performs Bifrost is a great steal and the customer service Jason and his team provides is just awesome and I'll always have Schiit amps but on this one, I can be quite content with Music Streamer and not lose a whole lot by not owning the Bifrost. And judging by the comparison, I am curious as what Music Streamer II+ can do compared to Bifrost. 

 

To sum up, with its price tag, synergy with my system, portability I decided to keep the Music Streamer and let Bifrost go. That DOES NOT mean I didn't like Bifrost but it didn't impress me too much either. Since then I sold both my K701 and Bifrost and it is funny how I keep ending up with the same rig (HRT + Lyr + HE-5) although I buy and sell a lot of stuff  :)

post #1119 of 3320

Jason,

 

Now that hyou will begin shipping the USB units, do you have a feel for how long it will take to clear the backorders on those?

post #1120 of 3320

I knew awhile ago no review units went out that wasn't my point..where are the head-fi folks who have these units and have been playing them for a few days. They are the folks I wonder about the people that buy them and live with them.

Schiit makes excellent gear and probably will long after I'm gone. I wasn't being suspicious of them at all or thinking anything other than-"Where's the head-fi'ers" Come on Head-fi folks who have these in house and playing them-"what do they sound like????? Help us FOLKS out that are waiting, throw us a bone, something to give us an idea of what we are in for!!!!

atsmile.gifHead-fi brothers take off the cans and write a line or two here for us-waiters!!!! I'm too old for this Schiit!!!!!!atsmile.gif

 

post #1121 of 3320

@Yuceka, I'm happy to hear 'initial impressions' after two days, but I dont believe you can definitively nail the sound signature of a component in such a short timeframe. I've owned two CA speaker amps that I would have returned after day two on the basis of my impressions at that time, but in the end the gear and my ears came to an understanding and I was happy I didn't. People can talk about 'flat frequency curves' and 'neutrality' till the cows come home, but those amps sounded way too bright to my ears initially. 

 

Whatever physical burn-in theory you accept (or dont accept) with solid-state gear, there remains an adjustment period IMO, and its longer than 2 days. I am a big fan of the MSII, and fwir the MSII+ is very good vfm, but in this case I cant put much stock in 2 days worth of impressions. 

post #1122 of 3320

Yeah I guess I should've kept quiet and not said anything 

post #1123 of 3320
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Originally Posted by eclein View Post

I knew awhile ago no review units went out that wasn't my point..where are the head-fi folks who have these units and have been playing them for a few days. They are the folks I wonder about the people that buy them and live with them.

Schiit makes excellent gear and probably will long after I'm gone. I wasn't being suspicious of them at all or thinking anything other than-"Where's the head-fi'ers" Come on Head-fi folks who have these in house and playing them-"what do they sound like????? Help us FOLKS out that are waiting, throw us a bone, something to give us an idea of what we are in for!!!!

atsmile.gifHead-fi brothers take off the cans and write a line or two here for us-waiters!!!! I'm too old for this Schiit!!!!!!atsmile.gif

 



There have been a few first impressions of the Bifrost scattered throughout the thread, albiet not that many. 

post #1124 of 3320
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Originally Posted by blankdisc View Post

I think that it is only fair that I form any kind of opinion after i actually have Bifrost at hand and listen to it for couple days. My beloved NFB-3 deserves that. :-)

That being said. I did hear some details and a bigger sound stage which i didn't remember hearing from my NFB-3. I used the same headphone (HE-500) and amp (Lyr) at the show, so it could only be the DAC.

i ordered a non-USB version, so should have it soon. will report back. :-)



I myself might order the Bifrost to compare with my  NFB-3. Not available locally yet though, so I'll wait :D

post #1125 of 3320

On the contrary. Useful information in your review - for example it's doubtful burn-in would change aspects such as clean sound, separation and soundstage for the worse!

 

estreeter has a point and made it well, but you made the right decision for you. Glad you posted. Thanks!

 

Edit: in reply to Yuceka of course


Edited by AiDee - 10/21/11 at 5:40pm
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