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post #91 of 135

My Lyr will be delivered tomorrow. I am exciting to hear the Lyr makes my K702 sing. I will be using the Audio Engine D1 as a USC DAC untill I can get a hold on the Bifrost DAC. I like to keep my gear in the same family tree. Schiit, It is.

post #92 of 135

I received the Lyr this morning. It came in with the small white shipping package. Having seen quite a few pictures in the for sales section, I did not expect much how this unit looks. Upon, pulling the small unit out of the plastic bag, it's not only nice looking but to me , the Lyr is gorgeous looking and it blends right in with my IMac on the shelve on top. I am impressed with the casing design with no thrills buttons on the facade and the power on/off toggle is hidden at the back panel, that's nice.

 

 

After leaving the Lyr on for twenty minutes or so, I started digging out some old Diana Krall's CDs. The first CD is the Love Scenes, the Lyr produces some smooth and a bit tapered vocal but on my third CD which is the " Live is Paris". The track " I've got you under mys skin" really make the Lyr shines. Instrumental separation is damned good that I can close my eyes and let the music drown me. Yet, also the silky voice is produced near perfect.

 

I did not try the Lyr with my K702 just being precaution due to some reviews , so I grab my much less expensive Fostex T50Rp MK II (?) but even so, I am very happy with my Lyr.

 

Now, if I can get a hold on some Kimber Silver Streak at a good deal, I am a very happy camper. One adjective comes to my mind for the Lyr is " ORGANIC".  Job well done, Schiit Audio. I should I say " good Schiit".  

 

 

post #93 of 135

Just got my first "real" amp today, the Schiit Lyr. Wow! 

 

I was seriously very skeptical about amps making a big difference but I was wrong. 

 

Instrument separation is on a new level now and low notes don't actually all sound the same anymore. 

 

 

post #94 of 135

Hi there, I am glad that you also enjoy your Lyr. What's your choice of tubes? While I am very pleased with my Pionner Elite A35R headphone output, I am entertaining  the idea of buying the Asgard.

 

The only thing hold me back is the " too smooth" ( I call it polite sound) character of the Asgard as some of the reviews stated. I do not know if  the Asgard is too polite or boring but I really like to have a SS amp and a Tube amp even the Lyr is a hybrid amp.

 

Happy listening.

post #95 of 135

I got it with the 6N1P's and E88CC. I've only tried the 6N1P's so far. What about you? 

 

I only have my Fiio E10 as a DAC so I'm looking at buying a better one. But with those INSANE import taxes and shipping to Europe I pay way too much. $150 to import the Lyr to Europe. confused_face(1).gif

 

Wait, did I miss something? You wanna buy the Asgard? Why? 

 

:) 

post #96 of 135
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Originally Posted by ACDOAN View Post

I received the Lyr this morning. It came in with the small white shipping package. Having seen quite a few pictures in the for sales section, I did not expect much how this unit looks. Upon, pulling the small unit out of the plastic bag, it's not only nice looking but to me , the Lyr is gorgeous looking and it blends right in with my IMac on the shelve on top. I am impressed with the casing design with no thrills buttons on the facade and the power on/off toggle is hidden at the back panel, that's nice.

 

 

After leaving the Lyr on for twenty minutes or so, I started digging out some old Diana Krall's CDs. The first CD is the Love Scenes, the Lyr produces some smooth and a bit tapered vocal but on my third CD which is the " Live is Paris". The track " I've got you under mys skin" really make the Lyr shines. Instrumental separation is damned good that I can close my eyes and let the music drown me. Yet, also the silky voice is produced near perfect.

 

I did not try the Lyr with my K702 just being precaution due to some reviews , so I grab my much less expensive Fostex T50Rp MK II (?) but even so, I am very happy with my Lyr.

 

Now, if I can get a hold on some Kimber Silver Streak at a good deal, I am a very happy camper. One adjective comes to my mind for the Lyr is " ORGANIC".  Job well done, Schiit Audio. I should I say " good Schiit".  

 

 


I thought you might like it.   RE the Headroom thread...my Micro looks pretty silly anywhere near the Lyr...though it still looks industrial audiophile-chic.  And if you think Lyr looks nice alone....it's lovely atop Bifrost! 

 

It's an amazing amp.   I've said I've had my HD650's for over 5 years, but I never before heard them until I got the Lyr.  I had no idea what capability has been sitting atop my head for years, and all the urges I had to upgrade them were actually problems with my signal chain, not my headphones! I'd heard of their scalability to high end gear, but I never realized just how high that scalability meant.

 

What reviews have you cautious about K702?  I've heard great things about Lyr + K701 (same resistance as 702.)  It surprises me.  Looking at impedance so low I'd have been terrified to plug them in considering I rarely take my HD650 over just above 9 o'clock on the pot at 300ohm.  But I've seen plenty of AKG fans loving Lyr with it, with the volume pot roughly where I keep it for HD650.  I don't profess to understand why...but it sounds like it works well for some folks.

 

Regarding cables: Unless you're a cableholic, save the money buy a Bifrost.  It'll make a far larger difference than any silly old cable.  If after you have the DAC and amp and still want some bling or are convinced of cable differences, then you can blow some cash on silvered cabling ksc75smile.gif   I have my Bifrost connected to Lyr via Audioquest Y cables and angle adapters.  It looks slick with all that brass & gold back there, but I've since got a BlueJeans digital cable from my I-20 to Bifrost and decided I may rewire the analog connections with BJC & their right angle connectors as well.  The nickel plugs look better than the gold/brass with Lyr, and the cable maze in the back needs a cleanup (The Y cables were to plug my lesser earphones and my IEMs into Bifrost...the ones that Lyr would overdrive.)

post #97 of 135

Thank you for the encouragement to stimulate the economy by entertaining the idea of buying the Bifrost.LOL! .

 

So Bifrost it is when i get my tax return next week. I like to keep thing in the same family. On the K702/701, there is some old video about the deformation of the mylar contruction but to my understanding, this is issue has been fix by Schiit ( adding a relay switch).

It just likes reading too much into the side effects of the prescription drug , one get scare and get paranoid it may happen to me and one may refuse to take the med. Silly but negative information does play an effect in one's head.

 

post #98 of 135
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Originally Posted by ACDOAN View Post

Thank you for the encouragement to stimulate the economy by entertaining the idea of buying the Bifrost.LOL! .

 

So Bifrost it is when i get my tax return next week. I like to keep thing in the same family. On the K702/701, there is some old video about the deformation of the mylar contruction but to my understanding, this is issue has been fix by Schiit ( adding a relay switch).

It just likes reading too much into the side effects of the prescription drug , one get scare and get paranoid it may happen to me and one may refuse to take the med. Silly but negative information does play an effect in one's head.

 


 

My pleasure.   I, myself, was planning on getting Bifrost maybe in 6 months or so after Lyr.   After hearing what an impact Lyr made, I emailed Jason the next day and said "take my money!" and ordered Bifrost :)   At least with HD650, Lyr made the more obvious and immediate difference than Bifrost.  I get so impressed with Lyr I tend to neglect that the Bifrost is there.  The difference it makes is just as significant but in a more subtle way.   The glitter of an amp distracts one from the fact that the DACs job is to be invisible.  If you don't notice its there, that means its working.  If someone were to remove the Bifrost from my mix, I would be immediately aware and devastated.  Parts of tracks that were still congested or produced a "wall of sound" after Lyr immediately resolved with the Bifrost.  The soundstage opened, and I found myself listening for longer and longer periods of time without noticing...unable to peel myself away.  It became less fatiguing (with HD650, K702 would be a little more fatiguing.) Also, before Bifrost I didn't notice a significant difference between warm and hot tubes.  After Bifrost the difference became extreme.  The old DAC was resolving only as well as mildly warm tubes.  You won't have the same overwhelming shock as you have with Lyr when you add Bifrost.  But sometimes you'll hit a track you know like the back of your hand and won't realize all the detail that was there that you missed.   I found a few CDs I stopped listening to years ago because I believed them to be poorly mastered.  I listened a few times with just Lyr and that seemed to confirm they were poorly mastered.  I tried them again with Bifrost and realizing they're actually excellently mastered....they're just very good at confusing a lesser DAC into muddying them. This is especially true with very complicated layered tones like electronic, orchestral, big band, rock, etc.

 

If I remember correctly (I as just an H-F lurker at the time) the whole AKG deformation thing involved Asgard, never Lyr.  The gist was, (I think Jason has a post somewhere around here on the matter) the Asgard in its original form was running bare with no relay mute as does most multi-kilobuck hardware that they were used to working on.   There's a "sequence of power-on" that is known in that realm that is uncommon knowledge to us less-grandiose audiophiles.  People were powering the Asgard on and off with the headphones plugged in, and the jolt was deforming the lower impedence cans.  Lyr always had a relay mute from the beginning due to its ultra high power status so it was never an issue there.  Asgard & Valhalla also have the mute now as a result of Schiit learning that users at this price point aren't familiar with the "proper order of operations" and I believe they offered to retrofit the original Asgards if you sent them in.

 

Sadly, relays are a point of potential failure (mechanical moving parts), so adding the safety feature probably shortens the MTBF...  But for Lyr that was always part of the design....it'd probably fry anything but orthos without one if you plug in at the wrong time.

 

Despite it not being an issue for Lyr, I begged Jason to give me the proper order of poweron anyway....just to get into the habit so if I upgrade to "statement gear" if I win the lottery or something, it won't be a risk,  or just in case the relay ends up stuck open, etc. It's a precaution to save the cans.  So I always power on, wait for the relay to click, then plug the headphones in, and I always unplug the cans before powering the amp off.  It doesn't actually matter with the relay, but it's good habit to get into, and in the event of a stuck-open relay it could still someday save my cans.

 

Obviously if you crank the volume way up, you're still in deformation territory....but I think your eardrums would be impaired well before the cones would warp basshead.gif

post #99 of 135

You know what, I may sound like a  "fan boy" but it would be cool if Schiit Audio can come up with a nice transport ( or CDP) then I have a whole Schiit set up.

 

Schiit amp, Schiit Dac, Schiit transport....that's a lot of good Schiit.

post #100 of 135

Hello, I think I am ready for a new amp, I was using a E9 but I want  a step up. I have the q701's and dt 990's(600). I will be using it for mainly videogames and listening through a cd player. I will eventually use a better source and I am also fairly new to headphones gear. Wil this amp improve the sound quality or just stick with the E9?

post #101 of 135

I have the E7/E9 combo and also the E10 and the Audioengine D1. They are being using as USB/DAC/AMP for my IMac, laptops. Frankly, I cannot notice that much difference among the three systems. My reasoning is I use them for Internet music from Pandora premium to Spotify premium where the recording is reproduced in compressed format.

 

With the Schiit Lyr amp, my source is the Rega Apollo which I believe it is a pretty decent unit not quite the Meridian CDP caliber but the Rega CDP is pretty decent enough in red book playback. I can hear something that is there but I did not heard them without the Lyr. Also, the separation of the instruments are much much precise.

 

To make it short, if you have a decent source, decent cabling , I believe you may hear the tonal difference between the E9 and the Asgard but not necessary a day and night improvement.  If your upstream hardware is a weak link, I doubt you can hear any major improvement.

 

The E9 from its price point is a good value and with the E7 as a DAC, I will be happy to keep them for a long time as USB/DAC/AMP for my IMac and my laptop applications. YMMV.

 

 

PS: Since you already have the K701, the Lyr may be a perfect solution for your need if you are willing to move from SS to tubes hybrid . The Lyr will drive the Schiit out of your K701.

 

 

 


Edited by ACDOAN - 2/17/12 at 7:22pm
post #102 of 135

Hello everyone.  I just received my Lyr and let me say its very well constructed and heavy for its size.  A very good thing to see its build like a tank.  That aside is this amp solely built for low impedance phones like LCD-2?  I mean it sounds harsh and pretty bad with my HD650 and Beyer DT-990 600ohm.  But with the LCD-2.2 its great.  I havent roll the tubes yet cause they still in mail but once i do they are Valvo E88CC Red Label. 

post #103 of 135

Harsh? I don't feel like it sounds harsh at all with my HD650's. Which tubes do you have at the moment? 

post #104 of 135

I have some GE that came with the Lyr pop it on and cant see from the outside.  I left it on for a 5 hour warm up before using HD650 and LCD2.  I come from a Bottlehead Crack and mainly use my HD650 and Beyer 990.  The 650 sounds magical with the Crack but not so much with the Lyr.  Thats why I believe its better match with lower impedance cans than higher ones. 

post #105 of 135

Just found out the tubes are the stock GE 6BZ7. 

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